Patrick Dorgu | 2024/25 Performances

Why do we buy such technically poor players.

Because it seems to be a binary choice of technically poor with great physicality, or physically great but shit at football. The ones who tick both boxes cost money, we don’t have any of that stuff anymore.

The ones with the sliders in the middle on both are unexciting, or British (or both), and subject to online toy throwing.
 
But, I’m not seeing the issues that others are at the moment. Tonight wasn’t his best game, but inconsistency is par for the course for a player at his age. You guys need to chill.
 
I am not scout and rarely watched this guy but few youtube clips were enough to realize that his technique and ball control is poor.
On the other hand, he does have some other useful skills.

Amorim knows why he signed him i guess.
 
Lay off the lad ffs...

He finally grew into the game late on and actually ended it quite strongly. Tonight, for the first hour or so, he was rough but looked well short of match fitness - he has missed games.

He will be fine...
Yeah and he's still very young. We just can't be relying on him too much at this point.
 
feck me, his technical level is in the floor. Needs heavy heavy coaching. He should be looking at Dumfries as an example of a physical beast wing back who can at least do the basics right.
 
Agree with Martin o Neil on tnt, he should be driving at the defenders more, that should be the wingbacks role in this set up. It was only in the last 20 minutes when he really started getting forward with any intensity.
You’d have to put a bit of blame on the coach for that too.
 
He’s still raw at the moment. He’s also still young, still in development stage.
 
Other young players play and you can immediately tell they have top level technique. They don’t misplace easy passes with zero pressure on them. Dorgu did it 3 times in less than 5 minutes tonight. It’s just not there, he makes mistakes good players never ever make.
 
I can't remember who said it on here, that he's not a very good carrier of the ball. I disagreed at the time, based on some of the highlights I had watched. I may be wrong.
 
I thought he was better in the last 10 mins when the shackles came off.
he seemed reluctant to cross the ball for most of the match, passing the ball backwards more often than not. Reminded me a bit of AWB in that way. A lot of wayward passes particularly second half. He’s young and has shown enough for me not to condemn him just yet. But for a team like Utd, perhaps he should be an understudy rather than a starter.
 
He was quite poor today, probably the worst with Garnacho.
 
He's fecking 20 and came from Lecce for fecks sake. He obviously is no where near the finished article, but he's quite clearly improved our attacks and general play on the left, in my opinion. All within a very short time period, at a young age.
 
Because it seems to be a binary choice of technically poor with great physicality, or physically great but shit at football. The ones who tick both boxes cost money, we don’t have any of that stuff anymore.

The ones with the sliders in the middle on both are unexciting, or British (or both), and subject to online toy throwing.
It's funny how so many other clubs in the Premier league seem to be able to find these players without spending a huge amount of money
 
Agree with Martin o Neil on tnt, he should be driving at the defenders more, that should be the wingbacks role in this set up. It was only in the last 20 minutes when he really started getting forward with any intensity.
You’d have to put a bit of blame on the coach for that too.

The last 10 mins he was throwing the ball into the box any chance he got and the crosses were slightly better. He was doing it because Maguire was up front
 
The team are clearly better with him in it, didn't cross enough tonight but at least he tries to get forward. I'd sooner have him playing than Dalot.
 
Because it seems to be a binary choice of technically poor with great physicality, or physically great but shit at football. The ones who tick both boxes cost money, we don’t have any of that stuff anymore.

The ones with the sliders in the middle on both are unexciting, or British (or both), and subject to online toy throwing.

We spent plenty of money on him

The wingbacks who cost more than he did are already playing at good clubs and have proven themselves far more than he has.

Brighton are constantly buying players who look pretty good for quite a bit less than his fee and in previous seasons they were using wingbacks as well. They've come away from it this season while we've started doing it, which is ironic. It can be done, we're just bad at finding those players and getting the deals done before other big clubs get involved.
 
Has anyone seen his passing stats from his time in Italy, how is anyone surprised that he can’t pass??!

He was clearly not our first choice, Nuno mendes from PSG was our first choice.
 
We spent plenty of money on him

The wingbacks who cost more than he did are already playing at good clubs and have proven themselves far more than he has.

