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2016-17 Performances

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6.3 Season Average Rating
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51
Goals
9
Assists
6
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Stacks said:
Being a good footballer is more than about Goals and assists. Sigurdsson and Eriksen have plenty goals and assists. It is about all the other non recorded elements as well
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Given that dominating teams isn't a problem for us, but finishing teams off is, I would say goals and assists is exactly what we need from Pogba. I can think of multiple times this season he has pulled off individual moments of magic that if, coupled with better composure from our other players, would have won us the game. His pass to Zlatan in the Liverpool game being a prime example.

Due to his price tag I understand people expect sudden performances, but how much he cost isn't going to make him mature beyond his years. The talent is there for all to see, he's one of the most talented players of his generation, can do everything. He's also prone to making the wrong decisions and holding onto the balls, showboating at the wrong times etc, but that's all things that hopefully he will iron out of his game in time.

The same people being impatient with him would be the same ones upset we sold him if he was to go on and play somewhere else.

Also, his haircuts and dabs have nothing to do with his mentality.
 
roonster09 said:
Interesting article on Pogba by statsbomb.



http://statsbomb.com/2017/03/tough-times-for-paul-pogba/
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OldTrevil said:
Good article that, great use of sensational and contrived narratives to lure in the crowd too.
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I like Pogba. He is one of our guys but I find stats misleading. They divert your attention to one place and can make someone seem better than they are. If this is actually what to expect based on Juve contribution (I didn't watch them much) then I really don't see the value in the transfer, even as a long term one. You can sign more specialist goal scorers/creators for 1/3 of the fee and use the remaining money to strenghten other areas. e.g. Pjanic last season contributed more goals/assists. signing a midfielder like that PLUS a destroyer (Kante), is obviously better business. United are a football club and I have little interest in how many shirts a player can sell, if that is going to be a big feature of his acquisition and not the balance of the team. I would rather a Figo than a Beckham.
 
He needs to become world class in one role. Being a decent 6 ,8 & 10 etc isnt gonna cut it , & thats where Pogba is atm. There are far better players than pogba about that specialise as a 6 , 8 or 10 , all these players would improve a team more than a jack of all trades master of none.
It may seem harsh , but thats the truth of it. Jose spent the $$ he needs to get more from him. No doubt he will.
 
Stacks said:
I like Pogba. He is one of our guys but I find stats misleading. They divert your attention to one place and can make someone seem better than they are. If this is actually what to expect based on Juve contribution (I didn't watch them much) then I really don't see the value in the transfer, even as a long term one. You can sign more specialist goal scorers/creators for 1/3 of the fee and use the remaining money to strenghten other areas. e.g. Pjanic last season contributed more goals/assists. signing a midfielder like that PLUS a destroyer (Kante), is obviously better business. United are a football club and I have little interest in how many shirts a player can sell, if that is going to be a big feature of his acquisition and not the balance of the team. I would rather a Figo than a Beckham.
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I'd say in terms of productivity Pogba's been the same as Juventus level, the problem has been more him losing the ball while dribbling in dangerous areas, and having to do more defensive work than he did there and not being entirely up to it. I think both of those are a function of us playing a midfield two as opposed to a three like Juve. If we're going to get the best out of Pogba we either bring in a midfielder to sit behind Pogba/Herrera or he has to adapt.

Pogba's not worse than Pjanic btw, he's just a different player. As you said, stats can be misleading so don't compare their goals/assists. Pogba is more capable of playing a deeper role, if we decide to adapt him, and he's also a lot better at carrying the ball up the pitch. Pjanic is probably more mature and intelligent in his play which is to be expected as he's also older and more experienced. We've paid for Pogba's ability, his potential, and his commercial appeal. People complain about his fee but then don't want to credit the money he brings in.
 
Pogba is a great influence on the dressing room. His numerous football qualities are very clear for me to see, he is class, although admittedly he has been frustrating in a few key matches. He will tend to make the wrong decision a couple of times per match.

