Has been poor for two years. Gets a lot of plaudits but his endeavour masks his ineffectiveness going forward and he is not great defensively. If someone makes a decent offer for him I can see him being one off the high profile casualties along with berba and possibly nani. feck you
Patrice Evra | 2008-12 Performances
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That'll be the best for both of them, keep them fresh and on their feet. He's not had enough competition in the last couple of seasons.
He has had a poor season no doubt.
But he was overplayed 09/10, clocking up about 55 appearances and then went to the world cup and had a nightmare.
Give him a decent rest and pre-season. He hasn't lost anything physically, it's all in his head.
But he was overplayed 09/10, clocking up about 55 appearances and then went to the world cup and had a nightmare.
Give him a decent rest and pre-season. He hasn't lost anything physically, it's all in his head.
Nani has been brilliant this season.
Why does everyone think we will sell our most talented player?
Played like a bit of a cnut this year. If the summer off doesn't sort him out then we should be looking to cash in the following window. As things stand far from being the best LB in the world he's being targeted.
We should have rested him more than we did tbh especially after the france world cup debacle. The amount of times this season when we lose the ball and he just jogged back was shocking. Unfortunately that carried on today.
The first goal, he was in the centre in front of our two cbs leaving pedro free. The second, he was kinda standing and not marking anybody when Messi had the ball. He should have run out quicker and you could see Vidic trying to point to him to do this.
The funniest moment tho was when there was a ball over the top and he tried to play offside. Alves i think got the ball and Evra just stopped and watched.
The first goal, he was in the centre in front of our two cbs leaving pedro free. The second, he was kinda standing and not marking anybody when Messi had the ball. He should have run out quicker and you could see Vidic trying to point to him to do this.
The funniest moment tho was when there was a ball over the top and he tried to play offside. Alves i think got the ball and Evra just stopped and watched.
People are being harsh on Evra, look at the help Valencia was giving Fabio. Who did Evra have? No one. Nobody knows the instructions he was given, how they prepared for the Messi runs. They targeted Vidic and Evra's corner for a reason. Rio was too hard to beat so all their attacks started to come from the left and they use clever movement to draw Evra in, it was not errors imo from Evra, I can bet he was told to help Vidic close the middle when they are running at Vidic, that is the time that a left winger was to help Evra, but Park was marking Messi, Giggs I don't even know what he was doing.
I agree
A long break and then a decent pre season build up should sort out any problems.
He was poor defensively and got cought out of possetion a few times, one leading to the 1-0. He needs to sort that out and hopefully he improves
1) Evra should have marked Pedro. Nothing to do with Park, or Giggs, or Vidic.
2) "Rio too hard to beat"??? The reason why tonight many of Barca's moves advanced down United's left was because Dani Alves was so advanced most of the game. Abidal was more restrained in any forward movement.
3) I am unsure whether Evra will ever regain his tremendous form. He shows a worrying indifference to MARKING his attacker, makes silly tackles, and his positional sense is no longer good.
We were absolutley mullered down the left hand side yesterday, really bad defensive performance. We just couldn't cope and everything of theirs came down that side.
Park had to do about 4 jobs tonight bless him.
Shocking tonight
Urgh, so much shite on here after a defeat as usual. The first half of that season was perhaps the best he has played up to this point in his career. Was merely decent after that, barring a slip up or two, but yeh, the point remains.
fecking hell. Selective memory.
KingEric, if you think Evra's first half of this season was his best, then YOU have selective memory.
He was terrible last night. Piss poor. And yet you have a go at people who are connecting his poor performance as simply symptomatic of his recent games as being "shite"?
Evra has shown an increasing tendency to NOT mark properly nor to maintain his positioning. How is that "selective memory"?
i like and appreciate what paddy had given us over the years but the last 2 years, he has become a bit of a liability at the back for us,especially in big games. and he struggled badly today and it was one of his poorest performance for us to date.
i just hope he can regain back that form that made him arguably the best left back just a few years ago. hopefully a full rest this summer can help him get better for next season.
i just hope he can regain back that form that made him arguably the best left back just a few years ago. hopefully a full rest this summer can help him get better for next season.
