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No, you are clutching straws trying to win a battle of pedanticS.
Tell you what: you win the pedantic cup.
Pogba still played shite Either way
Trying like @Ban to win a battle on pedantics is not worth your time or mine!
Expect better from you
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He puts too much pressure on himself, it something that I said about him with France. That's why you are not going to find a lot of people that would understand if the team was built around him.
Ditto. You're all over the place on Pogba since you started that elephant thread. Doubling down at a rate that would make Donald Trump proud.
It's not pedantics. It's saying one thing than saying the other thing just to suit your agenda.
He played shite today, sure.
But we concluded he wasn't shite in all the big games how you claimed.
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Touche!
The thing is, I agreed with you when you started that thread. It felt like people were seeing what they wanted to see. Ragging on other players but ignoring his awful displays. The emperor had no clothes. He's improved a lot though. Really looks to be settling. A shit game shouldn't puncture that optimism any more than Carrick's stinker means he isn't part of our best XI.
I watched some of them. I watched him at the euros, all through Juve's CL run and didn't see him do it in those big games. What did he do against Inter and Roma that was so special?
You're the one who claimed he's been poor in every big game he played.
No I didn't. I said I've yet to see him play well in a really big game. I'm still yet to see that. I can't even remember what he did against Roma and Inter (your so-called big games). What did he do that was so special?
I want the guy to do well in the big games for us. All I'm saying is I have never seen him do well in a big game. So tell me, what was so special about his 'big' game performances in Serie A where Juve ran away with the league for the last three years?
How are games vs Inter, Roma and Milan so called big games.
I saw his games in those how you say 'so called' big games, Italian derbies but so called, whatever, and in some of those game he was bossing it.
Yeah Juve ran away with the title and although you're trying to belittle his peformances cause they ran away with the title it's opposite. He was one of the best Juve players in those years.
Well for a start Inter and Milan have been miles off the pace in Serie A for at least the last three years, so how 'bossing it' against them counts for much I don't know.
Napoli have been the closest team to Juve during that stretch, how did he do in those games? They were the big games I was thinking of in Italy where our Paul disappeared again. As I say, I have yet to see him perform in a big game, unfortunately.
So you're claiming he was poor vs Napoli and Roma (who fight it out with Juve nearly every year)?
I'm saying I've yet to see him shine in the biggest games.
It was Jones error that led to the corner and then why was Pogba assigned to marking Lovren?
He played some nice passes between the lines. Shouldn't have lost it twice but then lPool press like hounds.
He was a key part of our 9 game winning streak so this sudden criticism is a bit of a disgrace imo.
He played some nice passes between the lines. Shouldn't have lost it twice but then lPool press like hounds.
He was a key part of our 9 game winning streak so this sudden criticism is a bit of a disgrace imo.
And that he disapeared in big games in Italy?
I see there's a myth growing and growing among some posters.
You can't force someone to cool things out, it usually has to happen naturally. Unfortunately Pogba needs more time to start playing well consistently and really, that's hardly anything new. Lots of players improve after the first season. Some have instant impacts like Payet and Kante last season, but most don't.
Why do you insist on adding to (making up) what I am saying? It's very odd.
I genuinely asked you for an example of when he has shone in a big game and I get this nonsense.
Really disappointed with him today. Completely hid in the second half after that horroshow in the first.
I made that up?
Napoli, big game, you claimed he would disapear in those which is not true at all.
I just really want him to shine against our main rivals. That is all.
Well I'm glad you witnessed that coz it's a long time since I've seen him shine in a really big game.
1 player who is awful in big games is Ozil. Pogba is nowhere near that bad
Look I don't like overreactions. I'm not saying you overreacted but in general. Sure this season he could and should have been better in big games but he wasn't exactly crap in all of those how some put it and vs Arsenal and Spurs he was good.
He's still 23 but if he doesn't score 2 goals and makes 3 asissts he's bad.
He was awful today, no 2 ways about it but prior to that he's been very good. Yet some try to belittle his performances claiming it's just been relegation fodder and some go to extreme he's a waste of money. Modern fans I guess, I don't know.. But it's really irritating.
I think he's been great in recent months. I was at the Spurs game, the last 'big' home game and I thought he played well without being exceptional. I was at the City game in league cup and I thought he was bang average, despite hitting the post. I'm not slating the guy. I just don't think he puts in MOM performances in the really big games. And I really want him to.
I didn't like the transfer. He's grown on me. Grow up. Digging up posts from the summer. I said I hoped he would do well, I've praised him when he has done well. But I still say he had yet to perform in big games and that's a real worry for me.
Well I thought he did really well against Bayern when playing for Juve. You should check that game out.
I think you need to chill.
I won't go into the rhetoric about how young he is and this is his first season, as the other members would have explained to you already.
There are a couple more big games to go. He will have to go through 12 to 15 more, such as in the FA, League Cups and the Europa League, so there is still plenty of time to judge him.
Besides looking at how badly he did, it is also important to note how well Liverpool set up themselves to defend against him. They had 2 to 3 players to gang up on him once he touched the ball. This will provide him with the experience to learn that he can't overdo things when he gets ganged up. Even the great Messi became anonymous for Argentina when other teams stopped the supply to him.
I will celebrate like feck when he turns it on against a big team. But then I will demand he does that consistently, given his potential he needs to deliver in big games.
Looks like the occasion and the Twitter circus stuff got to him today, tried way too hard to impress when he's seemingly very good at keeping it (reasonably) simple when he tries. Puts too much pressure on himself with all the off-field rubbish IMO. Hopefully calms down a bit in the next year or two, let his obvious ability (as part of a midfield unit, rather than the PP show) do the talking rather than haircuts and hashtags (there's a song in there somewhere).
He's young and still learning. To will stand him in good steed for future games and it's not like we have been here before with other young players. I still think we a lacking leadership in the team and there are players that played previously that through their own game would have taken the pressure off Pogba.
In his post-match interview tonight after Juve 2-1 loss at Fiorentina, Chiellini said Juve are finding difficult life without Pogba because he is the Lebron James of football, his work being impressive even when not in the flashlight.
He really reminded me of Ronaldo in his early years at United today. Gets caught up in the moment and tries to force things when the situation doesn't call for it. It's all happening around him at pace, but he makes it faster than it needs to be. Instead of letting the match come to him and being measured and steady with his play, he wanted to make the pass, make the goal, make the play. He has to trust himself and be patient in these big games to put his mind right. When he missed his big chance in the first half, it impacted him and instead of kicking on from there he panics and gives away the penalty. Then he again tried too hard from that point on and was really rattled.
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