suicide bombing in Pakistan - 10 killed, 70 injured
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Getting into news for all the wrong reasons.
Horrible news. They were just pharmacists protesting, ffs! Don't think that was even a religious or a political protest, yet....
Well, in other news....the court just banned Valentine day celebrations as un-Islamic. Some priorities!
Reading the news...not a good day for Pakistan.
-16 dead in this bombing...including 2 top cops (bomber has been identified as an Afghan apparently - TTP)
- IED in Waziristan (army vehicle)
- 2 bomb disposal guys in Quetta trying to defuse a bomb
- 3 soldiers dead in LOC as a result of Indian firing.
My Pakistan friends reckon this was revenge for the attacks in Kashmir which killed 2-3 Indian soldiers...
This death by a thousand cuts bullshit is beyond stupid
Who exactly are taking revenge on Pakistan for killing Indian soldiers?
You know how it is...Pakistan and India doing the usual, blame each other for every attack.
Tbf, just as the ISI have funded, trained and armed terrorists to attack India repeatedly...RA&W has helped the jihadis Pakistan considers to be 'bad.
Ensuring Pakistan realizes...there is a price to pay for what the ISI does...Don't forget Chuck Hagel went public with this - it's not exactly breaking news.
The blind hate never changes.
I was just having a drink last Friday with a colleague and a client, both from Lahore. A person they both knew in Lahore was shot dead when returning from the market. Seems two men, just walked up, shot her and left. Didn't even steal anything. Both were shocked and totally clueless as they considered her normal in every sense of the way (no outspoken political or religious activities etc). Seems these are not isolated cases. I was speechless!
And it'll never end...if anything shit will continue to get worse and sadly, in the subcontinent life is cheap...neverending cycle.
You think India is funding these suicide bombings in Pakistan? I mean no one is an angel nowadays, but Pakistan has a lot going on its own plate for India to be arranging suicide bombings.
It's a self fulfilling prophesy. If ISI declares it's not related to a terrorist incident, it get scoffed at in India. Same happens in Pak, I suppose. May RAW did sponsor before and maybe they don't do so currently, but that excuse card is still played and believed by the general public. Considering the rising hardliners and a very conservative court, it's easier to blame India than get into a philosophical debate on when hardline greys out into terrorism.
I don't have to think...you think RA&W is sitting idly by? There was a time maybe, when India didn't play this game...but, they've learned.
Indian Defense Minister has hinted at it and as I said, Ex US Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel straight up, came out and said it in a public setting (Google it...YouTube it)
Like I said, Pakistan played a dangerous game with good jihadi (anyone who attacks India), bad jihadi (ppl the ISI had fallen out with)...and India, after suffering immense loss, too is now playing the game - though only in a financial capacity.
Chuck Hagel - and he got absolutely slaughtered for the comments, as you'd expect.
But, look at the post he took up, he basically forgot, there are some truths you don't say out loud about your allies.
https://www.google.com/amp/m.timeso...inee-Chuck-Hagel/amp_articleshow/18694475.cms
But, look at the post he took up, he basically forgot, there are some truths you don't say out loud about your allies.
https://www.google.com/amp/m.timeso...inee-Chuck-Hagel/amp_articleshow/18694475.cms
I'm pretty sure that India would do things to make sure that they are not left behind, but not to the extent of getting revenge on killing Indian soldiers by suicide bombing shit out of crowded market places. India would rather bomb Pakistan more and do some proportional attacks on Pakistan, but both of us are speculating wildly at this point. So are your friends.
All the pakistanis I've met are brilliant people, easy to get along with.
I actually have only a handful of Pakistani friends...the wounds my family carries to this day from 1971 have not healed and won't heal.
I'm not a card carrying member of the 'death to pakistan' crew, but...it's hard for me to see things fairly all the time
I'm not a card carrying member of the 'death to pakistan' crew, but...it's hard for me to see things fairly all the time
Blast rips through shrine in Pakistan, 100 dead
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...e-injured-tv-reports/articleshow/57190555.cms
Nearly 100 people were killed and several injured tonight when an Islamic State suicide bomber blew himself up inside the crowded shrine of revered Sufi Lal Shahbaz Qalandar in Sehwan town, some 200 KM northeast of Karachi, in a string of deadly blasts this week in Pakistan...
