[Zoo]

Mourinho will call this all garbage news tomorrow.

 

[kouroux]

Let's just boil it down and ask this question, if Pogba was playing for City, Liverpool or say Spurs, I think the general consensus amongst people would be that Pogba would be much better off and play a hell of a lot better

However if you flip that and say, well if we had De Bruyne here, would he be giving anywhere near as much output attacking wise as he's giving for City? The likely answer would be no

Are Pogba and De Bruyne completely the same player? Of course not, but it's more to do with the fact of how we utilise these attacking type players. If we weren't going to build the team around him, or play to his strengths and elevate them, then why the hell did we spend so much money on him because I refuse to believe we were stupid enough to spend so much money on him only to get him to 'do a job' at which he's obviously not the best suited for, the mind boggles.

Would KDB display the same laziness immaturity and selfishness Pogba has displayed at United ? My point is that it's virtually useless to make hypothesis like that based on imagining the output a player would have or wouldn't have if he was playing for this or that team because the story can always be bent in any direction.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Let's just boil it down and ask this question, if Pogba was playing for City, Liverpool or say Spurs, I think the general consensus amongst people would be that Pogba would be much better off and play a hell of a lot better

However if you flip that and say, well if we had De Bruyne here, would he be giving anywhere near as much output attacking wise as he's giving for City? The likely answer would be no

Are Pogba and De Bruyne completely the same player? Of course not, but it's more to do with the fact of how we utilise these attacking type players. If we weren't going to build the team around him, or play to his strengths and elevate them, then why the hell did we spend so much money on him because I refuse to believe we were stupid enough to spend so much money on him only to get him to 'do a job' at which he's obviously not the best suited for, the mind boggles.

Speak for yourself...

 

[Ban]

Simple and to the point. Not that the Einstein's will agree.

Let me guess, Einsteins are whoever don't agree with you?

 

[Ban]

If he would play for Pep and Pep would sub him it would be called a genius move.
Problem is that evil Jose did it.

And media is loving it, they can make up stories as they go.
Hopefully Jose and Paul will put it to bed.

 

[Raees]

Would KDB display the same laziness immaturity and selfishness Pogba has displayed at United ? My point is that it's virtually useless to make hypothesis like that based on imagining the output a player would have or wouldn't have if he was playing for this or that team because the story can always be bent in any direction.

He has form for walking away from Jose once. Whose to say he wouldn't do it again if he was being used as a CM rather than as a AM like he is at City.

His passing maps suggest most of his play is in the final third whereas at United he'd be defending an awful lot and picking it up very deep.

I don't think he has the defensive coverage in his legs to please Jose either so I reckon there would be a clash again in that situation too.

 

[kouroux]

He has form for walking away from Jose once. Whose to say he wouldn't do it again if he was being used as a CM rather than as a AM like he is at City.

His passing maps suggest most of his play is in the final third whereas at United he'd be defending an awful lot and picking it up very deep.

I don't think he has the defensive coverage in his legs to please Jose either so I reckon there would be a clash again in that situation too.

He's had plenty of excellent performances playing a 2 man CM too. Why are those overlooked ? He's showed he can much better than what he's currently showing. Like I said I only judge on what's been done (and not done), not what could possibly done (and not done).

 

[Raees]

Let me guess, Einsteins are whoever don't agree with you?

No it's a phrase I see used to describe whomever dare criticise the manager. I was using it in jest.

 

[el3mel]

Why are people mixing his tactical position with his attitude on the pitch ? Alright we all agree he should have played LCM in 4-3-3 and all that stuff, but his attitude and mentality on the pitch was rubbish.

I'm 100% sure if a player had done similar performance with similar attitude under SAF, He would have been out of the main lineup for at least a month.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I’m sure Yaya Toure would have an interesting opinion on Pep’s attitude to extremely talented - yet not very hard-working or disciplined - central midfielders.

 

[Jim Beam]

If there is any truth in this, it certainly isn't the best timing. Like in most cases, blame probably lies on both sides. Pogba's lack of effort is inexcusable, on the other side Jose should try to change the formation for the extended period of time and give him more freedom. Not so sure it will solve the issue, as I think the problem in our attacking play is a little bit deeper, but we're on a bad run atm and can't see how trying something different can and will make any harm.

In any case, if we have a disagreement between a manager and a player who is supposed to be the backbone of our team, all this talk about only Jose coming out of it as a winner is bollocks because it's not so simple. In fact, can't see any benefit or winners in this case, certainly not looking from the club perspective.

