You honestly think he has been second only to Hazard in the Premiership this season? Really?
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You honestly think he has been second only to Hazard in the Premiership this season? Really?
Brilliant last night. His best game for us?
No, I think he said WhoScored had him in second place behind Hazard in the PL.
I had to stop watching, I was getting so frustrated at our shit finishing, I sore 7 amazing chances to score that even a semi pro would consider decent chances and we missed them all.The pass at 1:02.
That's atleast 7 assists pog is missing out on for his stats as well
Then why mention it if nobody agrees with it?
Very good first half, didn't notice him as much second half but I didn't find myself cursing him up and down for losing the ball doing something daft in the middle of the park so that's all good
I think he meant that Pogba is better than people think.
That's the best he's played in a big match for us. Absolutely excellent. You could argue Celta aren't a Chelsea/City/Liverpool/Spurs/Arsenal but they are a good team who raise their game against the big teams, and it was a European semi-final away. He just bullied them. This is the 1st time I've come away from a big game this year being very impressed with him. It's great to have him back!
I wouldn't take anyone from the PL ahead of him. He's so unique and will only continue to grow.
Bingo.
Well it depends on what you mean - I dont think anybody has said that he isn't a good player, it's just that over the course of this season he has not performed to the standard most people expected him to - nobody is saying he has been poor, just that he has done ok (I think anyway). The odd great game does not detract from that. As I said earlier, next season is massive for him and will define him in a Utd shirt.
Out of curiosity, which facet of his game has disappointed you this season? Goal-scoring?
Why would I choose goal scoring as a big thing to judge a midfielder on? Goals are just a bonus for a midfielder, not a main attribute. Look you guys have seen him more than me this season and if you are telling me he has been fantastic then who am I to go against that. All I can judge him on personally is the games I have seen him play in, which has been a fair few this year and by and large I've found him underwhelming. He had a good game last night and that was probably the best performance Ive seen from him so far in a Utd shirt.
He's been better then ok and the difference without him was there for all to see. Usual suspects trying to downplay him.
He had much much better than OK season. LIke @KM said maybe you watched few of his big games where he was average and though he was like that for whole season.
Ive edited my post to reflect more of what i'm saying - like i said, i'm judging him purely on the games ive seen him in but i acknowledge you guys have seen much more of him so if you say he has been fantastic then fair enough.
If you read most posts here about Pogba at the start of the season, middle of the season and now, you will notice clear changes.
At the beginning it was all praise for Pogba. United just bought a beast of a player.
As the season progressed and the team kept missing crucial points, more people started labelling Pogba a flop - not worth all the money.
In the last few weeks, Pogba has once again been labelled a beast by most.
Can we all agree once and for all if he is a beast or a flop?
At the beginning it was all praise for Pogba. United just bought a beast of a player.
As the season progressed and the team kept missing crucial points, more people started labelling Pogba a flop - not worth all the money.
In the last few weeks, Pogba has once again been labelled a beast by most.
Can we all agree once and for all if he is a beast or a flop?
Wouldn't say fantastic but he had good season. I wouldn't trade him for any CM in the league that's for sure. He is very unique player.
I supposed another pass not converted will make its way to a compilation when the season ends. He is such a creative player, a real shame he hasn't hit double figures in assists, it would just shut up many idiots who are focused on numbers
Don't get defensive. There must be something you're expecting when you say you watch him and he's been underwhelming. What is he missing, for you? That's my point.
The big-game argument is something I agree with, but other than that, he's shown very little to make me criticize him (sometimes lingering on the ball too much and being dispossessed in midfield because he takes his physical strength for granted). Of course we all expect him to hit greater heights.
Or maybe just judge his performances on their own merits? He had a great debut, then struggled for a bit but is finishing the season very strongly.
He still appears to be quite raw in some aspects of his game imho - I think he is too casual in his passing (but acknowledge he is capable of top class long passes) and his positioning/defensive attributes for a midfielder are well below average. What he does have is a lot of flair and you can tell he is a very creative player which is great to see but in the games I have seen he hasnt had much influence on the game and it has basically passed him by which I've found disappointing.
Yeah, it's a bit like this for me except at first he annoyed the shit out of me, too much showboating, keeping the ball when he should've passed, etc. Then he grew into game, dipped and now's back on his feet.
For me it's consistency that he lacks the most. Can't complain about rest really.
He was so damn good last night.. it is scary to think how good he can be in the next few years if we get recruitment right in other areas of the pitch.. he could be the fulcrum of our next great side if we don't feck it all up.
I think at the start of the season, physically he was feeling it and wasn't covering the pitch like he should be in the EPL and there were a number of reasons behind this...
1. Still physically developing - big frame, but looked too slim and was getting shrugged off the ball in a more demanding league physically, and endurance wise.. was not at full capacity. Now he is filling out, his arms for example look bigger and he is really demonstrating a huge engine now.. proper B2B stuff in the last few weeks.
2. At Juventus, he played in a very precise position with specific instructions, which limited his influence over the entirety of the game but ensured he was effective for what they needed.. at United, he has to do much more heavy lifting and basically run the midfield himself in terms of creative output and dictating the tempo.. he has relied heavily on Herrera to bail him out throughout the season, but signs are that he's holding his own even if he was paired with a Fellaini.. he doesn't need his hand held as much
Footwork wise, he's again getting sharper and you feel like he's 'Mr 260' to coin a phrase from cricket.. whenever he's on the ball, you feel like he can manipulate it in any direction he sees fit, and turn defence into attack in an instant if he so wishes. In recent weeks, his decision making is getting better and knowing when to showcase this elite dribbling skill but there is so much more development to be seen in this area and it is frightening what it could become when he begins to peak and mature further.