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That is a very famous and popular shrine, William Dalrymple wrote a chapter on it in his book Nine Lives.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...e-injured-tv-reports/articleshow/57190555.cms
Nearly 100 people were killed and several injured tonight when an Islamic State suicide bomber blew himself up inside the crowded shrine of revered Sufi Lal Shahbaz Qalandar in Sehwan town, some 200 KM northeast of Karachi, in a string of deadly blasts this week in Pakistan...
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That is a very famous and popular shrine, William Dalrymple wrote a chapter on it in his book Nine Lives.
Is he the person about which Nusrat Fateh sang Dum Mast Qalandar?
Is the IS active as a group in Pakistan or did their ideology just inspire this person?
Daesh has an Afghan/Pakistan chapter. Mostly former Taliban.
Biggest victim of terrorism.
80 dead, 250 injured - f-ing hell
Don't know on either.
I'm supposed to be visiting Lahore for a week at the end of March, currently reconsidering.
No point waiting for a better time, this is the norm. Ironically when I go with the family its not bombing but being randomly shot in the street or kidnapped for being overseas are my bigger fears. So, go. Enjoy
Yes
No point waiting for a better time, this is the norm. Ironically when I go with the family its not bombing but being randomly shot in the street or kidnapped for being overseas are my bigger fears. So, go. Enjoy
It wasn't the norm the last time I was in Lahore. But yeah, I'll probably still go. Just have to avoid Sufi Thursday which is a shame.
Pakistan suicide bombing: Why ISIS feels so threatened by Sindh's Lal Shahbaz Qalandar shrine
https://scroll.in/article/829667/pa...eatened-by-sindhs-lal-shahbaz-qalandar-shrine
No other shrine in the country captures the essence of religious syncretism like this one.
The dhamal is an oxymoron. It annihilates, putting an end to the subjective identity of a person. In the act of dhamal a person ceases to exist, and merges with the supreme. And that is where it is becomes an oxymoron. It is the ultimate form of existence, supreme, metaphysical, a merging of all.
Ultimately culminating into whirls, it aligns with the whirling of the cosmos, its orbital movements. It is the ultimate expression of monotheism, a closely guarded tenet in Abrahamic faiths. In fact it goes one step further, even breaking the barrier between a devotee and the divine. Both become one, as monotheism merges into monism.
While the ultimate culmination of dhamal aligns with the cosmic patterns, its individual steps follow no pattern at all. It could begin as a gentle dance, a flirtatious duel with the beat of the drum. It teases, consents to a union and then shyly backs away. The dholwala plays along. The contest is for everyone to see and partake. The lovers finally merge, initially softly, tenderly, and then passionately, wildly. It has uncontrollable energy, a force which through its movements can halt the movement of the cosmos. Like the Tandava of Shiva and the ecstatic dance of Kali, if uninterrupted it can lead to destruction. Yet on the other hand, like Vishnu, the preserver, through its alignment with the cosmos it holds the world in its place.
At the courtyard of a Sufi shrine, when dhamal becomes one with the beat of the drum, gender too ceases to exist. In a deeply segregated society, where sexuality is closely monitored, it flows easily, in the form of spiritual energy. Men, women, ceasing to exist, whirl in unison. Otherwise discriminated and treated as untouchables, Khawaja Sara, who travel from all parts of the country to the shrine of Lal Shahbaz Qalandar, particularly at the time of his urs, perform the dhamal with the other devotees, laying bare all their tales of injustices on the courtyard, which irrespective of their gender, age, sexual orientation, caste and religion, soaks everything, and gives them a new life. The dhamal is a rite of passage.
