Wasn’t it Jose who bought him?
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Wasn’t it Jose who bought him?
Yes. In the summer of 2012.
All speculation and crap, you know nothing about his mentality - and you wouldn’t say these things earlier in the season when he was putting in the numbers. Footballers have lots of time to rest at home with their phones in their hand. Look at every footballer and their gastly tattoos - these guys care about their looks just like other kids in their 20’s. Looking at the average player, one would assume they had all spent five years in prison with all that ink.
Give him another season, replace the managers, build a team around him, buy DM to let him play free role, and so on and so on.
Really ? Pogba is ain't a CR7, Messi, or Neymar level. And from what I have seen during this almost 2 seasons, he is no more special than KdB, Hazard, or even Coutinho. He is not worth that much to become the centerpiece of Man. United.
He has no desire to elevate his game, has no spirit to lift up the team. Even in the most important game against Sevilla, when he needed to prove a point to his coach, he did a shite. Times and times in the important games, he mostly did below expectation Millions of eyes saw that.
Sometimes, when it does not work, it does not work. Remembered Veron transfer ?
I give him a season, but for me, he needs to adapt and adjust everything, in and off field. Other wise, we should unload him and remembering the transfer as the biggest robbery happened for United.
Really ? Pogba is ain't a CR7, Messi, or Neymar level. And from what I have seen during this almost 2 seasons, he is no more special than KdB, Hazard, or even Coutinho. He is not worth that much to become the centerpiece of Man. United.
He has no desire to elevate his game, has no spirit to lift up the team. Even in the most important game against Sevilla, when he needed to prove a point to his coach, he did a shite. Times and times in the important games, he mostly did below expectation Millions of eyes saw that.
Sometimes, when it does not work, it does not work. Remembered Veron transfer ?
I give him a season, but for me, he needs to adapt and adjust everything, in and off field. Other wise, we should unload him and remembering the transfer as the biggest robbery happened for United.
No one can match Pogba's heading ability, shooting from long range + extraordinary vision in passing and dribbling skills all at once.
Not even him that's for sure
200m after a rather average season He's had? Marco Verratti? Toni Kroos?
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Would those "star" players wanna play under Mourinho ?
Madrid just tried to sell us Morata for 80mil and people think they'll let us have their first team options at friendly prices.
How many has he actually scored for us from outside the box? Swansea, West Ham n Ajax(deflected) last season and one goal this season. Is that good enough to be considered a threat from long distance?
Paul Scholes arguably not that good defensively, yet he gave full effort into helping his midfield partner whether it's Carrick, Roy Keane or Fletcher whoever. No one expects him to be that good at defending, yet the effort helps, just by having that extra body at the back is enough to limit the spaces for opponents to exploit.
That's the bare minimum needed from Pogba. No need to be spectacular, just put your shift into it to ease the life of teammates, and they will do the rest. Actually he have done it many times already. Just this year he's very inconsistent so far, mixed performances in doing that one defensive responsibility.
That's the bare minimum needed from Pogba. No need to be spectacular, just put your shift into it to ease the life of teammates, and they will do the rest. Actually he have done it many times already. Just this year he's very inconsistent so far, mixed performances in doing that one defensive responsibility.
Indeed. As for his unmatched "heading ability" how many headers has he scored in the last two seasons?
His heading ability leaves an awful lot to be desired. This was emphasized in the Chelsea game when fecking Moses outjumped Pogba for a high ball on the edge of Chelsea's box, which Chelsea countered from and scored. IMO his shooting from range is poor too, I expected a lot more from him in that regard.
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If we sell Pogba than this club is at an alltime low in terms of sportieve management.
I guarantee wherever he goes he will become one of the world's best and most exciting midfield players. Will be one of those where we are left with egg on our face and in case of Pogba it will have been the second time.
We simply will not find any player out there as a replacement who comes close to Pogba's potential. If Mourinho can't get the best out of him then you replace Mourinho, not Pogba.
I guarantee wherever he goes he will become one of the world's best and most exciting midfield players. Will be one of those where we are left with egg on our face and in case of Pogba it will have been the second time.
