The videos he posts to his instagram(saw a tweet) are so cringey. I know it's his birthday and he's entitled to have fun but the guy seems incredibly immature for his age.
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Simply doesn't have the mentality to become one of the greats, talent is there but not much else.
He's only 25 to be fair. Plenty of 25 year olds can be just as immature as him.
I also don't expect the average top-level footballer to be as mature as most of their age-group either given the sheltered life they tend to enjoy.
I also don't expect the average top-level footballer to be as mature as most of their age-group either given the sheltered life they tend to enjoy.
I’ve seen fair share of Juventus matches when he was there, and I’ve always thought that he has his “moments”, but he doesn’t really do much throughout the game.
At Juventus, there was Pirlo (Marchisio on occasion) controlling the game, but when Pogba played in Pirlo’s spot, the team stopped functioning. Nobody’s running, slow buildups...it just didn’t work out.
Like the match against Bayern before he left. He scored 2 goals yes, but apart from those 2 goals he scored, he was nowhere to be seen. Sure, there was Hernanes who was badicslly “Where’s Waldo” whenever he played, so there were two ineffective plsyers in the midfield...but everything worked out at Juventud for him because there were 9 guys on the field around him was playing according to the tactics & match plans while Pogba plugs himself into the equation from time to time.
He was playing LWB from time to time and worked out just fine, because everybody else at the time like Pirlo, Marchisio, Vidal, Lichtsteiner, Vucinic, or Tevez, and etc. were constantly running around playing accordingly to the tactics.
I really think he should be allowed just do whatever he wants while the rest of players are running around connecting passes being very organized, and not take a central role.
When I first mentioned that here, oh how the the bashing started.
At Juventus, there was Pirlo (Marchisio on occasion) controlling the game, but when Pogba played in Pirlo’s spot, the team stopped functioning. Nobody’s running, slow buildups...it just didn’t work out.
Like the match against Bayern before he left. He scored 2 goals yes, but apart from those 2 goals he scored, he was nowhere to be seen. Sure, there was Hernanes who was badicslly “Where’s Waldo” whenever he played, so there were two ineffective plsyers in the midfield...but everything worked out at Juventud for him because there were 9 guys on the field around him was playing according to the tactics & match plans while Pogba plugs himself into the equation from time to time.
He was playing LWB from time to time and worked out just fine, because everybody else at the time like Pirlo, Marchisio, Vidal, Lichtsteiner, Vucinic, or Tevez, and etc. were constantly running around playing accordingly to the tactics.
I really think he should be allowed just do whatever he wants while the rest of players are running around connecting passes being very organized, and not take a central role.
When I first mentioned that here, oh how the the bashing started.
That was my impression also. He had brilliant moments but was pretty inconsistent. Pretty much a highlight player.
When we were buying him we definitely didn't buy the finished product, but his potential, especially as the idea was to give him the key to our midfield. 2 years on, the problem is that he looks like a worse player than the one we bought.
You guys are overreacting as always. Trust me, go watch players like Veratti(more in big games) and Dybala, when they disappear from a game, you'll notice. The fact hes our player, hes put under a microscope. He was brought again against sevilla and played so deep. Thats not his position, look at vs Chelsea, he was up there shifting the ball.
Why our manager put players (martial) on the right against there fav position is baffling.
I hate having to predict our line ups. We should have a guaranteed starting 11 unless injuries happen otherwise. If Martial started on the left, pogba in place of fellani, mata instead of lingard. We would have won. Dont blame players for such a sh*t choice of a selection by the manager. Its completely his fault. He thinks he can out trick the opposing manager by shifting his tactics, but really he played himself
Why our manager put players (martial) on the right against there fav position is baffling.
I hate having to predict our line ups. We should have a guaranteed starting 11 unless injuries happen otherwise. If Martial started on the left, pogba in place of fellani, mata instead of lingard. We would have won. Dont blame players for such a sh*t choice of a selection by the manager. Its completely his fault. He thinks he can out trick the opposing manager by shifting his tactics, but really he played himself
Was he really played deep though? He replaced Fellaini when he came on who had been operating in an advanced role. He was sent on to help us win the game, not contain the opposition. Certainly when we conceded the first goal all bets were off and we needed to score twice. At that point it was his role to drive the team forward and create something.
