Pogba is trying hard now. You can see his frustrations when he gave a bad pass. You can see him looking for an opening Everytime.
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Another left wing? Why not
Yeah I wouldn't either was just gauging the mood towards pogba who seemed like exactly what we need but lately there can be an argument for trying to build a different type of midfield
It baffles me how bad he has been. We have talked about his shortcomings last season and earlier in the season too, but that was nothing compared to how he has been doing since Alexis came in. Before we just wanted that bit extra from him, even though he was playing well. I really don't get what is going on with him, he has so much more to give than what he has shown lately.
The season isn't over yet. Pogba could come back better than ever in the next game and boss it for the rest of the season. Let's say this form continues, is it really worth gambling on him finding his form next season and actually following instructions on the pitch? I want him to succeed here, i really do, but there comes a time where you think enough is enough. He isn't trying hard enough to adjust for this team, so if PSG or someone else came in with a good offer, maybe we should take it and be done with him.
There is a huge pool of players available who doesn't need to be pampered and will run their socks off for this club. Few have the talent of Pogba, but talent isn't enough and this counts especially under Mourinho.
The season isn't over yet. Pogba could come back better than ever in the next game and boss it for the rest of the season. Let's say this form continues, is it really worth gambling on him finding his form next season and actually following instructions on the pitch? I want him to succeed here, i really do, but there comes a time where you think enough is enough. He isn't trying hard enough to adjust for this team, so if PSG or someone else came in with a good offer, maybe we should take it and be done with him.
There is a huge pool of players available who doesn't need to be pampered and will run their socks off for this club. Few have the talent of Pogba, but talent isn't enough and this counts especially under Mourinho.
I watched the post match reaction from Howson on FTD and he had mentioned that Pogba has been fit for a while now and that the reason he hasn't been playing is because he's been dropped by Mourinho.
Watching his performances maybe you could make the argument that his effort level has been lacking but it's crazy to think you don't play your record signing and best outfield player. Could it be fitness levels or a nagging injury maybe?
Also heard some rumors that Mourinho was not happy that Pogba went to USA for rehab during his long recovery. IF, and this is a big IF, there is a problem between Pogba and Mourinho it would have to be Jose out no?
Curious that the most technical players (Pogba and Martial) in the team are getting shelved for players who "put in more effort" whatever that means.
Watching his performances maybe you could make the argument that his effort level has been lacking but it's crazy to think you don't play your record signing and best outfield player. Could it be fitness levels or a nagging injury maybe?
Also heard some rumors that Mourinho was not happy that Pogba went to USA for rehab during his long recovery. IF, and this is a big IF, there is a problem between Pogba and Mourinho it would have to be Jose out no?
Curious that the most technical players (Pogba and Martial) in the team are getting shelved for players who "put in more effort" whatever that means.
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Quality top world class player that if we aren't careful, we are going to push out the door. He's not the problem, any more than any other the genuine quality players we have. Amazing how Sanchez arrives and now we are questioning his ability. I'm not a Pep fan as a personality but I wonder what a Pogba, Martial, Rashford, Rom, Sanchez would be like under his stewardship?
Tell that to Frank Lampard or Paul Scholes...
I wouldn't be surprised if it was similar
Think there would be more emphasis on keeping the ball which sanchez doesn't do a whole lot of
Then again everybody said sterling would be shipped out by pep
Not to hijack this thread but you could easily say
Matic does what fernandinho does
Pogba gets the kdb role
Sanchez/mata the Silva role
Martial the sane role
Rashford maybe the sterling role or maybe he's up top for the jesus role
And we get a right wing attacker to do the right side job of bernardo / sterling
What's helped their attackers is how they press high as a team and have wing backs to push and drive the ball forward allowing the attackers to be closer to the opposition box.
Lingard first goal against arsenal is a good example of high press and turnover meaning our attackers are in prime position to capitalise
Imo pogba was fantastic that game until the sending off
Also fantastic vs Everton away in second half
“You expect big players to come on and change the game. He came on and did nothing. We saw with the first goal, his reaction to it was like a schoolboy.
“He doesn’t smell danger. The reason you’re part of a team is that when your team-mate makes a mistake, you cover for him and make up for it.
“No-one is helping each other and they’re not playing like the great United teams where you have to dig a result out even on an off night. They’re playing as individuals and don’t seem capable of being able to do that.”
Keane added on the Red Devils’ collective woes: “When I played for United I always thought when you put on the jersey you felt great, enjoyed the history, the pressure, the badge and expectation from supporters.
