Pakistan

Zlatattack said:
So, PM Imran Khan claims to have evidence that the plot to remove him is funded and motivated by foreign governments. He has shown the letter to the military and some senior journalists. He is contemplating making it public.

Today the Islamabad High Court has forbidden him from releasing anything that would be considered a state secret.
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When pakistan did not condemn russia like how the west wanted it to, i was wondering how long before regime change is on the cards. They can't do regime change in India as easily and even if they did the congress would also not abandon the russians either. If India jumps into the russia and china bandwagon (provided china gave up its claims on Indian territory) then pakistan will become very important for the west/nato and they will try there best to have a regime that is a lackey of the west/nato. If that happens then pakistan will play the role of ukraine.

The way forward is for pakistan to abandon terrorism, settle disputes with India and accept the status quo in kashmir as the international border provided India reduces its military presence in kashmir (except border areas) and pakistan stops aiding the separatist movement. The only winner from this conflict is the west/nato and china. However, I don't see this happening because pakistan is set for regime change and the right wing Indian govt has no interest in peace with pakistan (even if they did they wouldn't because then they wouldn't be able to use pakistan bogey electorally).

To mend this great leaders and statesmen will be required with mass backing, not the small men currently at the helm.
 
VidaRed said:
When pakistan did not condemn russia like how the west wanted it to, i was wondering how long before regime change is on the cards. They can't do regime change in India as easily and even if they did the congress would also not abandon the russians either. If India jumps into the russia and china bandwagon (provided china gave up its claims on Indian territory) then pakistan will become very important for the west/nato and they will try there best to have a regime that is a lackey of the west/nato. If that happens then pakistan will play the role of ukraine.

The way forward is for pakistan to abandon terrorism, settle disputes with India and accept the status quo in kashmir as the international border provided India reduces its military presence in kashmir (except border areas) and pakistan stops aiding the separatist movement. The only winner from this conflict is the west/nato and china. However, I don't see this happening because pakistan is set for regime change and the right wing Indian govt has no interest in peace with pakistan (even if they did they wouldn't because then they wouldn't be able to use pakistan bogey electorally).

To mend this great leaders and statesmen will be required with mass backing, not the small men currently at the helm.
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Got any in mind, please do share. Because the 'leaders' that India and America are trying to get into power are going to be a shit storm for the country and for the region.

Think Donald Trump, but so, so much worse.
 
Dumbstar said:
Got any in mind, please do share. Because the 'leaders' that India and America are trying to get into power are going to be a shit storm for the country and for the region.
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Don't know why you're tagging India, because sure as hell, the buffoons in power here have no capability to influence anything outside our own border, let alone in toppling Imran Khan.
 
MDFC Manager said:
Don't know why you're tagging India, because sure as hell, the buffoons in power here have no capability to influence anything outside our own border, let alone in toppling Imran Khan.
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Cannot believe people think they are some sort of mastermind who can control Pakistan govt :lol::lol:
 
Dumbstar said:
Got any in mind, please do share. Because the 'leaders' that India and America are trying to get into power are going to be a shit storm for the country and for the region.

Think Donald Trump, but so, so much worse.
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India has no role whatsoever in regime change in pakistan. Its a fight between west/nato and china.
 
Really hope that the information Imran Khan has re foreign interference is enough to save him...elections soon either way?
 
VidaRed said:
When pakistan did not condemn russia like how the west wanted it to, i was wondering how long before regime change is on the cards. They can't do regime change in India as easily and even if they did the congress would also not abandon the russians either. If India jumps into the russia and china bandwagon (provided china gave up its claims on Indian territory) then pakistan will become very important for the west/nato and they will try there best to have a regime that is a lackey of the west/nato. If that happens then pakistan will play the role of ukraine.

The way forward is for pakistan to abandon terrorism, settle disputes with India and accept the status quo in kashmir as the international border provided India reduces its military presence in kashmir (except border areas) and pakistan stops aiding the separatist movement. The only winner from this conflict is the west/nato and china. However, I don't see this happening because pakistan is set for regime change and the right wing Indian govt has no interest in peace with pakistan (even if they did they wouldn't because then they wouldn't be able to use pakistan bogey electorally).

