Patrick Dorgu | 2024/25 Performances

There were plenty of times last night when he was one on one with the fullback and didn't even try to go around him. Just passed it backwards or inside.
We really need our wingbacks to be able to beat a man. I'm not seeing it with Dorgu, doesn't seem to have that skill/ability which is going to limit us I fear. Its very rare that someone suddenly develops this at his age, you either have it or you don't.
 
The Purley King said:
There were plenty of times last night when he was one on one with the fullback and didn't even try to go around him. Just passed it backwards or inside.
We really need our wingbacks to be able to beat a man. I'm not seeing it with Dorgu, doesn't seem to have that skill/ability which is going to limit us I fear. Its very rare that someone suddenly develops this at his age, you either have it or you don't.
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Yeah I'm worried about the fact that he doesn't look like someone who has the mentality and ability to take people on. All our wing backs seem to lack the "winger" bit that is required. I can accept that if they were here before Amorim where that wasn't crucial requirement but Dorgu is the first signing and he looks like a fullback more than a wingback.
 
he was against probably best RB in the league and managed to play high up, some nice passages of play with one touch passing, yes also some poor misplaced passes. But I feel he is not our problem, he creates passing opportunities, opens space on the flank, crosses the ball, does what is required.
 
He's had some very good games, some very bad games, and some games where he's just been 'decent'. In other words, his performances have been a bit all over the place so far.

As time goes on I expect he'll become a bit more consistent but the question will be where that consistency will be. Consistently good, bad or decent. If I had to take a guess I'd say probably 'decent' which means ultimately he won't be good enough as a starter for where we want to be, but he can do a job for now. And hopefully he'll surprise me and be better than that.
 
Not ready. makes me wonder why did we spend this much for him . If we wanted an young option, why did we not consider Alvaro ?

Anyways, we still need a left wing back in Summer.
 
bond19821982 said:
Not ready. makes me wonder why did we spend this much for him . If we wanted an young option, why did we not consider Alvaro ?

Anyways, we still need a left wing back in Summer.
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He lacks the physical traits required for wing back under Amorim, Dorgu is fast and strong, Alvaro is neither.
 
Was he really that bad?
He looked good against Sociedad.

I guess we can't judge him properly til next season.
 
next_number_seven said:
Was he really that bad?
He looked good against Sociedad.

I guess we can't judge him properly til next season.
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He was. He and Garnacho were basically in a battle of their own to see who could be the worst player on the pitch, but Garna did improve enough in the last 20-30 minutes that Dorgu ended up 'winning' that battle (despite improving a bit himself in the last 10 or so minutes).
 
MadDogg said:
He was. He and Garnacho were basically in a battle of their own to see who could be the worst player on the pitch, but Garna did improve enough in the last 20-30 minutes that Dorgu ended up 'winning' that battle (despite improving a bit himself in the last 10 or so minutes).
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I strongly disagree. Garnacho was comfortably the worst. Dorgu was poor but he was comfortably better than Garnacho.
 
The last 20 minutes were quite okay. The first 70 minutes were sloppy. His worst performance for us, but he is young.
 
Scarecrow said:
Are you talking about Alvaro Carreras? Everyone on the Benfica subreddit is raving about his physicality.
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He was here a few years ago and unless he's massively transformed, even in the youth teams his physicality was a clear weakness
 
He was playing against a packed defence and in the 2nd half had to play inside in the final 3rd to allow Garnacho to play wide. Not ideal, but part of the learning curve for a young player.
 
I love his attitude and physicality but to call him raw would be an understatement. His passing needs serious work.
 
We're skint, there's no chance we've spent that money on him to be a squad development option. Kerkez was the best option but here we are and we have to make do and hope he develops
Godfather said:
Just tell me he isn't going to be our starting LWB next season. We need someone way better for that position and give him time to develop his game
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Glorio said:
He was here a few years ago and unless he's massively transformed, even in the youth teams his physicality was a clear weakness
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He was a kid here. Elanga was also a featherweight 2 years ago. Most men get bigger in their early 20s.
 
His passing issues seem to be mostly a concentration thing. Seemed completely off it yesterday. In terms of crossing, I think he is able to put in a decent one, but there is hardly ever anyone to aim for (except for when Maguire is put up there in desperation).
 
Ekeke said:
The last 10 mins he was throwing the ball into the box any chance he got and the crosses were slightly better. He was doing it because Maguire was up front
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Yeah, he has it in his locker, just wish the team in general would show a bit more intensity earlier on when we're not a goal down.
 
big_jeffstar said:
They put an extra man on him for like 90% of the game.. early in the first half he was having to come into midfield to get onto the ball.. Forest spent the entire match stopping us playing.. they didn’t turn up to go toe to toe with us, and Dorgu suffered as a result.. not sure how he’s supposed to drive at players when he’s marked out of the game
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I suppose the top fullbacks of the world find a way.
Would just like him to try to attack the defenders more, given his strength and pace, especially when there's space ahead. He did a lot of jogging with the ball and passing back or sideways yesterday.
Fair enough Forest had everyone back but you need the wingbacks to take people on in our system.
 
It will take some time for him to adapt, from playing for Lecce youth team just two seasons ago, to playing in Premier League.

I'm not surprised on what he's incapable of. He's as good as all those clips showed when we were linked with him. Some people just refused to watch them but prefer to read stats or comments, which is strange when such important resources were available. But I'm surprised that he's physically (strength-wise) can compete with seasoned PL players.
 
He works hard, but he seems like he is on a completely different wavelength to his teammates.