“When I look at this team I get the impression they don’t enjoy the expectation and pressure.
http://www.goal.com/en/news/keane-s...n-utds-only-problem/k7iqc7ar43rx1fex78dtc0tr1
http://www.punditarena.com/football/sokeefe/keane-pogba-man-united/
“He doesn’t smell danger. The reason you’re part of a team is that when your team-mate makes a mistake, you cover for him and make up for it.
“No-one is helping each other and they’re not playing like the great United teams where you have to dig a result out even on an off night. They’re playing as individuals and don’t seem capable of being able to do that.”
Keane added on the Red Devils’ collective woes: “When I played for United I always thought when you put on the jersey you felt great, enjoyed the history, the pressure, the badge and expectation from supporters.
“When I look at this team I get the impression they don’t enjoy the expectation and pressure.
http://www.goal.com/en/news/keane-s...n-utds-only-problem/k7iqc7ar43rx1fex78dtc0tr1
http://www.punditarena.com/football/sokeefe/keane-pogba-man-united/
Maybe everyone except Rom.
Lets face it - he's been terrible for a few weeks and has let us down badly.
At one point, I would've been devastated if he left, now I couldn't care less.
At one point, I would've been devastated if he left, now I couldn't care less.
Happy Birthday Pogba, hes 25 today 
Do you think Sanchez wages got something to do with his performance? I know Paul is a professional but seems his performance drop since Sanchez arrival
Happy Birthday Pogba, hes 25 today
I hope somebody has shit in his cake!
Keano speaking lots of sense, especially when you read the whole article. We have lots of players who are not good enough.
I suspect he'll be gone in the summer.
I don’t know. As said earlier Zlatan was a big star last season so it’s not as if Pogba should expect to stand out as the only top player at Man Utd.
If he did feel he was entitled to an improved contract it would be something that would be discussed over a period of time rather than overnight. It would also be a good idea to play in such a way as to demonstrate you deserve it.
It would be very unprofessional if this is what’s happened. If it is, however, then he should absolutely be sold in the summer as it would be disgraceful behaviour.
I think it’s something else though.
I think a sign of just how poor he's been recently is the fact I wouldn't be broken hearted if he does go.
He's one of the most frustrating players I can ever remember us having.
Keane can be full of himself at times but it's hard to disagree with what he said.
good post. he's the face of the youtube highlights generation.
I'd take Pogba and Martial over Mourinho every day of the week.
Pogba is far from perfect but he's also one of the best in the world on his day. In theory every player should be like Ronnie and need no manager motivation, but that's not reality.
Any manager's job is to simply get the most out of the hand he's been dealt. Jose has been dealt a wonderful hand, but just keeps moaning about not having pocket aces, rather than working with it.
Pogba is far from perfect but he's also one of the best in the world on his day. In theory every player should be like Ronnie and need no manager motivation, but that's not reality.
Any manager's job is to simply get the most out of the hand he's been dealt. Jose has been dealt a wonderful hand, but just keeps moaning about not having pocket aces, rather than working with it.
Same here. Dislike the idea of siding with them over Mourinho but I think he will be gone in a year, maybe twoat the very most anyway, so ...
But King Pogba, Lingard and Blackett are in the class of 2011. It would be cruel to break them apart again after they have done so well.
He was completely over-hyped, especially by united fans and especially on this forum. I am not saying he is bad. I am just saying he was never as good as people made out. The whole debacle was that Ferguson let him go and Real Madrid were going to sign him. He was worth forty million at best. Having said that under a different coach we would see a different Pogba.
Pogba is one of the biggest enigmas in world football at present. He looks to have all the tools to be a world class midfielder; technically gifted, athletically built, but he seems to lack something mentally, and it's starting lo look like he'll never take the step he needs to fulfil his potential or his price tag. He's not the only high profile player not performing though, which means you have to question Mourinho's deployment of these guys. Genuinely not sure what Utd's biggest issue is here; the top players or the manager, but something is clearly amiss.
@Oldyella & @Beachryan I've asked this before in various threads, who would you replace Jose with, that is actually most likely available?
3 goals, 9 assists this season so far.
He can and will do better.
He can and will do better.
Indeed. They don’t take into account his magnificent defensive contribution.
It's great numbers for a central midfielder btw.
Happy Birthday Paul!!
Hopefully someone gave you maturity as a present.
Hopefully someone gave you maturity as a present.
Would still like to see him play under a different manager.
He's an inside left who's being shoe-horned as a pivot in a central midfield for a squad that's misfiring and has an underperforming Sanchez and Ashley fecking young on the left.
