Patrice Evra | 2008-12 Performances

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untitled_6899 said:
Disappointing again, every goal came from his area on the pitch. We really need someone that can challenge for his place as at times it is a glaring weakness in our team.

Made some amends in winning the first penalty.
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I know it's popular (and sometimes justified) to criticise Evra, but that is totally ridiculous.

The 2nd goal was a fabulous cross from Torres and a super finish, not much he could have done about that. The third he gave away the free-kick for... but people give away plenty of free-kicks in games.
 
He's still very good going forward and he's important to the team in adding attacking thrust to the team but it's ridiculous how much of a liability he is.

Annihilate Now! said:
I know it's popular (and sometimes justified) to criticise Evra, but that is totally ridiculous.

The 2nd goal was a fabulous cross from Torres and a super finish, not much he could have done about that. The third he gave away the free-kick for... but people give away plenty of free-kicks in games.
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Looked like he went walkabout for the second tucking in too much yet again. Why was Torres in so much space?
 
Anderson8 said:
Maybe he should become a winger. Just a thought.
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He isn't a great crosser of the ball, he has only 13 assists in 183 Premier League appearances, which is one every 14 games or so. He moves well with the ball but the end product isn't up to scratch for a winger, that said, if he played on the wings then he would have more opportunity to cross the ball.

He's still very good going forward and he's important to the team in adding attacking thrust to the team but it's ridiculous how much of a liability he is.
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He links well with his winger in an attacking sense and does travel well with the ball but he doesn't create enough and his defensive lapses have been concerning for a few seasons now. Surely we need to be looking at other options or at least giving him some legitimate competition for his position.
 
He played a part in all three Chelsea goals today.

Didn't Evans play at LB for NI?
 
He was turned too easily today. Sturidge had him where he wanted him, on a yellow card and was beating him most times. Then he got subbed off and the pressure went straight off him. Could have done better for the first goal, but cant fault him for the others. Sure the cross came in from his area, but Mata was unmarked in the box ffs. Tony V just watched as Rafeal struggled marking 2 players.
 
That first goal was horrific, Rio was covering the other side so why Evra went that way is unknown to me, should never have let Sturridge past. He's been pretty good at times this season as well.
 
Mr Anderson said:
He was turned too easily today. Sturidge had him where he wanted him, on a yellow card and was beating him most times. Then he got subbed off and the pressure went straight off him. Could have done better for the first goal, but cant fault him for the others. Sure the cross came in from his area, but Mata was unmarked in the box ffs. Tony V just watched as Rafeal struggled marking 2 players.
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Really? He gave away a very stupid and needless free kick that was then headed in by Luiz via Ferdinand!

I thought that Tony V failed to pressure and track on a few occasions today.
 
Garethw said:
He played a part in all three Chelsea goals today.

Didn't Evans play at LB for NI?
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Nonsense.

Brwned said:
He's still very good going forward and he's important to the team in adding attacking thrust to the team but it's ridiculous how much of a liability he is.
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No he hadn't, as the play was building up, he was tracking his man (Sturridge) who drifted inside, so Evra went with him... Rio had conversely drifted out as that's where Torres had gone... they then obviously decided to switch as the ball went out wide to the byline, as nobody expected Torres to cross from where he did. He then did his best to cut out the cross, but it was a fantastic ball... there is no way that goal was his fault.
 
To be honest, if the defence is solid enough and the team performs well enough, you can afford to have players who are mainly only good at attacking in that position, take Dani Alves, Marcelo, Maicon and Evra keeping his place in the team despite mistakes. Some of those are regarded as the best in the world in their position, but don't get tested defensively at all.

Perhaps he will always keep his place in the team despite performances (within reason) and the waiting game will be played until the team can start doing a bit better and conceding less chances/possession and players like Evra can settle down again enjoying the attacking freedom without many consequences.

If it starts to become a huge problem then perhaps wiser to use someone better at defending in that position - if we even have that guy in our squad.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
Really? He gave away a very stupid and needless free kick that was then headed in by Luiz via Ferdinand!

I thought that Tony V failed to pressure and track on a few occasions today.
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We should have defended the incoming FK properly then. People give dangerous free kicks away every game, it's how you deal with them which is the important part.

Saying it's his fault is akin to saying it's the fault of whoever gave up possession to Chelsea in that phase of play... as if they hadn't given them the ball, Sturidge wouldn't have run at Evra, and he wouldn't have given away a Free Kick.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
We should have defended the incoming FK properly then. People give dangerous free kicks away every game, it's how you deal with them which is the important part.