The real problem I have with these constant complaints is you don’t see him sitting in front of the back four just doing a job. If people were complaining about Pogba not creating anything and the defence was he can’t because he’s being asked to stay deep then I’d have sympathy. This clearly wasn’t happening, however, and never has happened.
If people were blaming him because he kept charging forward, scoring goals and making assists, but we were conceding due to him leaving gaps I’d have sympathy.
The fact is he’s been strolling around in no-man’s land for a while now, doing neither one thing nor the other.
I genuinely believe folk on here want to be part of the crowd and just repeat what other people are saying, without actually watching what’s going on. He can’t play in a two. He’s being shoehorned in. It’s the tactics: Bollocks!
The guy has been rubbish in every area of the pitch for ages now. Please cut the pish.
It's the big question. I think if there was a truly outstanding candidate in the premier league, the club would be moving. Obviously everyone points to Pocc and it makes sense, but not sure he'd want it. I just don't watch enough European football to speak to the other alternatives, but much as Chelsea gave a chance to a young, inexperienced manager with novel ideas and huge ambition - United may need to as well. Safe options don't seem to be the way to go anymore.
Very managers have remained relevant after a decade.
Whos fault is that? Why is Sanchez playing poorly? Admit it, Our style of play is suited around passing as individuals. We have no chemistry, as a unit everyone is all over the place. Only team that hoofs from the back instead of playing it with confidence. I'll blame him when everyone is playing good and he is not. In the meantime, the issue is much bigger, no point saying sell and get player x to replace him and give it a go.
If you are talking about the 4-2 game at Allianz he scored one goal, and he played an absolute blinder and almost single-handedly dragged Juventus past Bayern.
He was very good in the home leg as well:
That's the type of player he can be. And should be. But by all means, continue with the revisionism.
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Oh right. I got the goal part mixed up. Yeah...but like I said, he wasn’t the playmaker of the team. Everybody else ran bad outta hell at Juventus, but he slowed everything down when he was calling the plays. He tried some fancy moves like roulette and tripoed on the ball and fell frequently. He ran into other players and received cards when he was defending. He can be the player from the HIGHLIGHTS, but once again...he really doesn’t contribute to the team. He shows up from time to time when everybody else’s doing what they’re supposed to be doing as a team.
Did you really watch him playing for Juventus? Legit question.
He played for Juventus one of the clubs where expectations are the highest, he played with some very experienced; very decorated veterans and he was playing in Italy the most tactically obsessed nation there is and a lot of people here think Pogba was just strolling through games during his 4 seasons there.
I think at this stage, they both, maybe more so mourinho, need to drop the egos. Mourinho is punishing Pogba for arguing with him on the touch line and I think he just needs to forget it now and move on. Pogba will have gotten the message.
It's clear that pogbas best position is on the left of a midfield 3, so mourinho should play him there and let him build his confidence from there.
Then maybe with experience he can become more of a deep playmaker.
Sanchez coming in and obviously not wanting to play right wing has messed up the balance. It's crazy really from a management perspective, to think that Sanchez not playing on the right was planned for, or not?
We still need a RW but apparently now aren't buying any more forwards so in all, were in a much worse situation than before Sanchez.
Anyway, I hope Pogba can get to playing consistently well for us.
It's clear that pogbas best position is on the left of a midfield 3, so mourinho should play him there and let him build his confidence from there.
Then maybe with experience he can become more of a deep playmaker.
Sanchez coming in and obviously not wanting to play right wing has messed up the balance. It's crazy really from a management perspective, to think that Sanchez not playing on the right was planned for, or not?
We still need a RW but apparently now aren't buying any more forwards so in all, were in a much worse situation than before Sanchez.
Anyway, I hope Pogba can get to playing consistently well for us.
He's our Ozil. Technically gifted and makes it look effortless at times but he is a complete liability off the ball, an inconsistent performer, and goes missing in big games. He has all the tools to be a generational midfielder but for whatever reason the application is lacking. When we lose the ball all our players transition quickly into a defensive shape and then you'll see Pogba casually strolling back at his own leisure. I can't remember the last time I see him make a tackle or challenge for the aerial balls. He has shown 0 intensity recently, I understand he had some injuries but the last 2-3 months has been poor and he needs to be better
I've seen people speculate if the Sanchez signing has contributed to his form and maybe it's possible. When him and Martial were playing regularly they seemingly had a good understanding and were linking up well (Martial tends to link well with most of our attackers though) but since Sanchez will take games from him on the left it might have broken that rhythm that he had. Could be that he feels threatened there is a new star name in the squad but I'd like to think he's professional enough to not let that get in the way.
