He needs to cut out the off pitch bullshit and pull his head together.
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Totally agree. He did not have a good game but he was the only one who really created anything. I still cannot believe he did not finish that one, but that is United this year (so far)
The big problem with Pogba is that he goes missing for a part of the game. That is consistent with how football is played in Italy. When I watch Serie A games I totally understand where Pogba gets that from. He needs to understand the demands of PL are a lot higher. Sprinting forward is great, but in parts of the game he has to be sprinting back towards his goal just as hard.
It wasn't worse than Mhki's City performance.
The one that got him dropped for about a month?
Exactly!
We have Mata, Martial and Rashford in his position. Not a lot of midfielders in the squad.
Christ they're two extrovert young lads who are best mates and enjoy sharing their fooling around with fans on social media. People need to lighten up a bit.
I can't say it does anything for me but let them have their own personalities. Such a sanitised sport now.
They've made themselves easy targets though. With so much spotlight on them it's understandable that people see them as complacent youngsters who don't have their heads in the game.
I wonder how people today would've reacted to the hedonistic lifestyle of George Best while he was still playing for United. Retired at age 27 before even hitting his prime but still considered a God among United faithful. Que the spins here to rationalize his actions. Didn't know how handle his fame at the time and didn't get help, everyone has demons etc
Haha! Paul Ince. The man Ferguson famously called a "Big Time Charlie" on a documentary.
Someone should tell Paul Ince that he was in a dentist chair getting pissed before Euro 96 and after Inter Milan finished 7th. What a moron.
Someone should tell Paul Ince that he was in a dentist chair getting pissed before Euro 96 and after Inter Milan finished 7th. What a moron.
Should be dropped for tomorrow but he won't be. Would rather see Herrera and Mata ahead of Carrick in the midfield 3.
Disagree. Ince is right there. Sick and tired of seeing players pratting around and not doing the business on the pitch.. shows softness mentally to me.
Oh come on that's bollocks. They've got to be monk's 24/7 unless they are in form?
How does it show a softness mentally? Ryan Giggs was shagging his brothers wife off the pitch and getting us to the Champions League final on it. And it works both ways. You could be an absolute bottler on the field and the perfect person off it. The two dont always go hand in hand.
Not forgetting Paul Pogba has actually won more in his career already than Paul Ince ever did, so maybe singling him out isnt very clever, and probably speaks about Ince's track record of handling players as a manager and his lack of success in that field.
No that isn't the point Ince was making read the article. He said even he would prat around with Giggs but in terms of making that stuff public he'd try and keep a lid on the silly stuff like dancing etc until they do well on the pitch. Seems simple to me.
Giggs shagging around has nothing whatsoever to do with posting social media clips of yourself dancing like a bunch of teenage girls. It is exactly the sort of stuff you'd see Arsenal do.
The Pogba haircuts/Dances etc he does need to cut that crap out until he performs I'm sorry but he does. If you are doing it on the pitch do what you want but when you're not performing you should be minimising any distractions and show that you're being serious.
Paul Ince was a brilliant midfielder and if he stayed here would have won multiple titles and continued to do so. He was also an excellent international midfielder and also done well abroad so he's not some average joe .. he was class.
Pogba is obviously talent wise on a potentially different planet but right here right now some of his recent performances would embarrass an academy graduate making his first few appearances. Absolutely needs to up his game and if ex pros who genuinely have his best interests at heart (guys like Rio and Ince) do have an affinity for the club and am sure want Pogba to do well.. they're just being blunt and giving him good advice. It's not just sticking it to him for the sake of it, that advice made sense and it's logical.
I'm aware of Paul Ince. I'm also aware of his career choices and how he was as a "big time charlie" as Ferguson put it. Ferdinand and Ince hardly have Pogba's best interests at heart. Publicily criticising a young player reeks of people who are desperate to get themselves in the news. You see it all the time, especially with Ferdinand. Its singling out a player, when in reality its more than just him. There's way more people in this side not pulling their weight.
It just amazes me that out of all the ex-United players it was Ferdinand and Ince that came out and had a go at Pogba. Those two must have no self awareness. Rio especially was a walking disaster off the field and missed 8 months of football because of it.
I still find it hard to see a player who's developed significantly from the one who played in the youth team, he still has the same traits. Big, powerful, moments of real quality, but still lacks that desire to be one of the best and take control of a game as often as he should with the ability he possesses.
Who gives a feck really how they look though. Theyre just having a bit of fun. If it provides criticism and the criticism doesnt bother them then I dont see what it changes
Rio has been in a similar boat to Pogba and he hardly strikes me as the type of guy who would do that for publicity. Plenty of videos out there which confirm he has a really good relationship with Pogba and clearly has a lot of affection for him.
Rio too wasn't that serious a footballer but had bundles of talent.. then finally began to be more serious and became the worlds best defender. He's in a good position to tell Pogba what for if he feels it is deserved. He's been there and was ill disciplined in many facets of his life on and off the pitch but came out the other side. These guys aren't trying to look holier than thou they're just saying you need to concentrate on the football and do the talking on the pitch. Fergie would have said the same.