 

[breakout67]

Let me guess, Einsteins are whoever don't agree with you?

The irony is that the 'Einsteins' are the one's telling Pogba to get on with it, and that putting in the effort he was putting in earlier on in the season would have him performing like he was earlier in the season. Not the ones that claim to have the answer to all of our woes, and that answer is just 'play like he did at Juventus'. If it wasn't so idiotic it would be funny.

What is a common factor between all of these people that claim to have the answer to everything wrong at Man Utd, is the lack of humility and brazen arrogance. There is never a disclaimer that what they say might be a bit naive or ignorant because they are not privy to what happens behind the scenes at a football club. It's just, 'listen to what I say and we'll win the league!'.

 

[Kapardin]

If there is any truth in this, it certainly isn't the best timing. Like in most cases, blame probably lies on both sides. Pogba's lack of effort is inexcusable, on the other side Jose should try to change the formation for the extended period of time and give him more freedom. Not so sure it will solve the issue, as I think the problem in our attacking play is a little bit deeper, but we're on a bad run atm and can't see how trying something different can and will make any harm.

In any case, if we have a disagreement between a manager and a player who is supposed to be the backbone of our team, all this talk about only Jose coming out of it as a winner is bollocks because it's not so simple. In fact, can't see any benefit or winners in this case, certainly not looking from the club perspective.

This. He's absolutely lazy at times. Also, is there any instance of a midfielder only playing in one formation throughout his career? All great players can adapt to a greater or lesser extent to other systems as well. Specially for midfielders, adaptability is a must.

Not to say Jose is completely blameless, but the greater portion of the blame should go to Pogba only.

 

[kouroux]

The irony is that the 'Einsteins' are the one's telling Pogba to get on with it, and that putting in the effort he was putting in earlier on in the season would have him performing like he was earlier in the season. Not the ones that claim to have the answer to all of our woes, and that answer is just 'play like he did at Juventus'. If it wasn't so idiotic it would be funny.

What is a common factor between all of these people that claim to have the answer to everything wrong at Man Utd, is the lack of humility and brazen arrogance. There is never a disclaimer that what they say might be a bit naive or ignorant because they are not privy to what happens behind the scenes at a football club. It's just, 'listen to what I say and we'll win the league!'.

Please name the people you have in mind, let's have some fun.
It's a fun take on the people not sharing the same view because the arrogance you're talking about could also be pointed at the ones who wanna teach Mourinho how to get the best out of Pogba but I wonder why you didn't and that simply changing to 3 man midfield is the answer

 

[Raees]

He's had plenty of excellent performances playing a 2 man CM too. Why are those overlooked ? He's showed he can much better than what he's currently showing. Like I said I only judge on what's been done (and not done), not what could possibly done (and not done).

Against who though? Even I agree he can play in a two against weak opponents. Newcastle was a disgrace and an outlier.

My point is we look very disjointed all season bar off game. So the midfield hasn't been working to the same level as our rivals even before past few games. We don't look fluid.

This in addition to the fact against any half decent opponent we can't go toe to toe. Long term it doesnt get the best out of the side as well as Pogba.

We are not going to win titles or big trophies with him playing there so why persist in it. It might work against smaller sides in terms of results but performance wise it is more miss than hit. Even for France he looks so average there.

A failed experiment IMO which overall restricts his development and the fluidity of our side as a whole. If you want to commit to 4231 do it properly and sell him

 

[L1nk]

Would KDB display the same laziness immaturity and selfishness Pogba has displayed at United ? My point is that it's virtually useless to make hypothesis like that based on imagining the output a player would have or wouldn't have if he was playing for this or that team because the story can always be bent in any direction.

Probably not, i'm not completely absolving Pogba of any responsibility here, he is a grown ass man after all and should be playing with dignity on the pitch even if things aren't going his way. But clearly this is who he is and this is the person we signed, I said it before but, if i'm Pogba, I know my skills, I know my worth, I probably could of had my pick of clubs leaving Juventus and to be honest i'd probably have my pick of clubs now if United sold me, I'm looking at our rivals in the league and the continent and im seeing that brilliant football, i'm seeing that plan, that fluency, i'm seeing that improvement, i'd be wondering what the hell am I doing here.