If he's upset at being dropped then he's just being a feckin idiot, if he thinks he's too good to not be dropped he should probably try playing like it. People make so many excuses for him but honestly I'm getting sick of it. He cost us 89m and is now 25 so should be entering his prime years, he's not a youngster like Rashford or McTominay anymore.
I've seen people speculate if the Sanchez signing has contributed to his form and maybe it's possible. When him and Martial were playing regularly they seemingly had a good understanding and were linking up well (Martial tends to link well with most of our attackers though) but since Sanchez will take games from him on the left it might have broken that rhythm that he had. Could be that he feels threatened there is a new star name in the squad but I'd like to think he's professional enough to not let that get in the way.
If he's upset at being dropped then he's just being a feckin idiot, if he thinks he's too good to not be dropped he should probably try playing like it. People make so many excuses for him but honestly I'm getting sick of it. He cost us 89m and is now 25 so should be entering his prime years, he's not a youngster like Rashford or McTominay anymore.
He has regressed this season instead of kicking on,also mentally he seems weak, would he get into any of Utds great teams of the last 20 years I think the answer is no! Would I be interested in any potential swap with either Juve involving Dybala or PSG involving Verratti,without a doubt!
What clips in particular? I just think he's having fun.
Pogba should be sold - he reminds me of di Maria. Talent is there, but he can't be bothered. So offer him to Real in the summer, in Exchange for a couple of their players. I have thought about this for quite a few months, thinking it will probably be better soon. But it's not going to get better - he is a joke of a player.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
1) Pogba never played LWB. Where do you think Sandro/Evra where? Pogba was the left central midfielder in a 3-5-2 or 4-3-1-2. The latter was a 4-4-2 to in defense with Pogba on the left.
2) The Bayern game was perhaps one of his absolutely best in a Juve shirt. He was everywhere. Very odd example.
3) He could be inconsistent, but he was definitely one of the most important players of the team. One of those who could either boss the opposition for 90 minutes or decide games on his own after 85 minutes of silence, like Ibrahimovic. Either way, he was certainly not just a highlights reel player.
Immediately I see a different player. Looks like he's playing off instinct more, pressuring more, generally looks quicker in mind and feet.
Part of that must be down to what other players are doing around him, because the whole team there looks better than the way we play. Part of it must be down to his individual instruction as well. And part down to his own mental game. Possibly a large part, because there's plenty of evidence to suggest he hasn't been concentrating on football. We can ignore and have fun with it if he's performing and it doesn't seem to be affecting anything.
It’s a highlight reel and one of his best performances.
Pogba is s free spirit and does his best when he plays without pressure. At Juventus they didn't give him a strict job. They put him on the left and allowed him that freedom to try different things. Like you said its also down to the job of the players around him but Pogba isn't someone you build the team around. He hasn't got the capability to do that. Pogba is the kind of player you give some privileges to and have him situated closer to the other teams goal. If you compare the videos of the Munich game to his role now it's completely different. Completely different. He played as the most advanced midfielder in a a defensive 4-4-2 formation almost as a second striker at times but drifting to the left. That was maybe because they had some injuries going to that game but still he had Khedira, Hernanes covering in midfield and even Alex Sandro was playing further foward than normal. At United he is being used like Khedira or Marchisio were being used in Juventus. It isn't going to work. Never. We must buy players capable of covering for him midfield. Defensive midfielders and then an attacking LB like Sandro/Evra and push Pogba forward. He isn't capable of playing centre midfield.
People keep slagging one of the best players in the club? Which creative player we have has improved? Soon Sanchez will be "always was bad". I get that people are looking for someone to blame but we can't have "squad not good enough, sell stars, rebuild" every few hundred million. Shame
I think his social media posts kind of sum him up this week, we have had grovelling apologies on Instagram/Facebook from Rashford, Bailly, De Gea.....and then we get to see this bellend dancing around on his birthday with a big smile on his face. Granted, its his birthday, and he is allowed to smile on his birthday, but you get the impression the other lads actually care, hence the apology, whereas he hasnt posted anything other than his dumb-feck dancing as usual.
