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I think he's suffered from being indulged too much. Not focusing on the off pitch stuff as it's irrelevant to performances but how playing in the dominant team in Italy with experienced, high quality leaders around him slowed down his development as a CM in the defensive facets because he didn't have to do so much. He could coast through domestic games without being asked the questions on a regular basis he is now in a weaker team and more competitive league.
The problem here is people expect Pogba to dominate the games, defend, attack and score 3 goals sending Chelsea out. Be realistic ffs.
Yeah people have such absurd expectations for him here because of the price tag.
No they don't. Stop trying to bend the narrative.
What people realistically expect is the consistency and quality of a midfielder that deserves to be starting every match for Man Utd and playing 90 mins, and the work-rate of a player that is desperate to win matches for this club.
Tonight he wasn't just out-worked by Rojo, Young, Tony V, Herrera, Fellaini and Jones...he was out-played by them as well.
How? Are they more talented than him? No.
They care more, and they have an actual job on the pitch that they are fecking dedicated to.
The situation needs addressing.
Good post.
I don't watch much non United football so have no idea about his time at Juventus except what I've been told on Redcafe.
in the summer time transfer thread 'expert' Pogba fans told us he was gold during his time in Italy. And that he would hit the ground running.
So what am I missing here?
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I fully agree.
Mourinho is obviously aware of opinions like the ones being expressed here. Pogba most likely reads this thread.
I have no issues with Mourinho trying to big him up in public but he seriously needs to work on his attitude behind the scenes.
potential and form may take time to realise (I hope that's the reality) but his seemingly lacklustre attitude is not acceptable.
Generally speaking SAF teams were always the hardest working. Same with Mourinho Chelsea teams.
We are not at the moment and so don't stand a chance
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Good post.
All things considered, he's been disappointing this season in terms of his output and big game performance. He was terrible again against Chelsea
We can always sell him and buy him back for 200 mil 
In all seriousness though, thats a good post. You are right
In all seriousness though, thats a good post. You are right
We can always sell him and buy him back for 200 mil
In all seriousness though, thats a good post. You are right
We got fecking robbed.
Definitely have been underwhelmed this year. Has a ton of average players around him and that should change. He'll look the part next year.
Part of his problem, and the reason Jose is defending him, is that his price tag makes him a target whenever we hit a rough patch. Mourinho is just trying to diffuse the pressure on Pogba, because Pogba is definitely feeling the pressure. And, as long as he remains in this high pressure situation, it becomes more difficult for him to play his best football.
PP really needs to enjoy his football to settle in and play his best, and right now he is not getting much joy.
PP really needs to enjoy his football to settle in and play his best, and right now he is not getting much joy.
Give him some rest. He'll be fine.
I read today that Pogba had one shot, made two tackles, one interception, and completedThe problem here is people expect Pogba to dominate the games, defend, attack and score 3 goals sending Chelsea out. Be realistic ffs.
just 27 passes. He made three unsuccessful touches, and was dispossessed eight times – more than any other player. In his last 15 games for the club, he has as many bookings as he does combined goals and assists (2).And you think people are being harsh on him? He's been very disappointing. He has so much ability but he seems so immature.
Lets be honest, Pogba's the best midfielder in the League irrespective of pricetags. He just keeps letting himself down in the big games/moments hence the OTT criticism.
Minor point from before the weekend but I just have to correct it; Yaya Touré never played in a CL final prior to joining Barca.
Someone who consistently lets himself down can't be called the best midfielder in the league.
Thought he was good until the sending off. Struggled after that
I just don't get why Jose plays him in every fecking game. He needs a rest and he needs it now.
Yeah Scholes and Giggs shows up for every game, how is he any different?
And I didn't bend the narrative one bit. Before the game everyone was saying Pogba should show up now that Zlatan is suspended. So much burden on him just because he cost 89M. Will you all be placing same burden on him if he never left Manchester United? Will you be placing same burden on an academy player that is 23yrs old?
I read today that Pogba had one shot, made two tackles, one interception, and completed
And you think people are being harsh on him? He's been very disappointing. He has so much ability but he seems so immature.
Do you have the list of bad games Scholes and Giggs had at the age of 23? How are those two different from Pogba?
Yeah Scholes and Giggs shows up for every game, how is he any different?
And I didn't bend the narrative one bit. Before the game everyone was saying Pogba should show up now that Zlatan is suspended. So much burden on him just because he cost 89M. Will you all be placing same burden on him if he never left Manchester United? Will you be placing same burden on an academy player that is 23yrs old?
Those are different situations entirely, as the world's most expensive player he must be held to a higher standard than other players in the squad.
Oh he's a target, but i guess that's his own fault for not producing the goods on a consistent basis. He'll get over the transfer and the hype and go back to being one of the best midfielders in the world again. Look at Modric, not so long ago he was being mentioned as the worst signing in La liga now he's a serial winner of the la liga midfielder of the year award. Pogba is letting himself down no doubt about that. Its pretty obvious that the whole saga of Pogback has affected him. when things aren't going his way, he gets worse and worse.
Please do not try to base the growing, and increasingly justified, frustration over Pogba on one game.
Pogba is floundering. The promising performances earlier in the season seem ages ago. The talent is there, irrelevant of pricetag, but he is lacking something that Valencia, Herrera, even the likes of Young and Fellaini were showing last night. I'm concerned about burning him out, but I'm more concerned about his mentality at this point.