He, you've missed the point of my post. Read it again.
First half of 09/10.
Said nothing more beyond that. There's no doubt that he was poor against Barca last night, or tonight, or whatever it's classed as now. Not in the best state to tell, to be honest.
Defensively exactly. Going forward, he's his usual self. Hope a rest and a good pre season sort things out for him in that regard
Fabio looks ready to give him much needed competition for that spot. Hopefully it kicks him up the ass, hard
He's not been up to his usual standards since before the World Cup, It's hard to say but I don't think he's good enough for this team anymore. Defensively he's nowhere near world class, let's be honest. He never has been. Attacking wise he's been superb, but even that has been curbed in recent years.
Just remember this thing about of our Paddy: Now he finally get to rest for awhile!
He's played non-stop football for over 20 months with over a hundred games for us, all the madness he suffered with the French squad and it's not until the last couple of months this year, that his weekly form has started to drop. I think the last time he got to a rest from all of this was in the summer of '09. It's not correct to count the few weeks he actually was slighly injured because that isn't exactly rest than rehabiliation.. I remember thinking just how does he manages to play that amount of games, never gets badly injured, and just continues to teach and learn from playing with different CBs and LWs almost every week..
If THE Patrice Evra would had been just a little bit more rested in the final, I say he'd be sleeping with the CL trophy right now.. Now Patrice, get some rest mon ami
He's played non-stop football for over 20 months with over a hundred games for us, all the madness he suffered with the French squad and it's not until the last couple of months this year, that his weekly form has started to drop. I think the last time he got to a rest from all of this was in the summer of '09. It's not correct to count the few weeks he actually was slighly injured because that isn't exactly rest than rehabiliation.. I remember thinking just how does he manages to play that amount of games, never gets badly injured, and just continues to teach and learn from playing with different CBs and LWs almost every week..
If THE Patrice Evra would had been just a little bit more rested in the final, I say he'd be sleeping with the CL trophy right now.. Now Patrice, get some rest mon ami
I was slightly drunk when I wrote this but I still kind of stand by it. He hasn't been good for a long time. I think if he isn't up to scratch next season we should sell.
I'm looking forward to him getting proper rest over the summer and a full pre season, while next season getting rotated a bit more.
We've asked far too much of him the last couple of seasons. He's been playing virtually every match, then he had the World Cup last summer, and he started the first match of the Premiership when he was only back in preseason training a couple of days.
We've asked far too much of him the last couple of seasons. He's been playing virtually every match, then he had the World Cup last summer, and he started the first match of the Premiership when he was only back in preseason training a couple of days.
Good interview
I agree. Good to see players talking honestly, admitting that it wasn't his best season, and I think a rest and good pre-season will help him
The emergence of Fabio at RB as well could help, as surely Fabio will be trusted at LB occasionally, and that can surely help Evra by resting him now and then
The emergence of Fabio at RB as well could help, as surely Fabio will be trusted at LB occasionally, and that can surely help Evra by resting him now and then
i hope he dedicates himself to getting really fit this summer. i also hope we watches tape of himself and sees how he can improve. of all his jobs his most important is defending but that's been his biggest weakness for a long time. hanging vds out to dry is one thing but doing the same to our new inexperienced keeper could be very damaging. he doesn't need to score goals. he needs to defend more and better.
Evra being a likeable character has halted criticism of his play over the last year or so.
Against Chelsea he was horrible. Even worse than the Barca game.
I don't know if it's physical or mental fatigue but it's something. Seeing him jog back isn't acceptable and he has been getting beat in the air routinely and getting bossed by big players and blown by by fast players.
Maybe it has something to do with Evra pretty much knowing that he will start every game. Complacency could be his problem.
Fabio will start more next season and hopefully this gives Evra a nice kick up the ass because, although we all love him dearly, he has been shit this year and cost us in some big games.