Im a big fan of him, and want him to be a star....but every day i care less and less that he could leave!
Im a big fan of him, and want him to be a star....but every day i care less and less that he could leave!
Happy Birthday Pogba, hes 25 today
Have to wonder what those who don't like him think
I can be a big fan, and also be extremely disappointed in him.... just cos i am a fan of him doesnt mean i dont realise he has been dog shit for a couple of months!
The posters calling by him a fraud: have a word with yourselves. There’s a reason why we were willing to spent 90mil on him, and it wasn’t purely potential.
Yeah feck him. How DARE he enjoy his birthday!
We should try him from the left as an inside winger, with Matic and Herrera/McTominay as the two sitting midfielders. His attitude and confidence has to improve first, but he really played well in that system against Chelsea, and I wouldnt mind us switching to a 4-2-2-2. Suits most of our players I think.
---Herrera-Matic
Sanchez-----Pogba
--Lukaku---Martial
All we need is fullbacks who can attack properly and give us width.
---Herrera-Matic
Sanchez-----Pogba
--Lukaku---Martial
All we need is fullbacks who can attack properly and give us width.
Isn't it. People moaning about a player who loves to enjoy his life. Some of these posters should have a word with themselves. Moaning about his performance is alright but moaning about his instagram?
I supposed he shouldn't have wished his mum Happy Mothers Day because he should've been preparing for the game?!
Imagine being this miserable.
Nail on the head.
Its not a moan about his instagram - he could video himself beating his meat over a 90's episode of Roseanne for all i care.... but when you see other players instagram, who genuinely look pissed off which what happened on Tuesday, gutted for the team, the fans etc... Pogba just doesnt seem to give off the idea that he is bothered.
To be perfectly honest, I feel even this aspect of his game is overrated. I feel he is very skillfull in tight situations and doing nice turns on the sixpence but I don't particularly rate him as a great running dribbler who is somewhat "unstoppable". At least not the way he is spoken about. You'd have thought he was prime Yaya or doing it like this frequently;
Ed Woodward, Jose and Juventus' fantastic resolve/hard bargaining skills. Don't get me wrong, I firmly believe we stick with it but I long accepted he isn't as good as he thinks or was made out to be. It is most likely a combination of current ability/age/potential (what you hope he'll become) that stimulated the price.
You're making assumptions because he didn't make a post about it on instagram. Perhaps he had no words to say because he was upset? Perhaps he walked into training the next day and galvanised the team to do better in the next match?
Get over it.
Not trying to excuse his performance against Sevilla but I do feel he has been very unfortunate this season. He started the season so brightly, assisting and scoring and then got injured which killed all the momentum, actually got injured at the worst possible time. The team was playing well, and he was doing a great job anchoring our midfield but the injury killed everything. Then he came back and again started to get into groove but was red carded and missed the Derby and 2 more matches. Then we started dropping points but he still was getting his assists and then the Spurs defeat happen and all has went downhill for him. Jose must take blame too, his obsession with hardworking players is killing the flair players momentum. Instead of starting Pogba , he prefers an average giraffe , fellaini, who is not even that good at football. Selling Pogba and keeping averag workhorses like fellaini and Young would not take us that far.
Having said that Pogba must start dictating play and improve as a player. All this dancing stuff needs to be toned down and start to put consistent performance on the field.
Having said that Pogba must start dictating play and improve as a player. All this dancing stuff needs to be toned down and start to put consistent performance on the field.
This.
Couldn't give a shit about Instagram and Twitter apologies, you show it on the pitch. To me it was pretty evident how much he cared when he walked out on the pitch on Tuesday night. He was throwing a tantrum like a my 4 year old son, sulking and protesting against whatever. The company paid 100M Euros for him, gives him a wage a normal person would consider a big lottery win, his bosses pay him this not Jose who is an employee just like him. Be a professional and do your fecking job even if it isn't always the way you want it to be. He's our little dancing princess thinking about nothing but himself and his image. Jesus christ I'm still fuming after Tuesday, he really managed to piss me off badly.
Maybe you should talk to someone about your anger, i'm not even going to engage with a grown man who talks like this.
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