He's an inside left who's being shoe-horned as a pivot in a central midfield for a squad that's misfiring and has an underperforming Sanchez and Ashley fecking young on the left.
His numbers are fine if he's pulling his weight all over the midfield.
If he's not putting his foot in and working hard as a proper box-to-box, he should repay that with more goals.
He has to choose one role or the other.
If he's not putting his foot in and working hard as a proper box-to-box, he should repay that with more goals.
He has to choose one role or the other.
he's regressing big time. Was a 10 goal a season midfielder at Juve and this is the moment he should be entering his prime. He should be a 15 goal+ a season man.
Most of Lampard's high goal scoring seasons were when Chelsea played a 3 man midfield. And Scholes goals and assists went significantly down once he started playing deeper.
Lampard was prolific throughout his time at Chelsea and Scholes played in a two man midfield for his entire United (first team) career.
Can we please put an end to this tired nonsense. He isn’t being shoe-horned anywhere.
Recent events have clearly showed problems in his overall game, even in his preferred position.
Certainly at times he should and could do a lot better than he does. Especially defensively but then it’s not his game, everyone knew that when buying him. Hence why it’s a strange decision to play him in that double pivot. Although a lot of the times it’s more like a 4141 as he just isn’t in the positions you’d expect someone to be in playing that role.
However for me the way the team plays is so fundamentally wrong that it leads to the multitude of bad performances we have. Alexis, Rashford,Miki,Martial,Mata all starting from deep areas on the pitch not where you want them to be, our fullbacks not providing width and only going to a certain point and being reluctant to push forward. Our defence sitting as far back as it is, which causes a huge gap between midfield and it. The lack of movement within the midfield and the slow, slow, build up that eventually goes to nothing but a long punt up field.
These things have been there since last season, the start of this season which is why so many don’t buy in to this it’s only since Christmas we’ve played badly lie. It’s been for two seasons almost now with just fundamental problems.
It’s just a load of bollox, and unfortunately it has led to so many poor performances from players we have seen can go to a much higher level. Just when there is no movement, no cohesion, no intensity then it’s going to limit your passing options and eventually players will start to question their own worth and confidence will start to fall then they start misplacing 5 yard easy passes.
Someone needs to get a hold of Jose and tell him to snap out of his hipster anti football funk and get over being passed over for the Barca job. It’s like he has the biggest chip on his shoulder and is going out of his way to stick it to the Barca.
However for me the way the team plays is so fundamentally wrong that it leads to the multitude of bad performances we have. Alexis, Rashford,Miki,Martial,Mata all starting from deep areas on the pitch not where you want them to be, our fullbacks not providing width and only going to a certain point and being reluctant to push forward. Our defence sitting as far back as it is, which causes a huge gap between midfield and it. The lack of movement within the midfield and the slow, slow, build up that eventually goes to nothing but a long punt up field.
These things have been there since last season, the start of this season which is why so many don’t buy in to this it’s only since Christmas we’ve played badly lie. It’s been for two seasons almost now with just fundamental problems.
It’s just a load of bollox, and unfortunately it has led to so many poor performances from players we have seen can go to a much higher level. Just when there is no movement, no cohesion, no intensity then it’s going to limit your passing options and eventually players will start to question their own worth and confidence will start to fall then they start misplacing 5 yard easy passes.
Someone needs to get a hold of Jose and tell him to snap out of his hipster anti football funk and get over being passed over for the Barca job. It’s like he has the biggest chip on his shoulder and is going out of his way to stick it to the Barca.
His best goal scoring season was playing as basically a number 10 with Veron and Keane in midfield. For most of his career his goal totals were similar to the amount of goals Pogba put up at Juve. And Chelsea played Lampard as the one furthest forward in a three man midfield.
And it is all beside the point Pogba is not a goal scoring midfielder, he is not an all action box to box midfielder he has been miscast in England he even was miscast back in his youth team days.
Keano is dead-on there.
What I think too at that time. Very disappointing.
He is a great player on his day with wonderful skill and talent who is capable of embarrassing players and carrying the ball up the field quickly and effectively using pace, skill and strength.
However there is clearly an issue with him or with him and Jose, he looks like he simply can't be bothered anymore which is worrying. Id rather have someone like Mctominay who is far less technically gifted but has the correct application to have an effect on the game plugging ataw rather then Pogba who is having a sulk about something.
However there is clearly an issue with him or with him and Jose, he looks like he simply can't be bothered anymore which is worrying. Id rather have someone like Mctominay who is far less technically gifted but has the correct application to have an effect on the game plugging ataw rather then Pogba who is having a sulk about something.
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