A temporary stop
It is a central feature of religious devotion at the shrine of Lal Shahbaz Qalandar. Just as the world never stops to rest, similarly dhamal never stops at the shrine of the patron saint of Sindh. However on the night of February 16, on Thursday, a holy night in Islamic spirituality, it stopped temporarily. Hundreds of devotees had gathered at the shrine of Lal Shahbaz Qalandar to experience this spiritual performance – dhamal. Like on any other night, it must have been a collection of men, women and transgender. The Syeds must have stood next to the Musalis. Hindus and Muslims must have eaten from the same plates at the langar. At the middle of the performance it is believed, a female suicide bomber affiliated with ISIS blew herself up, killing more than 70 people injuring several more. However even before the echoes of the screams died down, and the last strains of blood could be washed off the courtyard, dhamal began once again on Friday morning. It was like it had never stopped. The world never stops rotating.
While claiming responsibility for the attack, ISIS called it a Shia gathering. They couldn’t be more wrong. Religious devotees at the shrine of this 12th century saint cannot be compartmentalised into categories through which ISIS sees the world. To his devotees, he is not a Muslim or a Shia saint. He is a peer, who cannot be constrained by confines of religious boundaries. To the Sindhi Hindus, forming the largest religious minority in the country, he is their peer as much as he peer for Muslims. Some might label him to be a Sindhi saint, but songs of his praises are sung at the Sufi shrines in Punjab as well. In the summers at the time of his urs celebration special trains are booked to bring his Punjabi devotees into the heartland of Sindh.
There is perhaps no other shrine in the country that captures the essence of religious syncretism like the shrine of Lal Shahbaz Qalandar. In his courtyard, it feels as if the riots of Partition never happened, as if Sindhi Hindus were never forced to abandon their land, as if Christian settlements in Punjab had never been burned after alleged cases of blasphemy. The courtyard of Lal Shahbaz Qalandar represents a different world, a world that once existed but has slowly disappeared outside its confines. That’s why this courtyard represents such a threat. It defies all narratives, of exclusive nationalism and religious identities. It maybe just a few thousand people but a powerful narrative. The attack is not on the shrine but on this worldview which does not divide humanity into simplistic separate categories.
https://scroll.in/article/829667/pa...eatened-by-sindhs-lal-shahbaz-qalandar-shrine
No other shrine in the country captures the essence of religious syncretism like this one.
The dhamal is an oxymoron. It annihilates, putting an end to the subjective identity of a person. In the act of dhamal a person ceases to exist, and merges with the supreme. And that is where it is becomes an oxymoron. It is the ultimate form of existence, supreme, metaphysical, a merging of all.
Ultimately culminating into whirls, it aligns with the whirling of the cosmos, its orbital movements. It is the ultimate expression of monotheism, a closely guarded tenet in Abrahamic faiths. In fact it goes one step further, even breaking the barrier between a devotee and the divine. Both become one, as monotheism merges into monism.
While the ultimate culmination of dhamal aligns with the cosmic patterns, its individual steps follow no pattern at all. It could begin as a gentle dance, a flirtatious duel with the beat of the drum. It teases, consents to a union and then shyly backs away. The dholwala plays along. The contest is for everyone to see and partake. The lovers finally merge, initially softly, tenderly, and then passionately, wildly. It has uncontrollable energy, a force which through its movements can halt the movement of the cosmos. Like the Tandava of Shiva and the ecstatic dance of Kali, if uninterrupted it can lead to destruction. Yet on the other hand, like Vishnu, the preserver, through its alignment with the cosmos it holds the world in its place.
At the courtyard of a Sufi shrine, when dhamal becomes one with the beat of the drum, gender too ceases to exist. In a deeply segregated society, where sexuality is closely monitored, it flows easily, in the form of spiritual energy. Men, women, ceasing to exist, whirl in unison. Otherwise discriminated and treated as untouchables, Khawaja Sara, who travel from all parts of the country to the shrine of Lal Shahbaz Qalandar, particularly at the time of his urs, perform the dhamal with the other devotees, laying bare all their tales of injustices on the courtyard, which irrespective of their gender, age, sexual orientation, caste and religion, soaks everything, and gives them a new life. The dhamal is a rite of passage.
