Say one thing he said that is not correct. And why is his advice worthless after him having some insides?After his stint here? I'd hope its minimal and just passing on advice to those in charge.
The man has let the pressure get to him. Talking about changing 10 players in a press conference
He's cracked.
Paul Mitchell - Sporting Director | Now at Newcastle
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No doubt from a managerial perspective, it was a poor choice but i am hoping it would be one of those "in hindsight" moments - a few years down the line, we think it was a great move. Appointing an interim was definitely the right choice as no one was available mid season. We could potentially found someone better to steer the ship but the last thing I want is another false dawn, where these players get a few results/top 4 and we start dishing out more extensions.
The one thing I am "preferring" about the RR appointment - even though top 4 is gone - is that the players have now been called out/exposed - for everyone to see. I genuinely don't think there's a single fan who would side with any of this lot of players in our squad. So if the outcome of the RR appointment results in fundamental changes to the squad (in RR's own words/feedback to the Board we need at least 10 players) and structural changes to the club (the Mitchell appointment, as an example) - then maybe this short term pain was absolutely worth it. It depends if the Board/owners plan on following through as well, I guess.
So we're going to let 'other deciders' (aka people protecting their turf) stop us from making the right appointments?
The Banter United bus rolls on...
So we're going to let 'other deciders' (aka people protecting their turf) stop us from making the right appointments?
The Banter United bus rolls on...
twatter ITK’s said the same thing about ETH before he was announced
I disagree with that. It's only poor if you look at it purely from a managerial aspect, top 4 would have been the goal there, but from the start he was here for bigger reasons.
He's interim so burning bridges doesn't matter, by all accounts he has done exactly what we wanted, identified the problems and started us on the correct path. We've cut the CO92 loose, got actual qualified coaches in, appointed the most promising manager in world football, and it sounds like the squad are in for the shock of their careers this summer. I haven't felt this optimistic about the club since Moyes was here.
Agreed. I think it’s been fairly successful.
I would start to feel really positive if this happens, him and Ragnick providing their input and a top modern coach in Ten Hag.
It just all feels so sensible, so unlike United of recent times.
It just all feels so sensible, so unlike United of recent times.
What's he saying 'Technical Director' and 'Head of Recruitment' are the same position, worded differently?
Who would that be though? There is only Murthough or Arnold above them (the Glazers most likely don't care and have no clue). So with Murtough, we know he wants the change, so it might be Arnold who's influenced by some legacy peopleSo we're going to let 'other deciders' (aka people protecting their turf) stop us from making the right appointments?
The Banter United bus rolls on...
These are just job titles. Technical director is the bland version everything else is creative job titles, what you actually do depends on who you are and who you are working with.
If true it’s clear there’s a few people at board level that seem hell-bent on us remaining shite.
No doubt this massive restructuring of the club is just to appease the protests against Chelsea, in the same way that they appointed those companies to look at the stadium redevelopment ahead of Norwich.. SO TRANSPARENT!! we’re onto you Glaziers!!!!!!!!!
Either that or we’ve actually learned from the past and we’re making positive change.. I dunno.
Either that or we’ve actually learned from the past and we’re making positive change.. I dunno.
Do we?
We have been told that he wants a deputy, most sources claim he wants Andy O'Boyle. Its never been made clear that Murtough wants Paul Mitchell at the club.
I can believe that Murtough might be nervous about making room for a guy he a) doesn't know, b) is an experienced Director of Football in his own right and probably knows the job better than Murtough and c) is making demands about how much power and authority he wants to consider the job. Murtough arrived at United with Moyes and has slowly worked his way up. Why would he want to appoint someone who, people like Arnold might start thinking, could do his job better than he does it?
If Murtough didn't think United was big enough for both him and Nicky Butt I'm not sure he'll be super keen on Paul Mitchell. Then there are other people in the structure who might get hooked, or replaced, if Mitchell comes in. Why would they want this to happen? Plenty of agendas at work at United. Even McTominay was willing to publicly say stuff higher up isn't right at the weekend.
I don't for one second believe many people at United want Rangnick or Mitchell to be anywhere near the club come June.
Mitchell is handling things the wrong way if he wants a big job at United. He needs to go back in time and become a yesman and ally to Woodward. Worked wonders for Murtough.
Actually being good at his job is meaningless.
Actually being good at his job is meaningless.
It does sounds like we'd need to boot Fletcher (or Murtough) or having him as a coach to bring Mitchell in, otherwise it seems like there isn't really a role for him currently available?
Surely we wouldn't get rid of one of these guys before they've had a proper chance to prove their worth?