But he will be one of the best players in the world over the next decade. Listen to how other players and managers rate him, that's usually telling. He is rated exceptionally highly by his peers.
 
Fridge chutney said:
Pogba is a great influence on the dressing room. His numerous football qualities are very clear for me to see, he is class, although admittedly he has been frustrating in a few key matches. He will tend to make the wrong decision a couple of times per match.

But he will be one of the best players in the world over the next decade. Listen to how other players and managers rate him, that's usually telling. He is rated exceptionally highly by his peers.
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I do hope so. It's about time we had one of the very best in their position as it feels like its been a while
 
"I think everybody has an interest in Pogba. But there are things you can do and things you cannot do. I love the Eiffel Tower but I can’t have the Eiffel Tower in my garden. I can’t even have the Eiffel Tower of Las Vegas.
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This was what Jose said in July 2015.

Interesting how much Jose is backed at ManUtd by signing a player that he thought was near impossible just a year ago.

Edit: Apologies for the randomness, just found this link on reddit.
 
roonster09 said:
This was what Jose said in July 2015.

Interesting how much Jose is backed at ManUtd by signing a player that he thought was near impossible just a year ago.

Edit: Apologies for the randomness, just found this link on reddit.
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He said something similar about Neymar today. :devil:
 
roonster09 said:
This was what Jose said in July 2015.

Interesting how much Jose is backed at ManUtd by signing a player that he thought was near impossible just a year ago.

Edit: Apologies for the randomness, just found this link on reddit.
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Hmm possibly he knew Pogba will only play for Manchester United in England and or that Chelsea limited his spending that summer so he was out of the question in that sense to.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
Only we could buy a world class talent who was brilliant at Juventus, and turn him to shit. It happens with everyone we buy. We're cursed
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Was he actually brilliant at Juventus though? Who actually watches many Serie A games these days. Any time I watched Juve he was usually outshone by his midfield partners such as Pirlo or Vidal etc. Also he's never been outstanding for France either. A little youtube sample compilation can make almost any player look like a world beater.
 
PhilMcD79 said:
Was he actually brilliant at Juventus though? Who actually watches many Serie A games these days. Any time I watched Juve he was usually outshone by his midfield partners such as Pirlo or Vidal etc. Also he's never been outstanding for France either. A little youtube sample compilation can make almost any player look like a world beater.
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I didn't watch enough of Juve but from whatever I did see of Pogba whether for Juve or France, he was never the real deal but always potentially the real deal whilst clearly being very good. He's simply not defined enough consistently to be a bona fide elite footballer. Compare the consistent class of Modric (who is older) and it's evident that Pogba needs to work on his game to be as good as he can be and we want him to be. On his game he is wonderful, but he has issues with his decision making and performances when closed down. If he figures that out he'll be wonderful.
 
steve88 said:
Hmm possibly he knew Pogba will only play for Manchester United in England and or that Chelsea limited his spending that summer so he was out of the question in that sense to.
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Read Chelsea had bid in the vicinity of £80 mil. for Pogba but he like to stay at Juventus for another year.

Thinks what Mourinho meant is Pogba destined to go to Real or Barca and Chelsea had no chance.
 
PhilMcD79 said:
Was he actually brilliant at Juventus though? Who actually watches many Serie A games these days. Any time I watched Juve he was usually outshone by his midfield partners such as Pirlo or Vidal etc.
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Hmm

 
What i have missed from him this season is better finishing. Besides that, i think he has performed close to what i expected. He wasn't the finished article in Italy either.

He will grow a lot from the tough competition in England and the pressure that Manchester United always have.
 
sammsky1 said:
Why is he injured? Or has he been given leave to tend to his sick dad?
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He left the pitch because of the injury in his last game for us. It didn't look very serious, but I guess it was.
 
@Attila Pls expand why you think my stance on Pogba is 'seriously pathetic'? :D

I was seriously underwhelmed at the start of the season, as he did not perform as I'd expected. Hence I started a thread asking to discuss the 'baby elephant in the room' that Pogba might not be what many expected. I took flak in that thread as many were seduced by his youtube hollywood passes, dabbing, and haircuts. But as the season has progressed, its now an accepted narrative from many fans and expert pundits that Pogba is far away from the finished article and not reached the heights some expected.