Brighton are constantly buying players who look pretty good for quite a bit less than his fee and in previous seasons they were using wingbacks as well. They've come away from it this season while we've started doing it, which is ironic. It can be done, we're just bad at finding those players and getting the deals done before other big clubs get involved.

I doubt it's that simple.

Players don't want to jump and join United anymore.

Avoiding a big name club and going to a more middle level club is better suited to many players development before taking the next step up later on.

Elanga, Cunha, nearly half of Brightons transfers and all have or will take a similar route. Garnacho is arguably one of the most irritating players at United right now but that's heavily due to expectations of both the player and the club. Garnacho at Brighton, Nottingham Forest or Wolves would have plenty of time to grow with much limited pressure in a stage of development before moving to a top club.
 
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I doubt it's that simple.

Players don't want to jump and join United anymore.

Avoiding a big name club and going to a more middle level club is better suited to many players development before taking the next step up later on.

Elanga, Cunha, nearly half of Brightons transfers and all have or will take a similar route. Garnacho is arguably one of the most irritating players at United right now but that's heavily due to expectations of both the player and the club. Garnacho at Brighton, Nottingham Forest or Wolves would have plenty of time to grow with much limited pressure in a stage of development before moving to a top club.

You're right he'd have less pressure from fans, but he'd have to play better to get into the team at Brighton than at United at the moment. So that would even things up. He'd want to play. Thats what we can offer that clubs doing better than us might not be able to.
 
The team are clearly better with him in it, didn't cross enough tonight but at least he tries to get forward. I'd sooner have him playing than Dalot.
Apart from that Dalot played quite well yesterday, for a change, I think Dorgu’s biggest issue in that game, apart from that he reacted slow to Elanga at the goal and lost all confidence on the ball in the second half, was that Garnacho seeks the same spaces he was and just had a shocker himself. Dorgu was much better in the first half when allowed to play on the outside.
 
Just tell me he isn't going to be our starting LWB next season. We need someone way better for that position and give him time to develop his game
 
How do you guys get through the day with all the negativity?

- He's 20, from a different country, having been playing in a different league.
- He's been in and out of the team.
- He's been pretty exciting in most of the games so far and offered us something different than we'd seen before him.

Saying he had a bad game, or has played better, or even that he needs to improve makes sense. Writing him off is absolutely mental behaviour.
 
Agree with Martin o Neil on tnt, he should be driving at the defenders more, that should be the wingbacks role in this set up. It was only in the last 20 minutes when he really started getting forward with any intensity.
You’d have to put a bit of blame on the coach for that too.
They put an extra man on him for like 90% of the game.. early in the first half he was having to come into midfield to get onto the ball.. Forest spent the entire match stopping us playing.. they didn’t turn up to go toe to toe with us, and Dorgu suffered as a result.. not sure how he’s supposed to drive at players when he’s marked out of the game
 
Lot of hysteria in here. He's the same player he was after Sociedad when everyone was wetting themselves with joy. Yes, he's technically limited. He'll probably improve, but it'll never be a strength. That's how we got him for £25m in January.

That wasn't really the problem yesterday. The difference between yesterday and vs Sociedad was that he wasn't playing the position properly, because once again Garnacho was trying to play as a conventional winger and they were in the same spaces. Dorgu couldn't attack the wide areas because Garnacho was already pulling defenders into them. He improved in the last half hour because one or other of those substitutions changed our shape enough that Garna finally came more central where he should have been the whole time. Then we saw that vs-Sociedad Dorgu again, who doesn't need to be technically all that because the brief is just explode past the defender in a wide position then cross nicely, which he did a few times in the latter stages of the game, including for the header Maguire put wide.

He did give the ball away a lot but to my eye so did everyone else. We only managed to dominate possession (at least until the last half hour when we were plainly just much better than them) because Forest were giving it back as cheaply as we we giving it away.

Of course he's not the long term solution we want if we plan to be winning titles in three years or whatever. But there's no reason to overreact to this game and decide he's a problem for us right now. For me, he's still what he was before: a cheap square peg for an important square hole.
 
Lot of hysteria in here. He's the same player he was after Sociedad when everyone was wetting themselves with joy. Yes, he's technically limited. He'll probably improve, but it'll never be a strength. That's how we got him for £25m in January.