I'm not saying this is right, i'm not saying this is the correct attitude to have, player power is poisonous in my eyes, but players are human beings after all, I think we can at least all agree things aren't particularly clicking 100% on the field and if you asked football players i'm sure over 90% of them would say well yeah I want to enjoy my football, i want to have fun, I mean out on the field we look so passive and grindy at times, watching it is a chore in itself, can't imagine what it's like to play that way.

 

[kouroux]

Against who though? Even I agree he can play in a two against weak opponents. Newcastle was a disgrace and an outlier.

My point is we look very disjointed all season bar off game. So the midfield hasn't been working to the same level as our rivals even before past few games. We don't look fluid.

This in addition to the fact against any half decent opponent we can't go toe to toe. Long term it doesnt get the best out of the side as well as Pogba.

We are not going to win titles or big trophies with him playing there so why persist in it. It might work against smaller sides in terms of results but performance wise it is more miss than hit. Even for France he looks so average there.

A failed experiment IMO which overall restricts his development and the fluidity of our side as a whole. If you want to commit to 4231 do it properly and sell him

Like I said in a previous post, I don't disagree with your general idea that a tactical adjustment is needed to get out of the best out of the whole team (and therefore Pogba too). I just disagree with the idea that playing in a 2 man midfield, however bad it is for certain games, is the excuse that explains his shitty performances.
I'm sorry but even against Spurs, I thought he was a joke, a half arsed body with zero effort to help out.

 

[Bobski]

We need a world class dm and a world class conductor to get the best out of him. That should be the strategy for the summer, release Pogba so that his 10 goals can win us a CL. Now, we can't take the risk on just buying one of each of those types, what happens if they are injured, suspended or out of form, Paul might have to deal with sub optimal conditions, can not expect him to accept that. Solution is to buy Busquets, Kante, Pjanic and Modric.

Problem solved.

 

[#07]

 

[Ban]

Even if he would play in a midfield 3.he would have some defensive responsibilities. Problem is some think he should be relieved of all defensive duties and have a totally free role. And if he doesn't like something he has a right to have a strop and not give 100 percent.

 

[kouroux]

Probably not, i'm not completely absolving Pogba of any responsibility here, he is a grown ass man after all and should be playing with dignity on the pitch even if things aren't going his way. But clearly this is who he is and this is the person we signed, I said it before but, if i'm Pogba, I know my skills, I know my worth, I probably could of had my pick of clubs leaving Juventus and to be honest i'd probably have my pick of clubs now if United sold me, I'm looking at our rivals in the league and the continent and im seeing that brilliant football, i'm seeing that plan, that fluency, i'm seeing that improvement, i'd be wondering what the hell am I doing here.

I'm not saying this is right, i'm not saying this is the correct attitude to have, player power is poisonous in my eyes, but players are human beings after all, I think we can at least all agree things aren't particularly clicking 100% on the field and if you asked football players i'm sure over 90% of them would say well yeah I want to enjoy my football, i want to have fun, I mean out on the field we look so passive and grindy at times, watching it is a chore in itself, can't imagine what it's like to play that way.

I get you where you're coming from.
If I'm Pogba however, I'll ask myself why don't I play football as simply and maturely as possible in order to get the best out of everybody around me before even asking why is our team not playing the right tactics or comparing our team to others.

 

[breakout67]

Please name the people you have in mind, let's have some fun.
It's a fun take on the people not sharing the same view because the arrogance you're talking about could also be pointed at the ones who wanna teach Mourinho how to get the best out of Pogba but I wonder why you didn't and that simply changing to 3 man midfield is the answer

I think I didn't put across my point well. I agree with you, that it is not as simple as 3 man midfield. Pogba has played badly in different midfield setups that have little to do with the formation.

The team is not Pogba FC, so the manager could be thinking about how other players can function in specific tactical setups. What if he believes that Hererra cannot do well enough in a midfield 3 from what he has seen of him, what if he wants to make the team around Sanchez and thinks that his quality in attack will move the team forward, what if he doesn't want to sacrifice Lingard who has improved a lot as a player under him.

There are so many considerations for changing your tactical setup, that I cannot claim to know which one is the best. The tactical setup is something the players and managers have to work out together, not someone like me who has such little information.

 

[kouroux]

I think I didn't put across my point well. I agree with you, that it is not as simple as 3 man midfield. Pogba has played badly in different midfield setups that have little to do with the formation.