Then that is when he should come to the fore and show what he can do. He will never be a great until he can show authority, he is like Ozil, great when things are going well, but disappears when they aren't.
I blame Mourinho. Pogba is tired, plays in a midfield two, new league, new team, expectations.....
Sure we could expect more, but he will never be better in a midfield 2 than a midfield 3. I want him as far away from our own box as possible, he is even worse than Fellaini for defending deep. He should be closer to the opposition box than our own. Some even think he can play as a 6 in a few years Just because he can ping a few long balls and has a strong build, which he doesnt use half the time. He is just not ready to play in a midfield two and i doubt he ever will be better there than in a more advanced role in a midfield 3. That said he is still young and with some rest in the summer and an improved team next season hopefully, i hope he shows his class consistently.
We are doing an experiment here with a 89m pound guy. Same if we get Griezmann. Throw him somewhere and hope he delivers.
Sure we could expect more, but he will never be better in a midfield 2 than a midfield 3. I want him as far away from our own box as possible, he is even worse than Fellaini for defending deep. He should be closer to the opposition box than our own. Some even think he can play as a 6 in a few years
Just because he can ping a few long balls and has a strong build, which he doesnt use half the time. He is just not ready to play in a midfield two and i doubt he ever will be better there than in a more advanced role in a midfield 3. That said he is still young and with some rest in the summer and an improved team next season hopefully, i hope he shows his class consistently.We are doing an experiment here with a 89m pound guy. Same if we get Griezmann. Throw him somewhere and hope he delivers.
I'm stating to believe those French mulumbu taunts now.
For 90 million I expect dominating midfield performances every game, only thing Pogba dominates is his hair.
For 90 million I expect dominating midfield performances every game, only thing Pogba dominates is his hair.
That's absolutely false.
Last season he got the number 10 precisely because he was asked to carry our midfield on his shoulders, which he did both in Serie A and in CL.
To be fair he also struggled a lot, and he started to deliver when he understood that he could't decide games by himself or focus too much on pure trick skills.
And it wasn't an easy season, as we had been 14th until November and we definitely couldn't coast through domestic games (and this is why we reached the CL game with Bayern with half of the team injured)
Good post, I totally agree. His performance have been extremely lacklustre lately.
I don't expect him to dominate, but he needs to put in a whole lot more effort.
To be fair at Juventus he was supported by Vidal and Pirlo. Nowadays he's been asked to play with Herrera and over the hill Carrick, Fellaini and now Jones.
Pogba will come good I have no doubt and actually think he's been good this season.
Jose right now is fire fighting with the squad and when he brings in more of his own players we will see others improve.
Pogba will come good I have no doubt and actually think he's been good this season.
Jose right now is fire fighting with the squad and when he brings in more of his own players we will see others improve.
He was good in the first half of the season but he's had a run of some very bad games recently.
I don't know where to start with Pogba. I still have huge hopes for him, he's a terrific athlete when bags of potential, and he's still young, but it's hard to be impressed by what he's showing on the pitch. You wouldn't imagine a player of his stature is lacking confidence, but something is definitely off. Perhaps he just needs a moment, a 20-yard screamer or something to re-ignite his game. Or, as Crackers said above, maybe he just needs to put in a lot more effort.
Coming into a new league, hasn't had a preseason, world's most expensive footballer at 23, joining a team very much in transition, almost never been rested etc. You can understand him having an underwhelming season.
I'll be worried if we don't see an improvement next season.
I'll be worried if we don't see an improvement next season.
So we need 2 more WC mids for him to shine?
Do we really criticize him for a game like last night where not only are we down to 10 men but nearly every time we got the ball it was either smashed out of play or hit straight up the pitch bypassing the midfield?
It was a real pressure environment. I thought the Bournemouth game last week was tough, but this was something else. He was up against the core of a top midfield and was also the one his team mates were relying on to get them out of a tight spot. I think he is nowhere near to the level where he can take that much responsibility. He is being asked to lead when all this life, he has just been dependent on others to the bulk of the midfield work.
Having said that, I think the criticism is justified. With 10 men, we were always going to lose the ball eventually but I was expecting him to do simple things. Hold on to the ball, move it a bit, get some passing going. I was not expecting a lot. Just expecting him to make it difficult for them to get the ball and simply retain possession for some time.
He failed to do any of these. Every time a pass was made to him, he would lose it within seconds. It was so easy to get the ball off him. Knowing when to release the ball is something he just does not know and I have come to the realization that this is something he has to learn altogether. He really struggled to complete passes and that was to players standing close to him.
I just hope Jose knows some way to unlock the hidden potential we know he possesses, because this way of throwing him in the deep end does not seem to be working.
Having said that, I think the criticism is justified. With 10 men, we were always going to lose the ball eventually but I was expecting him to do simple things. Hold on to the ball, move it a bit, get some passing going. I was not expecting a lot. Just expecting him to make it difficult for them to get the ball and simply retain possession for some time.
He failed to do any of these. Every time a pass was made to him, he would lose it within seconds. It was so easy to get the ball off him. Knowing when to release the ball is something he just does not know and I have come to the realization that this is something he has to learn altogether. He really struggled to complete passes and that was to players standing close to him.
I just hope Jose knows some way to unlock the hidden potential we know he possesses, because this way of throwing him in the deep end does not seem to be working.
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