Probably because it's the same tactic we resort to whenever we're chasing a goal. What is he supposed to do when everyone else is just standing in the box?
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We need him for EL.
We were quite dogshite today as well.
Ie: it makes no difference if he plays or not
He simply offers the best distribution of all United midfielders, Herrera couldn't do that at his level. To me, that was the most important factor for United controlling the game in the second half. Made several important ball recoveries too.
I bet the missed chance hit the bar.
What has it been now, 9 times he hit the woodwork this season?
He is cursed methinks.
He is cursed methinks.
I think the keeper saved it. Still can't remember which game it was, one of our home draws against crap opposition.
He wasn't good, but he hasn't played for a while. So deserves some leeway perhaps.
99.9% of the players in the planet are average. He's a football genius.
The team is not winning and that was not his best version.
But still is a genius.
The team is not winning and that was not his best version.
But still is a genius.
He's so important to us its unreal. The only one that looks like doing something of real quality apart from ibra.
He drives us forward and he changes the momentum for us to be able to play on the front foot. No surprise we were creating more chances when he was on.
I really do hope we play 433 in Europa League with him, Herrera and somebody like Carrick (it suits Carrick best playing in a three with these two rather than one being Fellaini). Also suits Herrera more as he can press higher up the pitch, and Pogba doesnt have to keep dropping deep to get the ball.
I really do hope we play 433 in Europa League with him, Herrera and somebody like Carrick (it suits Carrick best playing in a three with these two rather than one being Fellaini). Also suits Herrera more as he can press higher up the pitch, and Pogba doesnt have to keep dropping deep to get the ball.
Thought he did well when he came on. Not amazing but he took control.
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Offered a lot more on the ball than we'd had in midfield prior, and even though he was stuck in that stupid deeper role a lot of the time he passed it progessively continuously and was foiled by the fecking woodwork again.
I don't think Carrick had anything to do with our best starting line up after this game. He's incredibly off pace. Neither helping attacking enough nor helped out the defense. Keep getting left behind by both teams' transitioning play. He may look to be passing well, but the passes were poor in that he dropped in space to pass it to teammates who already being tight marked, and have their backs toward opposition's goal. The problem is to get the space he dropped too deep and make a big gap with the other in front. There were 2 different tempo at play from our team. Around Carrick slower, the front line too rush. Too much back and forth and we didn't really control the game flow like with Pogba doing similar role after Carrick went off.
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Proved me wrong. We are dog shit without him.
This is brilliant
Pretty obvious difference with him compared to without. We are useless without him (though would be mitigated if we had a team like, Carrick-herrera-Mata-Miki-Martial-Ibra out there). Even with him we still struggle to score, but if you can't see the blatant improvement and how everything goes through him instantly then you are just biased I think.
Its moreso having the player there to help get the best out of Herrera and Pogba. TBH, I would use Blind in that position, because Blind can also drop back to seperate our CBs and create that back three. (Only thing against him is height). But his passing is usually good.
I've missed him. As a team we're not easy on the eye but it's a pleasure watching a player of his quality at Old Trafford.
I don't think they would need that much help if there are 2 fullbacks. This games Blind was exposed in first half and rightly got subbed off (See the corner leading to the fluky goal), Mourinho decided a weird formation with Herrera as false RB and Carrick stayed deep with the defensive line, which as I said he failed to be useful and didn't provide protection when needed nor support attack if he's free. Pogba had to carry the midfield all by himself when Carrick went off & you can still see how improved our midfield got. In normal circumstances, Pogba with Herrera would be enough. Valencia can carry his own on the right flank.
I cant believe people think we were really better with him, his header was good but the 2nd half was still a pile of sh*te. We were converging to the Moyes-Fulham game, just bombarding with crosses, he gave some crosses and passed to people who gave the crosses, was nothing special. We played shit the entire match.
If you insist there was no difference in our overall level of performance between the first and second half then you either didn't really watch the game or - with all due respect - you're an idiot.
You were better in the second half and started to create some good chances but not sure how much of that was down to Pobga.
It wasn't all down to him but we got a lot of joy down Everton's left flank (including the "offside" goal) all of which he was heavily involved in.
Hmm I was watching him closely once he came on and I didn't see him involved in much - aside from his header that he should have scored from. Coming back from injury of course so shouldnt be judged too harshly though.
His stats are impressive for a substitute.
39/44 passes (27 of them forwards) 2/3 crosses. 3/4 take ons. 2 chances created. 8 ball recoveries. 2/2 tackles.
I respect your opinion - not saying he was poor or anything but I didn't see him nearly as involved in things as those stats suggest.
He wasnt all that at all at 1st, but I think he did drive on the side a lot in the last 5 and in injury time
I agree that we always look better with him than without. But also would agree he has to do so much more
I agree that we always look better with him than without. But also would agree he has to do so much more
Yeah, that's fair. I agree.
Everton had 5 men in the area and another 5 men cutting off lines in front of them. It's incredibly difficult to play any sort of football when this is the case. Pogba did as much as you can expect coming into a game like this after a month layoff. It was more down to the players ahead of him to get onto something or break the lines. I actually thought Zlatan did well in that regard, he often dragged two or three players out of position with his movement and hold up play but Rashford, Lingard, Martial and Mkhitaryan failed to exploit the space.
It was entirely shit, the standard is so low nowadays? You think even putting in more long balls and crosses is equivalent to a higher overall level? And when we do that under Moyes it is embarrasing? Basically every little chance we created came through a cross/long ball, it's pathetic. Pogba didnt do anything of note but no just delude yourself that he changed the match.
He was poor, but what was he supposed to do? It's killing me seeing very talented Manchester United players seemingly under instruction to play long hopeful balls to Fellaini in the opposition box.
Think about it.
What did Pogba do? Not saying he was bad but he was just another player who played this long ball/cross tactic, talking as if he changed the game or improved our play is rubbish imo. Not that that is his fault but he seems to get some credit for absolutely nothing, we were poor 1st half and 2nd half, unless now the Moyes-tactic is a good thing. We only have to revert to that because we are so poor in midfield, wide players as you said, dont exploit the space, backs were lacking, tempo just far far too slow, it was a mess. But hey just lump it to Fellaini/Zlatan and Pogba changed the game.. And then wonder how we'll finish 6th or 5th after being so satisfied with such a performance.
I am well below average to be honest.
That makes you part of the 0.1% according to the statement above. Congrats.
We are so much worse without him. Glad he's back.
Now stop hitting the fecking woodwork.
So glad he's back. If he was fit enough to play then I have no idea why he started Fellaini instead. Guess he wasn't ready for 90 minutes.
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