We simply will not find any player out there as a replacement who comes close to Pogba's potential. If Mourinho can't get the best out of him then you replace Mourinho, not Pogba.
His heading ability leaves an awful lot to be desired. This was emphasized in the Chelsea game when fecking Moses outjumped Pogba for a high ball on the edge of Chelsea's box, which Chelsea countered from and scored. IMO his shooting from range is poor too, I expected a lot more from him in that regard.
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Liverpool last season too. He gave away a penalty because he launched his head towards the ball with his eyes closed and it hit his hand.
For a man his size and his athleticism, he should be unstoppable in the air. He's got an outrageous leap, but can't do much with it.
Liverpool last season too. He gave away a penalty because he launched his head towards the ball with his eyes closed and it hit his hand.
For a man his size and his athleticism, he should be unstoppable in the air. He's got an outrageous leap, but can't do much with it.
I forgot about that one
Agreed, he's a huge guy with a good leap and very strong, logic dictates he should be a colossus in the air.
I don't want us to sell Pogba however while he could go elsewhere and excel he's clearly a player that needs the right circumstances to do so i.e. a team to be built around him
We could easily be equally successful without him though depending on personnel brought in to replace him
Ok mate. Juve sold him and its business as usual for them, moved swiftly along, strong as ever. I do rate him but his next team will have the exact same issues as us and France. He needs very select conditions (position, responsibilty) etc to be at his best and not every side can accommodate that without disrupting the current set up.
Again,I do rate the lad, but we have seen better midfielders at United. That said, Jose should have known what he was getting and prepared better.
Jose clearly felt at 22/23 he was buying a player who could adapt to what he wanted, either Pogba's incapable of adapting his game or he hasn't been coached well enough to do so. I suspect the truth lies somewhere between the two
Do you think that Mourinho had a plan to use Pogba as a cog in a well oiled machine or rather as the main man of his Man United ? I'm asking this because Pogba (from a P.R aspect anyway) was presented and displayed as this shiny toy (not even sure Mourinho is that fond of it) who would be our best and most important player. He's even given the armband in some matches but with time, he realized, just like we all did that the pressure was just too much for Paul to be that player.
I'm not even sure Mourinho has ever had to bring in a player with as much marketing as him.
I 100% believe (maybe naively) that Jose wanted him to be the main man, Pogba's just failed to adapt to play the role Jose wants him to which has obviously lead us to the position that we either adapt our game to suit him or cut our losses and move him on
Or that Pogba accepts his new "normal" role and becomes a player can trust ?
I fear if he hasn't adapted by now it's beyond him
I feel exactly the same. Something will have to give in the long term. I just think (hope) that Pogba being marginalized a little for the national team can also play as a wake up call because at some point, he has to grow up and mature as a player.
In his transfer thread I called him a luxury player and if I was Mourinho I would treat him that way, you put him in a position to individually succeed but you don't count on him to be part of the engine. In a way, he reminds me Djorkaeff, he has all the talent of the world but he is just not essential to your success.
It'll be a damn shame if it goes down that route. It would be one of the biggest waste of footballing talent ever
Yeah he's capable of doing some really difficult things well but the ability to do what looks like simple things consistently and brilliantly is what makes players world class. Having the mindset and intelligence of knowing when to do what. Pogba is a highlights player and everything in his career til now suggests he doesn't have the intelligence to make the step up or be a top midfielder.
Look at scholes. He constantly drifted around Always finding space to receive passes and always knew where to pass to, even if it wasn't always difficult long range passes. He just knew how to control games. Pogba doesn't have these qualities. Anyone can play simple passes, but the intelligence of players like scholes, xavi, iniesta, Kroos, Thiago, modric, etc can't just be trained. You either have it or you dont, and pogba does not. Don't give a feck if he can score a volley from 30 yards out once every 50 attempts, or if he can dribble past players in the middle of the pitch (often pointlessly and slowing things down instead of passing it on quickly).