The team is not Pogba FC, so the manager could be thinking about how other players can function in specific tactical setups. What if he believes that Hererra cannot do well enough in a midfield 3 from what he has seen of him, what if he wants to make the team around Sanchez and thinks that his quality in attack will move the team forward, what if he doesn't want to sacrifice Lingard who has improved a lot as a player under him.

There are so many considerations for changing your tactical setup, that I cannot claim to know which one is the best. The tactical setup is something the players and managers have to work out together, not someone like me who has such little information.

So true, I agree 100% with that. I think we either stick with a 3 man midfield for the entire season or we show flexibility in certain "easy" home games and still play with 3 in big games. It's so annoying not to have a clear idea of our team this late in the season.

 

[L1nk]

I get you where you're coming from.
If I'm Pogba however, I'll ask myself why don't I play football as simply and maturely as possible in order to get the best out of everybody around me before even asking why is our team not playing the right tactics or comparing our team to others.

This is something only Pogba can answer himself I'm afraid, either way this isn't good for the club and, whether you put any blame on Mourinho or not, he's had fallings out with big players of other clubs in the past as well so this isn't entirely unsurprising. Like I said my main issue really is this isn't good for the club, especially right now in a crucial period of the season when the difference is between ending up 2nd and ending up outside of the CL spot, this isn't Pogba or Mourinho FC but it's starting to feel this way a bit, and if this continues on I don't see what the resolution is, will the club sell Pogba despite the fact he's probably the face of the team, the big star, now that Rooney's gone, or do we get rid of Mourinho? it's a pretty crap situation to be in to be honest.

 

[haram]

We were being overrun in midfield during that match because of the tactics not because of one single player. Our every big away match has been like that under Mourinho(we let them dominate us in midfield and try to nick one through a longball or a setpiece), that is how we setup to play even last year when Chelsea smoked us at Stamford Bridge after we conceded very early just like the Tottenham match(pogba played then too). This is what I mean when he scapegoats players, there was no reason to sub Pogba, if he felt we needed help in midfield he should subbed in a midfielder not take off a superior player for an inferior one(especially as we were chasing the game) to make a point. Did subbing off Pogba during that match suddenly made us defensively strong or good in attack?

Pogba was playing poor period. It isn’t about scapegoating him. Yes the tactics could be different but Pogba still has a job to do regardless.

 

[kouroux]

This is something only Pogba can answer himself I'm afraid, either way this isn't good for the club and, whether you put any blame on Mourinho or not, he's had fallings out with big players of other clubs in the past as well so this isn't entirely unsurprising. Like I said my main issue really is this isn't good for the club, especially right now in a crucial period of the season when the difference is between ending up 2nd and ending up outside of the CL spot, this isn't Pogba or Mourinho FC but it's starting to feel this way a bit, and if this continues on I don't see what the resolution is, will the club sell Pogba despite the fact he's probably the face of the team, the big star, now that Rooney's gone, or do we get rid of Mourinho? it's a pretty crap situation to be in to be honest.

At the worst possible period of the season yeah.. It's frustrating to say the least. Specially when the teams around play some good football

 

[breakout67]

So true, I agree 100% with that. I think we either stick with a 3 man midfield for the entire season or we show flexibility in certain "easy" home games and still play with 3 in big games. It's so annoying not to have a clear idea of our team this late in the season.

Yes, I agree. Usually when you have Mourinho, you can be confident of a draw against the big teams, but that isn't the case anymore away from home. You used to expect a team defensive performance, where every player is putting in 100% effort to stop the opposing team from scoring. Then when they get that one opportunity they take it because they believe in the manager.

We don't even play like a Mourinho team; it doesn't feel like there is a team spirit. Even when we play against relegation teams they still get good chances, that's not normal.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

This is something only Pogba can answer himself I'm afraid, either way this isn't good for the club and, whether you put any blame on Mourinho or not, he's had fallings out with big players of other clubs in the past as well so this isn't entirely unsurprising. Like I said my main issue really is this isn't good for the club, especially right now in a crucial period of the season when the difference is between ending up 2nd and ending up outside of the CL spot, this isn't Pogba or Mourinho FC but it's starting to feel this way a bit, and if this continues on I don't see what the resolution is, will the club sell Pogba despite the fact he's probably the face of the team, the big star, now that Rooney's gone, or do we get rid of Mourinho? it's a pretty crap situation to be in to be honest.