What impressed me most of all yesterday was the one touch passing and the flick passes, it wasn't for show - It was passing which was designed to keep the momentum of the move going, he helped keep us on the front foot and avoid us having to go backwards all the time when pressed. Right now, it doesn't seem a big deal but with better players around him, those cheeky risky (but for him risk free) passes through enemy lines, can suddenly get a talented attacker running at the opposition and lead to goalscoring opportunities.
It is a shame the support cast is so average, because this boy when he's in the form he was yesterday should be in the CL semi's and beyond.
During the summer, hope he keeps working on the physical side of his game because the decision-making etc will naturally develop with more and more games and with better players around him, his goal/assists numbers will automatically go up rapidly.
I think at the start of the season, physically he was feeling it and wasn't covering the pitch like he should be in the EPL and there were a number of reasons behind this...
1. Still physically developing - big frame, but looked too slim and was getting shrugged off the ball in a more demanding league physically, and endurance wise.. was not at full capacity. Now he is filling out, his arms for example look bigger and he is really demonstrating a huge engine now.. proper B2B stuff in the last few weeks.
2. At Juventus, he played in a very precise position with specific instructions, which limited his influence over the entirety of the game but ensured he was effective for what they needed.. at United, he has to do much more heavy lifting and basically run the midfield himself in terms of creative output and dictating the tempo.. he has relied heavily on Herrera to bail him out throughout the season, but signs are that he's holding his own even if he was paired with a Fellaini.. he doesn't need his hand held as much
Footwork wise, he's again getting sharper and you feel like he's 'Mr 260' to coin a phrase from cricket.. whenever he's on the ball, you feel like he can manipulate it in any direction he sees fit, and turn defence into attack in an instant if he so wishes. In recent weeks, his decision making is getting better and knowing when to showcase this elite dribbling skill but there is so much more development to be seen in this area and it is frightening what it could become when he begins to peak and mature further.
What impressed me most of all yesterday was the one touch passing and the flick passes, it wasn't for show - It was passing which was designed to keep the momentum of the move going, he helped keep us on the front foot and avoid us having to go backwards all the time when pressed. Right now, it doesn't seem a big deal but with better players around him, those cheeky risky (but for him risk free) passes through enemy lines, can suddenly get a talented attacker running at the opposition and lead to goalscoring opportunities.
It is a shame the support cast is so average, because this boy when he's in the form he was yesterday should be in the CL semi's and beyond.
During the summer, hope he keeps working on the physical side of his game because the decision-making etc will naturally develop with more and more games and with better players around him, his goal/assists numbers will automatically go up rapidly.
I don't get this, we don't expect creativity from defensive minded players, so why do everyone expect creative players to be very good defensively?
I've resigned myself to watching him lose possession a few times each match with annoying dicking around but so long as he has as big an impact on the game as he did yesterday then that's a price worth paying. For a month or two this season he lost his way a bit and was a lot less influential. I put that down to settling in.
Aye, he also had to adapt to playing double #6 at time so it comes with a price, just like Herrera.
I think most people would agree that midfield is the position that you need a mix of skills - some creative and some defensive depending on the passage of play - Pogba obviously is on the creative end of the spectrum however that does not mean he should be completely neglectful of his defensive responsibilities. I think the discussion around the type of players he needs to perform to his best (i.e. players to do all the running/defensive work for him) does emphasise what I'm talking about. It depends on what you want in a midfielder and of course what position he ends up in. It's just my personal opinion but it is an obvious weakness in his game - it can be improved of course with coaching and I'm sure it will.
He actually isn't anyway.
For all my criticisms during the summer I really enjoyed watching him last night.
He doesn't. He does his share of defensive duties but obviously he isn't as good as defensive mids. Since we paid 89 Million people expect him to be best defensive mid and also best offensive mid.
I think there are aspects of his game that could be improved a lot - I'm not saying he isnt a great talent because I think he is. I also think he can improve a lot with the right coach/attitude.
Hopefully we get at least another midfielder and forward of his quality. I think next season if we manage to tilt the squad with players more around his ability he'll show his best. I'd like to see him continue to get more freedom with a couple of players around him so he can get forward and influence more than sitting deeper. He can easily get double figures for goals and assists so I wouldn't want to see him limited by playing more as a deeper playmaker.
I think you are just making generic points and digging deeper. Like Is said, Pogba isn't defensively as good as proper defensive mids but those defensive mids are not anywhere near Pogba when it comes to attacking.
We are going a bit into the rabbit hole - I kinda wish we had just stopped when I acknowledged you guys have seen a lot more of him than I have and I accept your opinion on him over my own generally.
Watching him last night I was reminded of YaYa Toure in his prime. Back when he was such a massive influence on City winning the league. I was deeply envious at the time. Great to see such a physical beast with great technique at the heart of the United midfield.
He could be a huge player for you - no doubt about it.
Not even close, he scores above average on defensive stats.
I am really disheartened by the idea of Fellaini getting a new contract, I have no idea why Jose wouldn't look for a better replacement tbh. Fellaini wouldn't start for any good team and him being Pogba's partner is terrible for Pogba
Is he getting a new contract?
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