A temporary stop
It is a central feature of religious devotion at the shrine of Lal Shahbaz Qalandar. Just as the world never stops to rest, similarly dhamal never stops at the shrine of the patron saint of Sindh. However on the night of February 16, on Thursday, a holy night in Islamic spirituality, it stopped temporarily. Hundreds of devotees had gathered at the shrine of Lal Shahbaz Qalandar to experience this spiritual performance – dhamal. Like on any other night, it must have been a collection of men, women and transgender. The Syeds must have stood next to the Musalis. Hindus and Muslims must have eaten from the same plates at the langar. At the middle of the performance it is believed, a female suicide bomber affiliated with ISIS blew herself up, killing more than 70 people injuring several more. However even before the echoes of the screams died down, and the last strains of blood could be washed off the courtyard, dhamal began once again on Friday morning. It was like it had never stopped. The world never stops rotating.
While claiming responsibility for the attack, ISIS called it a Shia gathering. They couldn’t be more wrong. Religious devotees at the shrine of this 12th century saint cannot be compartmentalised into categories through which ISIS sees the world. To his devotees, he is not a Muslim or a Shia saint. He is a peer, who cannot be constrained by confines of religious boundaries. To the Sindhi Hindus, forming the largest religious minority in the country, he is their peer as much as he peer for Muslims. Some might label him to be a Sindhi saint, but songs of his praises are sung at the Sufi shrines in Punjab as well. In the summers at the time of his urs celebration special trains are booked to bring his Punjabi devotees into the heartland of Sindh.
There is perhaps no other shrine in the country that captures the essence of religious syncretism like the shrine of Lal Shahbaz Qalandar. In his courtyard, it feels as if the riots of Partition never happened, as if Sindhi Hindus were never forced to abandon their land, as if Christian settlements in Punjab had never been burned after alleged cases of blasphemy. The courtyard of Lal Shahbaz Qalandar represents a different world, a world that once existed but has slowly disappeared outside its confines. That’s why this courtyard represents such a threat. It defies all narratives, of exclusive nationalism and religious identities. It maybe just a few thousand people but a powerful narrative. The attack is not on the shrine but on this worldview which does not divide humanity into simplistic separate categories.
What would the Islamic Extremist groups get by bombing (and killing) in Pakistan? I don't get it.
They are strictly opposed to the type of worship described in the article I just posted, believing it to be a form of shirk (polytheism).
So it's an opposing type of Islam that they are against - and fancy just making themselves heard/cause chaos? (guessing they know they have no chance of actually seizing power there).
Biggest victim of terrorism.
Thats an crazy campaign of co-ordinated nationwide terrorism. And mostly by suicide bombs.
Pakistan is a failed broken state out of control. So many of its people have been multi manipulated over the years that I doubt they have any principles left. They have committed so many morally repugnant crimes and have belief systems that are a threat to 21st civilisation. It needs urgent help.
And yet Pakistan is not on the USA list of terrorist countries. And there is no global Je Suis Paki campaign either.
May all innocents who died rest in peace. Amin.
Pretty much. Unfortunately sectarian violence of one form or another has become a regular feature of Pakistani society since at least the 80s.
He can go and feck himself, we dont give a shit what them yanks have to say or think! were not pakistanis or those with a brown sahib syndrome.
If what you say is true then raw is not as incompetent as i thought it was.
Oscars 2017: Pakistan UN representative criticised for withdrawing congratulations to Mahershala Ali over first Muslim win
Pakistan's constitution doesn't recognise Ahmadis as Muslims
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...upporting-actor-award-moonlight-a7603366.html
The first Oscar win for a Muslim actor - Mahershala Ali for Moonlight - was applauded around the world on Sunday night, but caused controversy in Pakistan.
Pakistan’s Permanent Representative to the United Nations Maleeha Lodhi deleted a tweet congratulating Ali, after other Twitter users started pointing out he is an Ahmadi - a member of an Islamic sect often persecuted for identifying as Muslim.