To mend this great leaders and statesmen will be required with mass backing, not the small men currently at the helm.
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I think the biggest winner, from India and Pakistan remaining enemies, is the west. Its imperative for the west that the two countries remain as enemies and they can be used like puppets providing a pro-west regime is in either country at any one time. Of course, the two nations are very stubborn and there is a deep routed caste and culture system of pride and respect in both countries so neither will back down.

For Pakistan, if Imran Khan is removed, then I will not he surprised if a mini civil war erupts. I don't think I will see a corruption free version of Pakistan in My lifetime.
 
Relevated said:
I think the biggest winner, from India and Pakistan remaining enemies, is the west. Its imperative for the west that the two countries remain as enemies and they can be used like puppets providing a pro-west regime is in either country at any one time. Of course, the two nations are very stubborn and there is a deep routed caste and culture system of pride and respect in both countries so neither will back down.

For Pakistan, if Imran Khan is removed, then I will not he surprised if a mini civil war erupts. I don't think I will see a corruption free version of Pakistan in My lifetime.
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I would say China is the main beneficary of India and Pakistan being at logerheads and some kind of reconcilation between two into allies would be a huge threat to China.
 
Relevated said:
Washington will not be happy with him after today.
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No one's going to bat an eyelid against what the US have evidently just done, because hooray they did it against filthy brown Muslims (in case anyone doesn't know the context I'm one of the filthy brown Pakistani Muslims).
 
Dumbstar said:
No one's going to bat an eyelid against what the US have evidently just done, because hooray they did it against filthy brown Muslims (in case anyone doesn't know the context I'm one of the filthy brown Pakistani Muslims).
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Why your PM Imran Khan went to Russia before the invasion when Ukraine has been an Ally of Pakistan? They have supported you in anti India topics.
 
I'm not sure the US has orchestrated this. Sure the US wasn't happy with Pakistan being neutral with regards to the war, but given that US has left Afghanistan, I don't think Pakistan is off that much strategic importance anymore.
 
gorky_utd said:
Why your PM Imran Khan went to Russia before the invasion when Ukraine has been an Ally of Pakistan? They have supported you in anti India topics.
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That's politics. You should see who my British prime minister is in bed with regularly. Just to name one.

Edit: it may be coming across as I'm some die hard Imran Khan fan. I'm not, but he's the best we've got right now considering the monsters that are festering underneath waiting to surface.
 
hasanejaz88 said:
I'm not sure the US has orchestrated this. Sure the US wasn't happy with Pakistan being neutral with regards to the war, but given that US has left Afghanistan, I don't think Pakistan is off that much strategic importance anymore.
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Could be middlemen trouble makers trying to set something off. But there's been a distinct lack of denials and IK would have 'done his research' before waving papers in the air.
 
PedroMendez said:


Pakistan: Why is Imran Khan blaming the West for his downfall? | Asia | An in-depth look at news from across the continent | DW | 31.03.2022
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Wait is this a whoosh? The American twat, in an official capacity as the leaders of the 'free' world, officially undermining a democratically elected leader and government that is internally being hounded by hugely proven corrupt and murderous oligarchs (Zardari / Shariff).

No wonder Putin doesn't want these hypocrites using Ukraine as another NATO base. But obviously, the Americans' threat-no-threat communication to Pakistan will be brushed under the carpet. :rolleyes:
 
hasanejaz88 said:
I'm not sure the US has orchestrated this. Sure the US wasn't happy with Pakistan being neutral with regards to the war, but given that US has left Afghanistan, I don't think Pakistan is off that much strategic importance anymore.
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Pakistan is of huge strategic importance as it is the pathway for each single other country bordering. Pakistan Is a hot spot to control South Asia.
 
So is the democratically elected leader correct to dissolve the democratic process of removing him?
 
Simbo said:
So is the democratically elected leader correct to dissolve the democratic process of removing him?
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When other democratic world powers are correct in externally attempting to usurp a democratically elected leader, then what happens next will blow for mind....! Click here.
 
Just been catching up on Imran Khan's tactics. Beautiful. This is why he will always be our world cup winning Captain. Defeat for the ordinary Pakistani people coming from all angles but he pulls the country through regardless. :D

Let the people decide. Perfect. Now THAT's what you call democracy. :cool:
 
Well that's Pakistan f*£&&££d. Supreme Court overrules the dissolution of parliament. No fresh elections. The hyenas will be feasting again on Pakistan. Swiss bank accounts are ready!
 
