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2016-17 Performances

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6.3 Season Average Rating
Appearances
51
Goals
9
Assists
6
Yellow cards
10
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Sylar said:
I think against "lesser" teams, having him in a 2 man midfield works.
Against "better" teams, having him higher in a 3 works imo.

Its getting there though with him. Funny thing is, the two shots he hit the woodwork with, (header and shot from range), he scores those two, we have a few more points than we do and his stats are 10 appearances, 5 goals...
Fine margins and all.
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Exactly this. Add in the many close assists he should have had, I can think of 2 Zlatan SHOULD have scored off the top of my head.

Sure he's had a few performance's that have been average, but some games where he's been unplayable too. I just don't understand why people are so desperate to get on his back, maybe it's the Rooney fanboys trying to deflect? very odd.
 
ZupZup said:
What I notice watching him play is that as soon as his confidence is up, he goes up another level. He just starts playing with much more swagger... and that is when he is at his best. As soon as his penalty went in, it seemed like the weight was off the shoulders and he just got better and better.
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Yeah, came here to post the same. The transformation in his game after that penalty went in was incredible. Up until that point he'd been fairly anonymous but for the last hour of the game he was an absolute monster. Long may it last. Brilliant timing with Chelsea coming up at the weekend too.
 
Maradona10 said:
I think he has shown glimpses for now, we will see the real pogba after january when he has 6 months under him. I think same about Henrikh, i expect us to have the best form from january with these two playing most important roles.
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At this point I just want Mhiki to be able to play 5 games in a row.
 
He has been the best player or one of the everytime we have played well as an attacking unit. Soton, Leicester, Fener. His best is still a couple of years away IMO which means you will have to bear with the inconsistencies as well as partly help him grow with the right surroundings. I really don't see why people need to be getting on his back at every opportunity because of the baggage of his price tag and hype. I can understand oppositions, but for any United fans, it's clear he has a lot to give and you really wouldn't want him to be at any other club.
 
Much better last night.

He's just inconsistent within the 90 mins. He switches from brilliant to sloppy. As soon as he sorts that out he'll be a proper player.
 
Before the goals I was expecting him to get shat on in terms of criticism he looked bloody awful. Hopefully this confidence boost will help him get more involved during games. He needs to stop letting games pass him by.
 
Thought he was awful for large parts of the first half despite his goals. Hopefully the two goals will spur him on a bit now.
 
was amused to see a troll/"journo" state that "Pogba can't be judged based on last night"

Ah I see, we can judge Pogba when he plays average, but not when he scores twice :lol:
 
Stacks said:
His chance creation has been low compared to others. Barkley has created 20 odd chances. The best creators create many chances. Ozil created 144 last year. thats how you get assists, not by creating the odd chance. And the through ball stat is bollocks. Below is the through ball ranking for 2016/17. I do believe the dribbling one though as he is a beast with his feet

1. Alexis Sánchez Arsenal
Chile
17
2. David Silva Manchester City
Spain
10
3. Dusan Tadic Southampton
Serbia
8
4. Fernandinho Manchester City
Brazil
7
5. Philippe Coutinho Liverpool
Brazil
6
5. Mesut Özil Arsenal
Germany
6
7. Kevin De Bruyne Manchester City
Belgium
5
7. Granit Xhaka Arsenal
Switzerland
5
9. Héctor Bellerín Arsenal
Spain
4
9. Santiago Cazorla Arsenal
Spain
4
9. Dimitri Payet West Ham United
France
4
9. Paul Pogba Manchester United
France
4
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Also worth remembering his job is not exclusively to creat chances. Most on your list are forward players, or proper #10s.
 
Rozay said:
Also worth remembering his job is not exclusively to creat chances. Most on your list are forward players, or proper #10s.
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Also, through balls hinge on many factors. It's not like you put a good passer in a team and suddenly he plays through balls just like that. It's no coincidence that two teams that lean towards free-floating offensive football dominate this ranking. All players from other teams are clearly offensive specialists, bar Pogba.

Not saying everything's great, but this particular area is not the problem imo.
 
Dobbs said:
Much better last night.

He's just inconsistent within the 90 mins. He switches from brilliant to sloppy. As soon as he sorts that out he'll be a proper player.
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He is very young and often tries to indulge into style of play he really shouldn't. Sometimes, it looks as if he intentionally lets players close him down and then tries to do a half turn, a little flick pass or something "cool" to get away from the marker. It is so obvious that he will get better with age but right now he looks like he just wants to do something that stands out and that is no what, I guess, many fans wanted to see in the midfield this season. They wanted a player who could be rated a 6.5-7 every game rather than someone who could be a 9 for 35 minutes and then fall down to 4. I am not one of these fans by the way. I wanted to see someone with a bit of flair and invention in the United team.
 
I've always had a soft spot for Conte :drool:

Got the same antics as Klopp on the sidelines, but it feels more genuine. Also he got cool wolf eyes, while Klopp is a four eyed cnut.
 
How much of Pogba would you compare to a prime Yaya Toure? Would you say they'd be at the same level or one better than the other?
 