You're being incredibly melodramatic. You'd swear this was the first time a big player at a big club got dropped to give him a kick up the arse. Fergie himself did with almost every one of his big stars, at one point or another. Yet here are. Because of the thinly veiled hysteria since a couple of bad results - and the general feeding negativity around the club since Fergie retired this is being blown up to be the end of the world. People badly need to get some perspective.

 

[hn4manunited]

We just had a thread recently to discuss what constitutes greatness in a manager. One of the points argued was that the managers need to be ruthless and drop players who are not doing what they are responsible for.

At the end of the day, a talented player without the right ethics, heart, and responsibility is ultimately just that. Just having the talent is not enough to be successful. They might find some fame but never sustained success. As I've said it in another thread, this is what's wrong with the world today especially the younger generations. They feel entitled to be catered to and want everything to be handed to them on a platter. Work for it or you don't deserve it.

 

[L1nk]

At the worst possible period of the season yeah.. It's frustrating to say the least. Specially when the teams around play some good football

I guess the question is, for the club, which is better for it, is it better for the club to get rid of Pogba, or to get rid of Mourinho? Personally I have my answer, and that would be Mourinho, but i'm not sure everyone would agree with that for one reason or another.

 

[Mike Myers]

Pogba has been overrated for a long time now, and more and more people are realizing this. He need to step his game up big time and fulfill his potential. None of our big spend signings have justified their pricetag or even half of that, while Liverpool are buying so many great offensive player for less than half of the amount we are paying.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

I guess the question is, for the club, which is better for it, is it better for the club to get rid of Pogba, or to get rid of Mourinho? Personally I have my answer, and that would be Mourinho, but i'm not sure everyone would agree with that for one reason or another.

As @noodlehair has already said though, if we go down that route it's madness.

What if the next manager asks Pogba to do something he doesn't really want to? Pogba knows he can just feck about and stop trying and he'll either get his own way or the manager gets sacked.

Very dangerous way to run a club that.

 

[bosnian_red]

Perfect summation this IMO. Mourinho could probably be using him better. Or at least, if we built the team around him in his ideal position, then he probably would be doing better. But there's no doubt at all that he himself should be doing better anyway. He needs to work harder, be less selfish, make better decisions, and so on. No matter if it's in a 2 or a 3. He's shown good performances in a 2 before, just like he's shown shit performances in a 3 before. He needs to prove first that he's good enough to have the team built around him in the first place, because he pretty much never shows that currently. He's flattered to deceive his whole career basically. All this talk about him having the potential to be the best midfielder around... Nah. He is talented and big, but he's never shown he has that intelligence, decision making or quick mind that would make him the best midfielder. Having the right mental attributes is arguably as big as anything to succeed as a central midfielder, and he really hasn't shown that ever. Even at Juve, he had Pirlo, Vidal and Marchisio in midfield to be actual midfielders for him. The summer we took him from Juve was when he was supposed to get a bigger role at Juve. A more prominent midfield role, not quite the same free role he had before that.

So yeah. He has to do better regardless of the role he's played in. He has to show he is capable of being one of the best players in the world. He has to change his attitude on and off the pitch to being more dedicated to improving as a player and doing everything he can for the team to win, not for himself to have some little glory (as in, feck off with waiting 10 seconds every time he receives the ball just so he can try to outmuscle opposing midfielders, feck off trying to dribble past somebody every time you have it, feck off shooting from 30 yards out every little opening you get and make the right decisions and pass it quickly to advanced positions and help destabilize defences instead of giving them an age to get organized).

 

[kouroux]

I guess the question is, for the club, which is better for it, is it better for the club to get rid of Pogba, or to get rid of Mourinho? Personally I have my answer, and that would be Mourinho, but i'm not sure everyone would agree with that for one reason or another.

I don't think it'll be that tbh, some compromise will be found in order to keep everyone happy.

 

[Freak]

Zlatan should give him a nice smack on the head to bring him back down to earth. Pogba is being petty and acting like a prima donna. Listen to your manager and do your fecking job.

If it came down to keeping either Jose (a proven world class manager) or Pogba, I'd easily choose Jose. The power should always be with managers at this club, especially one as established and decorated as Jose, not with the players. What would Fergie have done if Pogba acted this way under him? He'd be benched until he pulls the finger out of his arse.

