Paris terror attacks on Friday 13th

Cee90 said:
Sorry, but feck right off.

What a stupid comment, do you think you're helping the cause?

This is not about Islam, it's much bigger than that.

And no, I'm not Muslim.
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What cause?

I'm helping the anti-propaganda cause, if that counts. Every time this shit happens the same lines are repeated by the apologists, almost like a mantra. They are designed to shut down discussion and that is wrong. Whether you are willing to accept it or not, the writings of the Quran are at the foundation of all of this.
 
Expecting Nato to hit ISIS in Syria soon and with ground forces too. I'm a middle eastern and i think that's the right thing to do. Syria will be divided , the whole situation will resemble the Korean war with Russia supporting western Shia Syria aka The Assads , and the west supporting eastern Sunni Syria.
 
senorgregster said:
I have to admit, the terrorists won with me. I used to go to big events in DC and since 9/11 I've been nowhere near. I just think it is too easy and we are now entering the next phase and this will now become the norm.
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You should go out and have fun, wait a little a bit though.
 
Cee90 said:
Sorry, but feck right off.

What a stupid comment, do you think you're helping the cause?

This is not about Islam, it's much bigger than that.

And no, I'm not Muslim.
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How is radicals shouting Allah Akbar and blowing themselves up NOT about Islam? Seriously this far-left regressive thinking is fecking nonsense. The religion is cancer.

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun


Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority" (Specifically talking about Christians here)


Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"


Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "


Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"


Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"


Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people."
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But the book isn't radical!
 
Duffy said:
You know it does make you question things. A few hours ago I was buzzing to sort out going to see the Roses in Dublin and now I think of this and think of that goon a few years back at that cinema and ponder if I should even go see the new bond tomorrow. Suppose that's what they want though, they want people to be scared, so feck them.
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Aye, I often think about that kinda thing going into Old Trafford... I mean, it's arguably the most famous football team and stadium in the world... But then you realise it's not worth thinking about.

Anyway, just an incredibly sad and depressing night, the kind that makes you despair about the world we live in.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
Found this on twitter.

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As i said have been watchin that channel all night and didn't see that report at all. I don't think it's real
 
rednev said:
What cause?

I'm helping the anti-propaganda cause, if that counts. Every time this shit happens the same lines are repeated by the apologists, almost like a mantra. They are designed to shut down discussion and that is wrong. Whether you are willing to accept it or not, the writings of the Quran are at the foundation of all of this.
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...and the bible is to be blamed for what Catholics and Protestants have done in NI?
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Have a feeling the match tonight was a target but it went wrong
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Read some speculation that the bombs might have been scheduled to happen after the match, when people were leaving the stadium, rather than during.
 
Cutch said:
As i said have been watchin that channel all night and didn't see that report at all. I don't think it's real
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The feck do people 'shop that kind of stuff? Weirdos.
 
Cutch said:
As i said have been watchin that channel all night and didn't see that report at all. I don't think it's real
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It did come up. Someone was arrested there. I don't think he was a terrorist though
 
Lynk said:
How is radicals shouting Allah Akbar and blowing themselves up NOT about Islam? Seriously this far-left regressive thinking is fecking nonsense. The religion is cancer.

But the book isn't radical!
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Joemo said:
Religion is the cause, in the same way democracy was the cause in WW II or national identity has been in the past as well. But, that said, you don't attach the blame to the reason people are in conflict, you attach it to the people who are actually in the conflict.

These people are monsters, minds warped by some twisted teaching of a religion to the point where it has no true reflection on the actual religion in whose name they're meant to be fighting. No religion will be advocating these attacks, no clear-minded Muslim will be proud of these attacks and so it's not fair for any normal Muslim to be blamed for these attacks.

I really don't get how people can be stupid enough to blame a whole religion in an event like this, but when it comes to a United fan chanting some vile chant (for example) they're more than happy to say "Well he doesn't reflect all United fans."
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And I'm sure you could find almost equally vile excerpts in the Bible. You have whole regions in America that are homophobic purely because of what the Bible says.
 