Saying it's his fault is akin to saying it's the fault of whoever gave up possession to Chelsea in that phase of play... as if they hadn't given them the ball, Sturidge wouldn't have run at Evra, and he wouldn't have given away a Free Kick.
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Watch the game again. It was a criminal free kick to give away, he just stuck a lazy leg out, especially when Chelsea have a player with a left foot like Mata's and we have problems with De Gea in those situations. Sure we defended it poorly but that is probably the worst possible place to give a free kick in a crossing position to someone with a left foot like Mata.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
Watch the game again. It was a criminal free kick to give away, he just stuck a lazy leg out, especially when Chelsea have a player with a left foot like Mata's and we have problems with De Gea in those situations. Sure we defended it poorly but that is probably the worst possible place to give a free kick in a crossing position to someone with a left foot like Mata.
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The point still stands, free-kicks like that are given away every game... Sturridge fooled him and was too quick for Evra. The important thing is to defend the incoming set piece... and the real crime of the whole peice was the horrific marking.

If we had defended it properly, it would have been no goal. Simple as that. We conceded the goal because we marked poorly... yes Evra conceded a FK, but who gave up possession before that? and before that? and so on...
 
Annihilate Now! said:
The point still stands, free-kicks like that are given away every game... Sturridge fooled him and was too quick for Evra. The important thing is to defend the incoming set piece... and the real crime of the whole peice was the horrific marking.

If we had defended it properly, it would have been no goal. Simple as that. We conceded the goal because we marked poorly... yes Evra conceded a FK, but who gave up possession before that? and before that? and so on...
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he was caught flat footed on the first no where to be found on the 2nd and gave away a foul (yellow card as well , lazy as feck on the play) on the 3rd. from my POV that's three goals from his side of the pitch , not only that but from his position on said pitch.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
The point still stands, free-kicks like that are given away every game... Sturridge fooled him and was too quick for Evra. The important thing is to defend the incoming set piece... and the real crime of the whole peice was the horrific marking.

If we had defended it properly, it would have been no goal. Simple as that. We conceded the goal because we marked poorly... yes Evra conceded a FK, but who gave up possession before that? and before that? and so on...
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I disagree, it was poor defending in my book to stick a lazy leg out in that situation. If it was a young player that did it we would be saying that he was showing his inexperience. It was a poor decision that cost us.
 
mu77 said:
he was caught flat footed on the first no where to be found on the 2nd and gave away a foul (yellow card as well , lazy as feck on the play) on the 3rd. from my POV that's three goals from his side of the pitch , not only that but from his position on said pitch.
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Nonsense. Watch the goal again, that's simply not true. He was following his man (Sturridge) and Rio was tracking his man (Torres)... as most defenders would do. Then, when the ball shifted out wide to Torres who was away on the touchline, they decided it best to switch before Torres made his way to the edge of the box... I don't think either anticipated Torres would swing in an early cross... and why would you?? To say he was nowhere to be found is a lazy, lazy criticism.

As for the 3rd, as I've just been saying... I'd put more stock in the fact that we can't defend a very simple, very routine set play then the fact that we gave away a free-kick.
 
still when looking at the replay he's no where to be found and it maybe me being lazy from your POV on my post but I put more into it than pat did in his "challenge" on sturridge. he had a fecking mare end of. he had a hand in all three of their goals. he followed his man into the crowed part of the pitch for that cross by the way.
 
He s slowly becoming the weak link of our defence. I really don t know what's going on with him. Up to a season or so ago, he was one of the team's best performers, week in week out, now he s changed so much... for the worse.
 
lol - all 3 goals were Evra's fault? This is just getting ridiculous. Am guessing at this point if Evra had given the ball away 5 minutes before a goal, someone is going to point to ... well if Evra hadn't done that we wouldn't have conceded.

As for Torres cross - um the left winger is supposed to provide some cover when the rest of the team has become compact, just because the cross came from the side Evra covers doesn't make it his fault - absolutely ridiculous to blame Evra because the goal happened to come from that side.

Definitely at fault for getting done by Sturridge for the first and am guessing he was trying to not let him get on to his stronger foot for a shot - then again the way the pitchfork are out for Evra - if he Sturridge had got a shot off on his stronger foot, people would have said he is brain dead for not covering Sturridge's stronger side.
 
rio had his back on sturridges stronger left side. he got done didn't he. he lazily stuck out a leg on the free kick because wait for it he got done. same shit damn near every match.
 