Surely we wouldn't get rid of one of these guys before they've had a proper chance to prove their worth?
What did Murtough do wrong in his previous job? Genuinely interested as a lot say his recruitment and structuring of the youth set up was very good. What’s the contrasting opinion?
I’m sceptical of this and anything like it happening.
Those at the club who see things the old way as in Ed Woodward signing big names and the whole “were Manchester United” brigade will start to get tetchy and more aggressive as their grip and control over the club and its operations begin to wane.
I think it will be one more major change the club won’t support. I’m also thinking they will start anti briefing on RR.
Those at the club who see things the old way as in Ed Woodward signing big names and the whole “were Manchester United” brigade will start to get tetchy and more aggressive as their grip and control over the club and its operations begin to wane.
I think it will be one more major change the club won’t support. I’m also thinking they will start anti briefing on RR.
In your own opinion what was McT implying in that statement. I think this is the most compelling statement in the recent time but it has gone down the radar.
Do players know what's happening higher up on the management level?
What has he done to be remotely qualified to lead Uniteds massive top to bottom rebuild? Never built a team in his life, but was a good mate of Woodward so that was enough.
Its insane to see the mental gymnastics from people convincing themselves Murtough and Fletcher are more qualified for the job than Rangnick and Mitchell. Never knew there would be a fanclub for Murtough of all people.
We’ve seen how some will defend anything the club do, so it’s no surprise really.
I don’t think it would be a Fletcher replacement. He’d be coming in as head of recruitment.
Rangnick hasn't worked as an everyday DOF, Mitchell record is far from stellar since leaving Southampton, in particular as a DOF. On paper Murtough is as qualified as you would want and Fletcher is definitely an unknown quantity but that's true for anyone that is young.
Jaysus. Really? I don’t follow French football. I thought he was highly rated over there?
Not sure what to make of this, a lot of smoke but it's all being played down.
Yeah but what do you know that he did within the organisation? Whether it was good or bad? Just hoping for some sort of info for your opinion.
Not really, Monaco aren't exactly desperate to keep him, nor were Leipzig. I won't tell you that he did a poor job but he hasn't really done anything that would warrant praises and being highly rated. He is your normal DOF, there is hundreds of people like him in Europe.
The charlatans don't want serious football people showing them up and taking their power away
Murtough was actually brought in by Moyes, he had no connection to Woodward outside of Ed being impressed by him leading to him rising up the ranks.
Hell he built our womens team from scratch.
Murtough was a mate of Woodward? We are talking about the guy who was credited for Everton scouting and analytics under Moyes and appointed PL's head of elite performances?
Its not a question of if we need him, it should what role should we give him.
People getting annoyed because we might not bring in someone who made a few good signings for Spurs years ago and not a lot since.
Yeah this is my understanding of it, after Spurs gave him the boot too. From what I can tell he was very impressive at Southampton then hasn’t done anything of any real note since, depending on if you credit him with bringing Son to Spurs (which if memory serves it was widely reported at the time that it was Poch pushing for that one)
Amusing isn’t it? The guy who managed Spurs gets zero credit for anything they did yet Mitchel who made a few good signings is the fecking oracle. People just jump on a bandwagon and off they go. GIVE HIM WHATEVER JOB HE WANTS!!!!
...Nobody's calling Mauricio
I think its quite clear the players feel the whole thing is falling apart looking at Scott's words:
The players will not be in regular meetings with the staff and the higher ups. However, their agents and other related representatives will be. That will be enough for them to get a good feel for what is going on.
Also, if there is tension between different people at the club, or people are going in different directions, it will be more visible to them. They will hear and see things around the club that we don't. They will also get feedback about different people about how X, Y and Z are actually doing in their jobs.
There will be a reason why McTominay felt the need to throw everything into the mix (as well as a reason why he wasn't fussed about doing so publicly). It doesn't paint a happy picture.
It will become inevitable eventually if we keep failing though. The clowns at the club are probably hoping to find another Fergie, who can run the football side of the club on his own and take the pressure off them. If Ten Hag proves to be another failed appointment and we continue to languish in mid-table I think Joel and Avram will bite the bullet and replace their mates with actual qualified football men.
Of course there are, starting with Glazers and down from there. There idea of data analysis is Twitter followers or projected shirt sales. Woodward was wedded to the galictico model and if money available we are yet to see whether we now go for a more long term strategy. Appointing Fletcher to his job has pretty much destroyed my hope of a real football structure emerging. I keep saying it there are proven and experienced professionals out there, but the club refuses to hire them. The question remains why...