Article 260-3 of Pakistan’s Constitution declares Ahmadis “non-Muslims” and it is practically illegal to be one in the country.
Lodhi taking back her congratulations was fiercely criticised on social media.
“If Mahershala Ali identified as a Muslim in Pakistan, he’d be jailed for three years under the country’s anti-Ahmadi laws,” writer and activist Kashif N. Chaudry wrote.
“In Malaysia, Indonesia and much of the Arab world, he’d have to worship secretly in fear of attacks by mobs or arrest by State, and he’d be denied his right to enjoy religious freedom.
“Hence, it is very relevant to remember his #Ahmadiyya identity, and appreciate what layers of hate he had to cross to be the champ that he is.”
Ali discussed his conversion to Islam (“my ordained minister mother didn’t do backflips”) at the SAG Awards last month.
A first-time Oscar nominee, the 43-year-old beat Dev Patel, Jeff Bridges, Michael Shannon and Lucas Hedges to win the Supporting Actor award at the 89th Academy Awards on Sunday night.
“I want to thank my teachers, my professors,” Ali said during his acceptance speech. “One thing that they consistently told me… ‘It’s not about you. It’s about these characters. You are a servant. You’re in service to these stories and these characters’.”
Pakistan's constitution doesn't recognise Ahmadis as Muslims
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...upporting-actor-award-moonlight-a7603366.html
The first Oscar win for a Muslim actor - Mahershala Ali for Moonlight - was applauded around the world on Sunday night, but caused controversy in Pakistan.
Pakistan’s Permanent Representative to the United Nations Maleeha Lodhi deleted a tweet congratulating Ali, after other Twitter users started pointing out he is an Ahmadi - a member of an Islamic sect often persecuted for identifying as Muslim.
Article 260-3 of Pakistan’s Constitution declares Ahmadis “non-Muslims” and it is practically illegal to be one in the country.
Lodhi taking back her congratulations was fiercely criticised on social media.
“If Mahershala Ali identified as a Muslim in Pakistan, he’d be jailed for three years under the country’s anti-Ahmadi laws,” writer and activist Kashif N. Chaudry wrote.
“In Malaysia, Indonesia and much of the Arab world, he’d have to worship secretly in fear of attacks by mobs or arrest by State, and he’d be denied his right to enjoy religious freedom.
“Hence, it is very relevant to remember his #Ahmadiyya identity, and appreciate what layers of hate he had to cross to be the champ that he is.”
Ali discussed his conversion to Islam (“my ordained minister mother didn’t do backflips”) at the SAG Awards last month.
A first-time Oscar nominee, the 43-year-old beat Dev Patel, Jeff Bridges, Michael Shannon and Lucas Hedges to win the Supporting Actor award at the 89th Academy Awards on Sunday night.
“I want to thank my teachers, my professors,” Ali said during his acceptance speech. “One thing that they consistently told me… ‘It’s not about you. It’s about these characters. You are a servant. You’re in service to these stories and these characters’.”
So, the same treatment to their Nobel winner and now their Oscar winner.
So, the same treatment to their Nobel winner and now their Oscar winner.
At least Mahershala Ali isn't Pakistani and won't be disgraced in his own nation...unlike the Dr. Salam you mentioned!
Ahmadis have it pretty bad in general and even fame doesn't save them
Saw this article and it reminded me of our exchange, thought you might find it interesting, the barelwi scholar Rizwi, is one of the biggest from the barelwi school in Pakistan.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-39112840
Thanks for sharing!
The feck is going on over there? I've some Pakistani friends on FB freaking out completely:
Nawaz Sharif arrested on arrival in Pakistan as 132 people die in bombing
Nawaz Sharif arrested on arrival in Pakistan as 132 people die in bombing
So many articles concentrate on the arrest with the bombing thrown in as a afterthought. Sad.
Two unrelated events I think.
Unrelated to the convict Nawaz.
The guy targeted in the bombing was one of the biggest pro-Pakistani Baloch, so it was obvious why he was targeted.