He has scarcely won us any games and delivered more average performances than good ones. And his imbalanced midfield profile means his selection in the poses us other team selection issues. His future success is dependent on many additional factors beyond his own development.

There are some who are delighted with him (including Mourinho), but many others are disappointed with this season's contributions from an £90m investment.

Maybe Im very vocal and abrupt in my expressions (it is a forum!) but I dont see what is so 'pathetic' about such an opinion?
 
sammsky1 said:
@Attila Pls expand why you think my stance on Pogba is 'seriously pathetic'?

I was seriously underwhelmed at the start of the season, as he did not perform as I'd expected. Hence I started a thread asking to discuss the 'baby elephant in the room' that Pogba might not be what many expected. I took flak in that thread as many were seduced by his youtube hollywood passes, dabbing, and haircuts. But as the season has progressed, its now an accepted narrative from many fans and expert pundits that Pogba is far away from the finished article.

He has scarcely won us any games and delivered more average performances than good ones. And his imbalanced midfield profile means his selection in the poses us other team selection issues. His future success is dependent on many additional factors beyond his own development.

There are some who are delighted with him, but an equal number who are disappointed with this season's contributions from an £90m investment.

I dont see what is so 'seriously pathetic' about such an opinion?
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Sam do you think your response has been fine?
 
Akshay said:
We've paid for Pogba's ability, his potential, and his commercial appeal. People complain about his fee but then don't want to credit the money he brings in.
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Why would football fans bother commenting on something as abhorrent as the commercial appeal of one of their team's players?
 
Brwned said:
Why would football fans bother commenting on something as abhorrent as the commercial appeal of one of their team's players?
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Because they were talking about his fee and it obviously factors into the price that was paid?
 
He was missed yesterday. He may not be setting the world alight this season but his control and athleticism in midfield was missed.
 
roonster09 said:
This was what Jose said in July 2015.

Interesting how much Jose is backed at ManUtd by signing a player that he thought was near impossible just a year ago.

Edit: Apologies for the randomness, just found this link on reddit.
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Nice find, thanks.
 
I really hope he's fit for Tuesday as it's the first and probably only game I'm able to attend this season.
 
Brwned said:
Why would football fans bother commenting on something as abhorrent as the commercial appeal of one of their team's players?
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How much money a player brings in often plays a part of how much a club is willing to pay for him. If you decide to take how much a club spends seriously then you should look at every aspect or you wouldn't have the full picture.
 
Uncle Pat.

Patrice Evra has revealed he advised Paul Pogba to join Manchester United - despite the pair being team-mates at Juventus at the time.

The duo won five trophies at the Juventus Stadium, including two Serie A titles, and also played together at Euro 2016 for France.

They both ended up leaving the Bianconeri within six months of each other, with Evra having joined Marseille in January.

But Pogba's fate could have been very different if the 35-year-old did not have a quiet word with his compatriot last summer.

"I told him that if he was going to leave then he should join United," Evra told FourFourTwo .

"Juve is a great club and I would have been happy if he’d stayed with us, but I said Man United is a massive opportunity for him."

Evra, who left United for Juventus in 2014, has acted as a mentor to Pogba for a number of years.

And, having been one of the few footballers to feature in his popular Instagram videos , it is clear Uncle Pat is still close to his former team-mate.

"Paul is like a brother to me and I want the best for him," he added.

"I will kill people who want to take advantage of him or try to do something bad.

"Paul’s got a really good heart.

"If he has a bad game, people criticise him for what he does on social media or his haircuts, but he won’t change. He thinks for himself and acts for himself.

"I don’t want his image coming before his football, and although I’m not worried that will happen, I’m scared other people hope it does so they can criticise him like they did with David Beckham."
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http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...anchester-united-transfer-news-pogba-12840845
 
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