That wasn't really the problem yesterday. The difference between yesterday and vs Sociedad was that he wasn't playing the position properly, because once again Garnacho was trying to play as a conventional winger and they were in the same spaces. Dorgu couldn't attack the wide areas because Garnacho was already pulling defenders into them. He improved in the last half hour because one or other of those substitutions changed our shape enough that Garna finally came more central where he should have been the whole time. Then we saw that vs-Sociedad Dorgu again, who doesn't need to be technically all that because the brief is just explode past the defender in a wide position then cross nicely, which he did a few times in the latter stages of the game, including for the header Maguire put wide.

He did give the ball away a lot but to my eye so did everyone else. We only managed to dominate possession (at least until the last half hour when we were plainly just much better than them) because Forest were giving it back as cheaply as we we giving it away.

Of course he's not the long term solution we want if we plan to be winning titles in three years or whatever. But there's no reason to overreact to this game and decide he's a problem for us right now. For me, he's still what he was before: a cheap square peg for an important square hole.
It certainly seemed like he gave the ball away in promising situations more than others and for all garnacho was poor I don't think you can blame him for dorgu being unable to make a five yard pass.

Lots of people had issues with this signing because of how raw he seemed at a time we desperately need more quality.

I worry about our new strategy of gambling on young talent given we seemingly still don't have the setup to enable us to do it competently.

I also don't think the fee we signed him for is as insignificant as some are making out. Chelsea signed gusto for a similar amount who was much more highly rated at the tome and how much did bournemouth sign kerkez for?
 
Bad game, but he has played well enough in the others so we can assume it was a blip
 
DIdnt do as bad as is being made out last night in my view, go back a few pages and posters on here we're looking at him as the next big thing, amazing the impact one game can have on people's opinions
 
Strange, detached game from him. Didn't look right at all.

But this is why we can't go into next season banking on him and possibly another young player at RWB.

I keep banging this drum but these gutys are too young to be first choice.
 
DIdnt do as bad as is being made out last night in my view, go back a few pages and posters on here we're looking at him as the next big thing, amazing the impact one game can have on people's opinions
I didn't think he was all that before we signed him and I'm still trying to work him out. He's just joined though so he needs patience and time.
 
Understand why we got him, he's physically ready, injury free player who can owen that wing on a day, but he comes very raw, sort of like Evra mid season, with slightly different qualities but not too much. Touch after touch going wrong for him in the second half, Another player there and we could have created better chances, but that happens. He's a solid player for future foundations, but the leap from Lecce to EPL pace and intensity is just too big now. Unfortunately we don't have many options there.
 
Everyone says to buy kids, then when we buy them we sht on them because they are not ready. Rinse and repeat. We will see in 3 to 4 years how good he can be. In the meantime, we will have numerous posts where he plays a good game and everyone will say told you so, he's class then he will have a bad game and he's the worst player in the world.
 
Everyone says to buy kids, then when we buy them we sht on them because they are not ready. Rinse and repeat. We will see in 3 to 4 years how good he can be. In the meantime, we will have numerous posts where he plays a good game and everyone will say told you so, he's class then he will have a bad game and he's the worst player in the world.
Exactly. How many wanted Quenda (17) to become the starting RWB? Let's give Dorgu some time.
 
But, I’m not seeing the issues that others are at the moment. Tonight wasn’t his best game, but inconsistency is par for the course for a player at his age. You guys need to chill.

It's early days and I am not judging Dorgu - but is he creative enough, is his passing good enough ? Well I am not convinced. He has pace, he has stamina - and that will take him far. But is he good enough to be a regular for a team wanting to win the league - hm....I am not convinced
 
This forum yo-yos so hard on this kid. One match, he's the bright shining promise of future, next he's the end of days for Manchester United FC
 
It wasn't a good game but he still should have had an assist. Put in a lovely ball at the end for Maguire who cleared the ball away instead. :lol:

He's clearly got talent and his strengths means he's a good fit for the PL.
 
This forum yo-yos so hard on this kid. One match, he's the bright shining promise of future, next he's the end of days for Manchester United FC
So true. :lol: We should just be patient and see. Joining our dumpster fire of a club in January and had good moments. I’m quite positive to be fair.