Sort it out.
Against Chelsea he was horrible. Even worse than the Barca game.
I don't know if it's physical or mental fatigue but it's something. Seeing him jog back isn't acceptable and he has been getting beat in the air routinely and getting bossed by big players and blown by by fast players.
Maybe it has something to do with Evra pretty much knowing that he will start every game. Complacency could be his problem.
Fabio will start more next season and hopefully this gives Evra a nice kick up the ass because, although we all love him dearly, he has been shit this year and cost us in some big games.
Sort it out.
I think we just have wait and see. Given he himself has hinted to personal problems in the past, it could be mental fatigue. But it could also be physical decline. He's in his early thirties and there are players that lose the quality they had when they were younger. We are used to players like Giggs or Edwin van der Sar who play well into their late thirties but not every body is the same.
Physical decline at 30 jesus I hope not. More to do with the mental pressure of the French revolution that went horribly wrong at the world.
He was left as an outcast, and with troubling political overtones of Racism seeping around France at the moment I reckon he was hit hard and I think he also had some family issues.
A good break will see him right.
Physical decline is rubbish, didn't he play more games than any other player last year? If he was in physical decline the first thing that would happen is he'd start to pick up injuries playing that many games.
Thats actually a great interview, its honest and he's saying pretty much what most Utd fans have been speculating over. Reassuring that he not only wants to get back to his best but also improve on it (goals), I wouldn't bet against him having a cracker next season once he's had a rest.
Here's hoping.
Thats actually a great interview, its honest and he's saying pretty much what most Utd fans have been speculating over. Reassuring that he not only wants to get back to his best but also improve on it (goals), I wouldn't bet against him having a cracker next season once he's had a rest.
Here's hoping.
Thats no longer as big a problem as people make out. If anything Evra has improved with age.
This nonsense about the Barca game again
The first goal was Vidic's fault, the second could be blamed on anyone.
he was clearly at fault for the first goal, and its the same fault he's been caught out with all season, getting drawn in field and leaving an acre of space at LB..... thats happened to him so much this season I even started a thread specifically about it earlier in the season.
Spot on mate..
I am ok if he gets caught up field trying to attack as that is bound to happen once in a while. For someone with his ability and experience, he shouldnt be getting dragged out of position the way he does.
The first Barca goal he had no need at all to run to the middle and leave so much space open.
We talked about this over and over and pretty much everyone agreed that it was Vidic's fault as Pedro was his man and he left him, if he just stays with him then there's no goal. Evra had to follow Messi as Pedro had moved onto Vidic's shoulder so he had one option, FOLLOW Messi.
Shite use of the lol smiley there popper, have a look at the goal again and anyone who knows his stuff about defending will confirm this.
Bollox, WATCH THE GOAL again. If you honestly think Evra should follow Pedro and stand RIGHT NEXT TO VIDIC then you're totally fecking clueless.
If Vidic stays with Pedro then there is NO goal, fact!
Messi and Pedro switches positions twice, Vidic and Evra cant agree on who`s follows who and ends up with neither marking the man or the space. Good attacking play though, hard to defend against.
I dont really care what 'everyone' agreed, how you can look at that and say its 100% Vidic's fault I dunno, even the commentator says Evra gets pulled in field.
As soon as Pedro pulls off the back of Vidic (about 35 secs) where Evra had a perfect view of what was happening and the player he's tracking darts straight into the CB's, he should have tried to chase back in.
I'm not saying Vidic is totally at blameless, but you look back at us over the year and count how many times the opposition got at us from the left of our defence with Evra nowhere to be seen, this is the same again.
Anyway lets agree to differ rather than take the thread OT, I'd imagine we both agree it wasn't his finest season and that his interview is pretty good.
Fingers crossed he gets back to his best next season.
Fingers crossed he gets back to his best next season.
Now with Fabio pushing as well, he needs to be back at his best if he wants to keep playing week in week out. Didnt have a great season unfortunately, and I am wondering how a technically strong player can be so poor at crossing
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