 

[Raees]

Like I said in a previous post, I don't disagree with your general idea that a tactical adjustment is needed to get out of the best out of the whole team (and therefore Pogba too). I just disagree with the idea that playing in a 2 man midfield, however bad it is for certain games, is the excuse that explains his shitty performances.
I'm sorry but even against Spurs, I thought he was a joke, a half arsed body with zero effort to help out.

Surely you admit that his effort level for both Spurs and Newcastle was below par, the sign of a very demotivated and unhappy player. With the Spurs game, it wasn't at the start of the game where the effort level was poor.. it just gradually got more and more lethargic, the more he realised he was being given the run around.

In Newcastle, he just started the game with completely the wrong mindset and looked like he didn't' want to be there at all.

Now I've seen Pogba play in a two many times for club and country as I am sure you have, and I have never seen him just stop putting in effort like he did in both those games. His professionalism, has never been called into question to the extent it has on the back of those two games. Yet, he has still played very poorly for country especially in the Euro's in that deeper role and for United, he's had fits and spurts of decent impact in that role against weaker opposition but even with his best efforts, there is no recollection of him ever putting in a world class display in a two against quality opposition (whereas there is evidence he has had world class displays in a three, as well as poor ones).

The point being that contrary to the recent desire to label him a lazy cnut, who just needs to get his head together - he has rarely if ever been called out for not trying. Indisciplined tactically, poor positionally? yes.. but not giving a feck, not trying at all. That is not what one associates with Paul Pogba.

In fact when Scholes said something about his fitness, there was tonnes of posters willing to slag Scholes off and saying Pogba never stops running blah blah and some of the same posters have now turned 180 and calling him a lazy bastard. Therefore if Pogba is indeed putting in less effort, which he clearly is.. yes it is a disgrace, but surely we have a cause for concern that a guy who is usually the song and dance, the joyous heartbeat of the squad is now suddenly sullen and disinterested.

That has to be a worry. You can't just ignore that and say, Pogba you lazy bastard because it is very out of character for him.

Also if the rest of the squad was firing on all cylinders and he was the only one holding us back, I'd get the recent venom for him.. but he's only had two really bad performances and yet we have been pretty meh all season and there's been plenty of moaning about how we play, so it can't all just be Pogba's fault nor will it all suddenly be resolved if he just pulls his socks up and really focuses on his role as a CM. It won't really change the deeper lying problems with our structure and how we play.

 

[L1nk]

As @noodlehair has already said though, if we go down that route it's madness.

What if the next manager asks Pogba to do something he doesn't really want to? Pogba knows he can just feck about and stop trying and he'll either get his own way or the manager gets sacked.

Very dangerous way to run a club that.

I agree it is very dangerous, it's definitely a contentious situation, and if for example this was Ferguson i'd back him wholeheartedly, I just don't personally see that Mourinho is the future of this club, where as I think Pogba is, it's just difficult man, hopefully this is ,as Pogue has said above, all kind of overblown, but there some worrying signs out on the field and that are now coming into the press.

 

[Scarecrow]

...
These posts covers the problem and possible solutions. Maybe not a coincidence that two senior posters are behind them.

That's a good collection of posts on the subject. I approve of your approval.

 

[Bobski]

As @noodlehair has already said though, if we go down that route it's madness.

What if the next manager asks Pogba to do something he doesn't really want to? Pogba knows he can just feck about and stop trying and he'll either get his own way or the manager gets sacked.

Very dangerous way to run a club that.

Or what happens when a week after you give Pogba everything he wants tactically Sanchez comes knocking at the door complaining about having to sacrifice parts of his game to allow another freedom?

Have to be careful of the message you send to the squad and potential future signings.

 

[Ban]

This is something only Pogba can answer himself I'm afraid, either way this isn't good for the club and, whether you put any blame on Mourinho or not, he's had fallings out with big players of other clubs in the past as well so this isn't entirely unsurprising. Like I said my main issue really is this isn't good for the club, especially right now in a crucial period of the season when the difference is between ending up 2nd and ending up outside of the CL spot, this isn't Pogba or Mourinho FC but it's starting to feel this way a bit, and if this continues on I don't see what the resolution is, will the club sell Pogba despite the fact he's probably the face of the team, the big star, now that Rooney's gone, or do we get rid of Mourinho? it's a pretty crap situation to be in to be honest.

Or there isn't anything in it at all. I mean why would be it either we sell Pogba or get rid of Mourinho. Maybe it's just a bad form and Pogba being angry at himself.