Lazily he won the first penalty didn't he. Get freakin grip. Evra covers the most ground and throwing claims he is lazing about his job is pathetically lazy.
 
I can't fathom why he can't correct his one on one-defending? It's not like he doesn't know what's wrong! He simply stands on his heels, instead of staying on his toes and backtrack, reading the opponent and then get his body in front.. Instead he just stands there, and has no chance if any quickish player plays the ball past him.

For a defender whose best part of his defensive work was his one on one-capabilities, he's not half declining.
 
Evra comes as a package. We'll just have to overlook some of his deficiencies because overall he is very important to the teams success. Similarly, Hernandez is only worth keeping in the team due to his fantastic movement in the penalty area. Outside of the area he occasionally looks like a pub player.
 
mu77 said:
rio had his back on sturridges stronger left side. he got done didn't he. he lazily stuck out a leg on the free kick because wait for it he got done. same shit damn near every match.
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We'll just have to credit to the attacker for mugging Evra. Our wingers do it every week. Those pundits on TV need to sound clever to earn their money.
 
Sultan said:
Evra comes as a package. We'll just have to overlook some of his deficiencies because overall he is very important to the teams success. Similarly, Hernandez is only worth keeping in the team due to his fantastic movement in the penalty area. Outside of the area he occasionally looks like a pub player.
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Evra's a defender. If he can't do his main job properly, then there's a problem somewhere, feck the package. At least Hernandez scores goals, which is his main job
 
I think if it was someone else playing as he does at the moment, we'd be far less patient.
 
adexkola said:
Evra's a defender. If he can't do his main job properly, then there's a problem somewhere, feck the package. At least Hernandez scores goals, which is his main job
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He does his job as well as any other if not better. Hernandez misses opportunities. Defenders can do their job for 99% of the game and one mistake they will get lambasted and blamed for everything. Striker can be invisible for 99% and score a goal and be hailed as motm.
 
We need a left back who can defend because Evra apparently doesn't really think it's part of his job description anymore.
 
We sold Heinze for less mistakes than Evra has been making. The biggest problem at the moment is that everyone loves him. He's Patrice, but both he and Park have been on a steady decline over the last year. Good here and there, but their performances are becoming less and less remarkable. It's time somebody else stood up and became first choice left back. It'd be nice to have his explosion of pace and skill coming off the bench.
 
I'm starting to grow impatient with Evra. It's not that he makes mistakes, it's that he makes so fecking basic mistakes which can easily be rectified. Him getting skinned is something he can work on at the training ground, and should work on, because it's becoming the way teams try to hurt us.

It must be bloody difficult to play CB at Evra's side.
 
marchi-91 said:
We sold Heinze for less mistakes than Evra has been making. The biggest problem at the moment is that everyone loves him. He's Patrice, but both he and Park have been on a steady decline over the last year. Good here and there, but their performances are becoming less and less remarkable. It's time somebody else stood up and became first choice left back. It'd be nice to have his explosion of pace and skill coming off the bench.
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And most importantly we had a much superior LB in Evra back then.Right now, I don't see anyone who is that much better than Evra for him to be sold or even be benched.Fabio is promising but he is not physically ready
 
Sultan said:
Evra comes as a package. We'll just have to overlook some of his deficiencies because overall he is very important to the teams success. Similarly, Hernandez is only worth keeping in the team due to his fantastic movement in the penalty area. Outside of the area he occasionally looks like a pub player.
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Completely disagree, Sults. A defender costing you goals every second or third week is not something you have to get used to when you're looking to win the premier league. In fact if you want to win the league it's something you can't actually afford. At his best Evra was a monster of a fullback who actually defended well. Even a lesser version of that player would be fine who was a bit iffy defensively sometimes. But it's gotten to the point where he's defensively poor. Really poor.

And I think it's okay that he is. But the club should have a replacement we can bring rather than rely SO heavily on a player.

Shimo said:
He does his job as well as any other if not better. Hernandez misses opportunities. Defenders can do their job for 99% of the game and one mistake they will get lambasted and blamed for everything. Striker can be invisible for 99% and score a goal and be hailed as motm.
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This posts makes no sense. So defender should be judged as strikers? De Gea costing us a goal every game should be seen as the same as a striker missing one goal opportunity every game?
 
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