What else can Mourinho do? He refuses to play simply and in rhythm, we all know that it's not a matter of vision or technical abilities because he has both. Like you said he needs to mature and until then you can't trust him but he is still valuable, he creates chances for fun.
Pogba might be going through a tough spell right now but I expect him to come good soon. He has been off form for just a month or so. He has nine assists and three goals in the league which is not bad at all. I also think the 'feud' between Jose and Pogba is all made up by the press. If Pogba plays well in the next few matches, everyone will forget about the whole thing.
Who should we buy to free the King upfront so he can do what he wants in attack?
Maybe sanchez was meant to free pogba so he has more space to roam, create and score?
Maybe sanchez was meant to free pogba so he has more space to roam, create and score?
I'm sure we gonna sell two of our best players for an Instagram Superstar like Pogba! More seriously I just watched a french show about him it's called the 'Pogserie' on Canal+ a french channel, they follow Pogba before the world cup with France and I can say than I have never seen someone more narcissist than him.
He call his house the 'poghouse' the ball, the 'p.p ball', he has a room where he has tons of logo with P.P all over the room, the guy think he is Floyd Mayweather but he has not proven shit at a high level and he is 25. Even if Manchester give us Pogba for free I would say no thanks.
Pog was one of the best midfielders in the world during his Juve times, while at Utd he is not even the team's best center mid. Last season it was Ander, this it is Matic. The question is whether Paul is being used wrongly by Mou or if it is Pogba's unwillingness to adapt. However, the main question is why on Earth have Mou bought him if he can't get the best out of him. The truth is probably that both Mou and Paul should share the blame.
Sell Paul to Barcelona for a hundred while we still can. Eventually the players have to lose the power in the locker room or we'll end up like Chelski and PSG.
Some of that stuff is quite disturbing.
It’s nearly April and you are happy with 3 goals from your world record £90m superstar?
How many times did Zidane score more than 10 league goals in a season?
I did too
, did you watch the interview with Griezmann where they sort of both asked french medias to not criticize them during the tournament and just support them. As much as I hate the french media, this has gotta be a joke, how the hell can they expect support from journos whose a big part of their job is to analyze (criticize) their performances.When I compare this weak lot with the ones that won trophies (1984, 1998 and 2000), I mean they couldn't be further apart in terms of mental strength. Our current best players are pussies and snowflakes.
They're so self centered but at the same time they don't wanna be criticized, they don't wanna be talked to. They just wanna be left in their bubbles and anyone who dares telling them anything is a "hater". Their entourage doesn't help either.
Between 3 and 10 there is a bit of a gulf and besides it's Zidane, blasphemy to put him in the same sentence as Pobga
I don't think so, Sanchez was brought probably and partly because Pogba wasn't the superstar the team needed him to be.
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Not sure I totally agree with you, in fact Scholes is in many ways a player I would compare Pogba with. Even if they were in some ways opposite (Scholes industrious and quick of mind, Pogba strong and faster), their funcionality was not unlike.
Scholes could also misplace the easiest passes inexplicably (particularly when he was younger), whereas he would ping evry 50-pass straight, and stay close to the 90% completion mark even if he played the most passes in tight spaces in the team. This is true for Pogba as well (barring the last few games).
Both where vulnerable but useful defensively, if for different reasons. And both were very good at getting play out from the back - Pogba through strength and ball controll, Scoles through one-twos and movement.
Scholes at 25 obviously had more goals in him, but where less adept defensively. Still I remember a bit of the same conundrum as Ferguson decided wether to play him up top, in the whole or in a midfield two or three (with Veron).
I still think their mental and physical capacities are the biggest differences, which will hinder Pogba in ever becoming the brilliant CM that Scholes developed into, whereas with maturing, he’ll be able to become a creative beast higher up in the field than Scholes would thrive thanks to his physicality.
It'd be nice if he did score a few more, but he's not here for that. I keep seeing Liverpool fans chirp up about Firmino scoring more not looking or something, obviously totally ignoring that Firmino is a striker and that 'trick' is fecking lame.
Pogba has stuff to work on, but his goal count isn't one of them.
I'm happy with 14 assists in 27 games.
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