Also Rio is probably one of the better pundits out there and generally talks a lot of sense.
Wouldnt have said it in public, though. He never buried Lee Sharpe in public. Only in private. His seige mentality was often criticised, but it was generally for the betterment of his players.
That's because he's the manager. Rio and Ince are not under the same constraints.
People are getting way too precious over what is justified criticism.
Maybe Ince would be a manager at a high level himself if he had a clue at how to handle players. The facts are, what Rio and Ince are saying to justify their own comments are incredibly hypocritical. Especially that bit when Ince said "we used to dance when we scored, but we werent 6th in the league." Well United hadnt won a league in decades and totally blew the chance to win the title the year before mostly down to what Ferguson claimed as a bunch of players who lacked focus and let it slide away from them. If Ince and Ferdinand came out and said "hey, I was worse when I was around the same age, so he should be careful where its leading him to" then fair enough. But that wasnt what was said. Its ex-players jumping on someone because he seems to enjoy life, instead of missing drug tests to go shopping or shagging his brothers wife. Footballers are generally cnuts. So if there is ever a time to stand up and slag a player off, doing a dance with your mate on instagram is one of those less likely occassions.
As far as being precious goes, that's exactly what this is from people slagging off Pogba and Lingard. Its pointing our problems in a direction when there are far more obvious problems. And have been for a few years. It wasnt Pogba who downed tools when Fergie left.
I don't see how it is hypocritical. If their entire careers consisted of them constantly lacking focus and never being successful for our club I would understand you saying they shouldn't have a say and are being hypocritical.
The point is that Rio for example missed drugs test and during the period of 2002-06, he lacked the focus and toughness that we needed in that backline. A different character like Vidic helped him mature and it made him grow up and he came through that lazy tag and a guy who wasn't focused on his football and he became the worlds best defender.
Ince no doubt might have lost focus the year before like you said but the point is he eventually did mature and United began to dominate the league and won championships.
They came through the criticism that was thrown at them and big time Charlie tags thrown at both of them and showed they can back it up on the pitch.
Pogba isn't the only problem we have. But that childish mentality is something we have seen in this squad ever since that West Ham away game which exposed the boys mentality we have in this squad. Mourinho himself has questioned the mentality of this side and we see it time and time again how we lack that ruthlessness to put sides away.. these things are not a coincidence. What's the difference between the invincibles and Arsenals side now.. they're boys now not men.
You need to project an air of seriousness and ambition on the pitch or people will assume you're abit soft. After Pogbas soft as shit performance against Liverpool and his recent performances the last thing he needs to be doing is dabbing it's cringeworthy when you are not performing well to be doing stuff like that.
When you are out of form, keep your head down and work on your game. I'd rather see some social media clips showing us he's working hard on his game than his dancing skills.
Initially I'm sure all of us liked the dabbing stuff and the team spirit that seemed to be in the squad but when you're completely out of form and the side is still 6th.. just stfu and win us football matches.
The Liverpool performance was doubly awful as he pretty much demonstrated the player they and other club supporters claim he is.
I was fascinated that statistically for a long time this season he was our best player.
I was fascinated that statistically for a long time this season he was our best player.
Hopefully Pogba can perform vs Leicester. It's a massive game and he's been poor lately. A great game from him would be a nice lift to push us forward.
Paul Pogba should never be your best midfielder, there's where it goes wrong. In such a vital are of the pitch, someone whois so mentally unstable, lazy, often blindfolded is killing us. Juventus had Pirlo, Marchisio, Vidal, he had more of a free role. Now he is our main man with Herrera and Carrick not really good enough and we cant have it.
This is right. Pogba and Lingard arsing around like this is pretty harmless and I think it's actually nice to see team mates having a laugh together as mates, can only be good for team spirit and on the pitch. More of a worry is the distraction of the advertising and media commitments etc., seems to have gone in to overdrive recently with Pogba, and not sure how much if it is his choice really.
He'll score today and the recent critics will be back saying he's the greatest.
Surely Rio's words carry more weight then? He's been through the mentality change needed to make it at United.
It's not just this latest video. You sometimes think have these guys bought into their own hype a bit too much. Are they going to carry that onto the field. Sometimes it looks like they have.
He hasn't been on Instagram for 5 days, he must be so focused right now.
Needs one heck of a performance today.
I don't think that's the argument.
Simply put there's a good chance how somebody is off the field will be how they are on the field.
So the next time Pogba has a game that's a bit self indulgent, he wants too much time, takes shots when he should pass, shirks defensive responsibilities etc don't be surprised. Right now that's how he seems to be off the pitch.
It has categorically been the argument from plenty of people.
It hasn't. Nobody claims being on Instagram = No focus.
Instagram along with everything else suggests there's a guy whose bought his own hype. When a player does that on the pitch you can have problems. There's glimpses of that with Pogba.
I think you need to read the thread.
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