I’d also like to see him take on his man more. Feels a bit like he is trying to play it safe, perhaps overthinking things a little, and giving the ball away more than needed in the process.
 
Scarecrow said:
He was a kid here. Elanga was also a featherweight 2 years ago. Most men get bigger in their early 20s.
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Elanga was not a feather weight. Even for the first team, physicality was always a strength of his, which is he played a lot for RR.

I can see how Alvaro could get stronger, but I'm unconvinced about a marked improvement in explosiveness and speed. Not saying it 100% hasn't happened or can't happen (that would be remiss of me considering I haven't watched him since), it's just really hard to believe judging from the player we had a few years back
 
Cee90 said:
He works hard, but he seems like he is on a completely different wavelength to his teammates.

I’d also like to see him take on his man more. Feels a bit like he is trying to play it safe, perhaps overthinking things a little, and giving the ball away more than needed in the process.
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He'll be fine. part of it is just getting comfortable with his team, the league and general confidence.
He needs to improve his concentration and tidy uo those loose passes.

Amorim can also help by not putting Garnacho on that side. Between Him, Garnacho and Yoro, the avarage age on that left side was 19 in the 2nd half. We needed some maturity on that side. Then there's Garnacho style of play and general decision making, which almost makes having a wing back obsolete.
 
We are where we are at the moment and that means being unable to purchase ready made stars and going for more project players. Dorgu has all the attributes to be a very decent wing back and I’m sure will develop over the next couple of years.

Good news is that we have Harry Amass who seems extremely talented- he just needs to develop physically to fit Ruben’s system. We also have just bought a very promising player in Diego Leon who is extremely attacking and a huge prospect. You would hope one of those three willl make an impact here in the future
 
Rasmus_9 said:
We are where we are at the moment and that means being unable to purchase ready made stars and going for more project players. Dorgu has all the attributes to be a very decent wing back and I’m sure will develop over the next couple of years.

Good news is that we have Harry Amass who seems extremely talented- he just needs to develop physically to fit Ruben’s system. We also have just bought a very promising player in Diego Leon who is extremely attacking and a huge prospect. You would hope one of those three willl make an impact here in the future
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Agreed, between the three of them, we shouldn't need to invest in a LWB anytime soon.
The requirements for that role is actually quite straightforward, you can get away with having a 20 year old. The brain and decision makers are the 10s, that's where we need to invest.
 
The Purley King said:
There were plenty of times last night when he was one on one with the fullback and didn't even try to go around him. Just passed it backwards or inside.
We really need our wingbacks to be able to beat a man. I'm not seeing it with Dorgu, doesn't seem to have that skill/ability which is going to limit us I fear. Its very rare that someone suddenly develops this at his age, you either have it or you don't.
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Depends on what you define as beating a man, he's got the pace/power to breeze past someone if they are not 100% switched on or if he's overlapping - that for me is enough. We need the balance in my opinion, the PL is an unforgiving league and I think Amorim really likes the Dorgu/Dalot profile (tall, athletic, strong, good but not great all round) they can put crosses in, be an aerial threat at both ends but the creativity and real dribbling ability needs to come from the 10's. I don't think he's an 'attacking' manager who will actually play 2WBs who are winger, 2 10s and a CF as we had plenty of chances to put Garnacho, Antony etc. in those spots when we were basically losing week after week. I think that's how it should be in this leage, too many teams are elite at pressing/countering now.

Think of Cunha/Amad as a pair for example, what a nightmare for a defensive line to try and figure out with a CF who plays off the shoulder. They can take the ball basically anywhere and will dribble either way, can score, can pass and are very nippy.
 
Too early to assess Dorgu imo. Just like Amorim, he was parachuted into a losing side in transition - mid season; and we are not likely to see his true potential until Amorim himself has a full summer window to tweak the squad into something that looks more like an Amorim side than the forced leftover of ETH.
 
I'm honestly quite surprised by just how down on Dorgu a lot of people seem to be.

I think he's raw, and he's had his share of poor performances, but to my mind it's been patently obvious that we've gotten much better since adding him to the team. (Admittedly, the bar was quite low with Dalot filling in at left wing-back beforehand)

I've seen absolutely nothing to suggest that Dorgu isn't an asset to us. I think the reality people need to come to terms with is that the type of left wing-back they were hoping for us to sign (a phenomenal athlete who is also fully formed technically) wouldn't have been available to us in January nor the summer unless we spent around 50 million. I think it's fair to suggest that some compromise was necessary, and acceptable, in that position. We prioritised the physical attributes in signing Dorgu, and I wholeheartedly believe that was the correct thing to do.
 
The next couple of seasons will show if he turns into Malacia or Valencia for us. Young, fit player with physical attributes, who can operate on both wings, I think it was clear we were buying him for that and for the fact that he can immediately fit into managers progressive setup.

He will improve because he will get games right now when we we are rebuilding or anytime the first option (Amad/next WB) is out after the window shuts in the summer as he can play both sides.
 
Far too many complete assessments and assumptions being made in this thread about a young player(U21) not more than ten games into his new career in the toughest football league in world football playing for one of the hardest teams to play for in world football (for various reasons).
 
BAMSOLA said:
Far too many complete assessments and assumptions being made in this thread about a young player(U21) not more than ten games into his new career in the toughest football league in world football playing for one of the hardest teams to play for in world football (for various reasons).
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It's particularly bizarre given that he's not even been bad.

He's raw and inconsistent but considering that, as you say, he's 20 years old and has just made a pretty major step up in his career I think he's done pretty well. As I say, the team has fairly obviously benefited from his addition.
 
Like all January signings, unless they’re world class by the mid of February, you’re better off getting rid.
 
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