Saw a tweet saying he has more take-ons than anyone in the league. That's incredible for a CM.
 
luke511 said:
How much of Pogba would you compare to a prime Yaya Toure? Would you say they'd be at the same level or one better than the other?
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Yaya won City titles. He was a lazy bugger. I pray Pogba becomes Yaya but one that gets stuck in and doesn't cry about birthday cakes. One that doesn't flirt with and praise other clubs across Europe. One who doesn't allow his agent to talk trash about the gaffer.
 
luke511 said:
How much of Pogba would you compare to a prime Yaya Toure? Would you say they'd be at the same level or one better than the other?
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He's still a level below. Toure could run the midfield and was direct threat on goal. Both of them can disappear in big games, especially Toure, but he destroyed the lesser teams for fun. Pogba has the stronger mentality and the extra bit of magic about him. If you ask me, Pogba has the higher ceiling in his game.

Important to note that Toure went City when he was 26 or 27 and in his prime, while Pogba's only 23.
 
LouisDanGaal said:
Its also very easy to say what you said at the time.

I don't know but Rooney played tonight and we scored four goals and he played well which you're admitting to in your third sentence, which points out what you said in your second sentence as bs given that's probably the best we have looked going forward this season. Not entirely sure why you're bringing that up.

Yeah but I'm not looking for congratulations. I don't load up my previous posts to brag when what I have said is contrarian to some knee jerk opinions. Most of your posts seem to refer to a previous post you think we should be aware of.
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I'm not gonna bother to look up the thread again but in May, there weren't exactly many sticking their neck out saying, 'Herrera would be putting world class performances under another manager'. I think we looked better against Leicester and Stoke, both without Rooney. More front foot pressure, whilst against Fenerbahce we played at a very medium tempo (not a slight on Rooney but just my thoughts on the game in general). Anyways the point is, the exclusion of Rooney got us to this stage where we've found some (but still have plenty more to find) form, playing style and potential. If Rooney is happy to play the bench and odd games, stick to playing as a no.9, doing the fundamentals right, he can contribute. That wouldn't have happened had he still been in the first team a month back. So my point stands, he was sh|te and was massively affecting our game. Let me bring up some old posts where I've said this...
 
criticalanalysis said:
I'm not gonna bother to look up the thread again but in May, there weren't exactly many sticking their neck out saying, 'Herrera would be putting world class performances under another manager'. I think we looked better against Leicester and Stoke, both without Rooney. More front foot pressure, whilst against Fenerbahce we played at a very medium tempo (not a slight on Rooney but just my thoughts on the game in general). Anyways the point is, the exclusion of Rooney got us to this stage where we've found some (but still have plenty more to find) form, playing style and potential. If Rooney is happy to play the bench and odd games, stick to playing as a no.9, doing the fundamentals right, he can contribute. That wouldn't have happened had he still been in the first team a month back. So my point stands, he was sh|te and was massively affecting our game. Let me bring up some old posts where I've said this...
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I've just watched a chilling episode of black mirror, this is the last thing on my mind and none of it is even about pogba any more? we appear to have gone on a tangent, and I'm only cool with that happening if its to talk about Blind or Ander.
 
thepolice123 said:
He's still a level below. Toure could run the midfield and was direct threat on goal. Both of them can disappear in big games, especially Toure, but he destroyed the lesser teams for fun. Pogba has the stronger mentality and the extra bit of magic about him. If you ask me, Pogba has the higher ceiling in his game.

Important to note that Toure went City when he was 26 or 27 and in his prime, while Pogba's only 23.
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Agree with that. Toure was the master at driving the ball forward, something Pogba is still perfecting, but Pogba is better technically and can play quick football in congested spaces better than Toure. He also has an ability to pull out the spectacular beyond anything Toure could do.
 
roonster09 said:
In Premier League you don't get much time on the ball to shoot from distance. At least that was what posted here.

https://my.mixtape.moe/zezruj.mp4
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Not sure what point you're making but wouldn't a video of Pogba himself shooting make it a lot better? You could go with a clip of him hitting the bar from earlier in the season.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Not sure what point you're making but wouldn't a video of Pogba himself shooting make it a lot better? You could go with a clip of him hitting the bar from earlier in the season.
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When Pogba scored from distance some said players don't get time on the ball to shoot.
 
Can't see him having a great game today, don't think our system will suit him particularly well. Who cares if we get the win, though.
 
11101 said:
Agree with that. Toure was the master at driving the ball forward, something Pogba is still perfecting, but Pogba is better technically and can play quick football in congested spaces better than Toure. He also has an ability to pull out the spectacular beyond anything Toure could do.
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I doubt that the Yaya Touré of five years ago would be as effective in today's Premier League. The secret of Touré's success was having enough space for his game due to the general subpar midfield compactness in the PL. That has started to change by now with the improved defensive tactics of English teams. Spurs, Pool, Utd, City as obvious examples, but even though I don't watch lower table league games, I wouldn't be surprised if the overall level of team compactness had risen.

That compactness issue was the reason Touré could impose himself on regular league games but often struggled heavily against quality opposition and in European football. In the Champions League he was often denied the time he needed to control the ball, the space he could run into, and the options to pass to. He couldn't adapt to these conditions and disappeared. Pogba has a much better skill set to succeed in contemporary football, but he has to improve regarding his decisions under pressure.
 
Chelsea 4:0 Man Utd
So bad again today.
 
Playing like a little bitch. Hopping from one leg to another, waiting for the ball, just to do feck all when he gets it. Take some fecking responsibility, you're supposed to be the best player on the pitch.

Wasn't he supposed to be good at defending, as well? The James Harden of football.
 
I think today it is Zlatan who is more of a problem because he isn't stretching the game with runs, makes Pogba so damn easy to pick up.
 
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