Just awful scenes. My heart goes out to everyone there and especially the families of dead and pray for the safety of others.
 
Lynk said:
How is radicals shouting Allah Akbar and blowing themselves up NOT about Islam? Seriously this far-left regressive thinking is fecking nonsense. The religion is cancer.

But the book isn't radical!
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Shameful post.

I can also guarantee you none of that is in the book.
 
Red Dreams said:
...and the bible is to be blamed for what Catholics and Protestants have done in NI?
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Not specifically the Bible, no. But religious sectarianism and tribalism absolutely is to blame.

And of course it was a very different situation because nobody in NI was using religion as a justification for violence. In Islamic terrorism, scripture is the reasoning AND the moral justification.
 
Kag said:
Likewise. I think this could have been a lot worse than it already is.

The German team hotel evacuation this morning has to be linked.
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Also, France issued an alert that they were planning on closing borders today BEFORE the attacks took place, but to do with the week long UN summit (can provide proof if necessary but will need to get laptop out)
 


More from Calais. The fires are real :(



How beautiful is that?

Red Dreams said:
...and neither has this.
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Of course it does. Human nature may be the true cause, but religion is the justification.
 
Wowi said:
The problem is; that's what they want. It's a fecked up situation that's practically impossible to win, as long as there's extremists around.
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True, but i think you have to ask your self would you risk your life, your family's lives to go to a football tournament, espicially if there is another atrocity between now and the tournament, as of now i can see a lot of people cancelling on it.
 
Kag said:
Likewise. I think this could have been a lot worse than it already is.

The German team hotel evacuation this morning has to be linked.
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Wowi said:
Read some speculation that the bombs might have been scheduled to happen after the match, when people were leaving the stadium, rather than during.
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Unimaginable terror if the bombs went off as people were leaving the stadium - lots of children at the match tonight
 
Red Dreams said:
...and neither has this.
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Of course it fecking does. The perpetrators are radical islamists, carrying out crimes based on their religious texts. This kind of liberalism is so self defeating.
 
Lynk said:
How is radicals shouting Allah Akbar and blowing themselves up NOT about Islam? Seriously this far-left regressive thinking is fecking nonsense. The religion is cancer.

But the book isn't radical!
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Yeah I'm almost positive that all those "quotes" are completely made up. There's nothing in the book promoting violence
 
It's a mere suggestion, but what about leaving the religion discussion for another thread, and, preferably, for tomorrow? After sleeping on it?
 
rednev said:
Not specifically the Bible, no. But religious sectarianism and tribalism absolutely is to blame.

And of course it was a very different situation because nobody in NI was using religion as a justification for violence. In Islamic terrorism, scripture is the reasoning AND the moral justification.
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you need to read Martin Luther's writings...and how it was twisted to justify anti-smetism.

Of course the holocaust cannot be blamed on him...but all I am saying is people can find all kinds of reasons to kill others.
 
Awful news. Hope everyone's relatives on here are safe and if anyone is in Paris, I hope you stay safe.
 
Probably pissing in the wind with this, but can we take all the religion crosstalk to another thread? It's the most boring argument on the internet and neither side will ever cede to the other, and I'd rather not have to wade through piles of needless angry posts to pick out the few genuine updates.
 
Joemo said:
And I'm sure you could find almost equally vile excerpts in the Bible. You have whole regions in America that are homophobic purely because of what the Bible says.
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Stop conflating two completely distinct religions together. People who claim to be Christians and overlook Christ cannot, by default, be Christian, which means to be a follower of Christ. It's really Christians and Jews running around shooting people and blowing them up, isn't it?
 
Kag said:
Likewise. I think this could have been a lot worse than it already is.

The German team hotel evacuation this morning has to be linked.
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There's reports that French and German police were aware that attacks were being planned http://sofrep.com/44480/french-and-german-police-knew-paris-attack-was-coming-a-month-prior/ .

Completely speculation on my own part, but maybe they went with a strategy of generating false signals (several made up threats) to disguise those that were their actual plans. Allies did this essentially to confuse the germans before the Normandy landings (completely different situation, but would be same principle)
 
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