Yep. Expect bankruptcy within the next few years I reckon. It's a shame, it was so close to turning a corner.

Never mind - there will be more F16s and fancy retirement packages for the Generals in the US.
 
A democratic govt gets toppled because it didn't bark as uncle yankee ordered. When will pakistan grow a pair and throw out the foreign meddling ?
 
As much as I hate how the US influences governments throughout the globe, I don't think they'd had a hand in this. I think IK was branding the letter in a last ditch attempt to sway the no confidence vote.
 
VidaRed said:
A democratic govt gets toppled because it didn't bark as uncle yankee ordered. When will pakistan grow a pair and throw out the foreign meddling ?
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Not yet apparently. It's ridiculous how sold out that country is. The politicians, the judges, anyone who is anyone is up for sale.

Courts held a session and declared govt should be re-instated and PM should face vote of no confidence. Completely ignored and refused to address the accusations of the VNC being prompted due to foreign interference.

TBF Imran Khan could be lying about it, but it's up to the highest court to get to the bottom of it surely, not facilitate a judicial coup.
 
Aren't Sri Lanka going through something similar for not backing the West/US in the Ukraine War?
 
Spoony said:
Aren't Sri Lanka going through something similar for not backing the West/US in the Ukraine War?
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I think their situation is a bit different.

Rising fuel costs, inflation, and a stagnant economy is causing civil unrest in the country. To compound the difficulty, there’s been poor farming yields, no foreign currency (dollars) to pay for anything, and electricity outages are getting longer and longer. It’s a recipe for disaster.

Not sure what Rajapakse is doing about it all, but he’s hiding in his mansion in the hills I think.
 
Zlatattack said:
Not yet apparently. It's ridiculous how sold out that country is. The politicians, the judges, anyone who is anyone is up for sale.

Courts held a session and declared govt should be re-instated and PM should face vote of no confidence. Completely ignored and refused to address the accusations of the VNC being prompted due to foreign interference.

TBF Imran Khan could be lying about it, but it's up to the highest court to get to the bottom of it surely, not facilitate a judicial coup.
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It's up to him to present the evidence to be fair. Not just waving a piece of paper around.
 
VidaRed said:
A democratic govt gets toppled because it didn't bark as uncle yankee ordered. When will pakistan grow a pair and throw out the foreign meddling ?
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Khan has a pair. He has a huge pair and he tried. But the country is so engrossed in corruption, as Zlat said, that it seems ordinary Pak people will quickly get over it and back to their own petty corruptions.

No hope for this country I'm afraid. The people are getting exactly the leaders that mirror them and they deserve.
 
Spoony said:
Aren't Sri Lanka going through something similar for not backing the West/US in the Ukraine War?
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What happens when there are no laws and the people in power have a free hand to loot all the money. That is one of the things that has happened.

And then absolute dumb decision to suddenly ask all traditional farmers to stop using fertilizers/pesticides and go complete organic. 80% of the crops failed in a single year, creating a nationwide food shortage.
 
Heartbreaking.

feck each and every person involved in this, both in Pakistan, the cnuts sat in London, and the US
 
Back to being a third world shithole again.

Now we will see PM shabaz Sharif, the bilawal Bhutto, then maryam Sharif, the bilawal Bhutto, the maryam again, then some other aseefa Zardari then hamza Sharif then aseefa Zardari then hamza Sharif, then the next Bhutto to be born, the Junaid safdar, then the baby Bhutto again, the junaid safdar.
 
Does the opposition that voted down have a majority for an alternative government?
 
Zlatattack said:
Back to being a third world shithole again.

Now we will see PM shabaz Sharif, the bilawal Bhutto, then maryam Sharif, the bilawal Bhutto, the maryam again, then some other aseefa Zardari then hamza Sharif then aseefa Zardari then hamza Sharif, then the next Bhutto to be born, the Junaid safdar, then the baby Bhutto again, the junaid safdar.
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Its just depressing as heck. Same old corruption.

Wonder what the chances are of Nawaz Sharif's "illness" vanishing now and him being on the flight back to Pakistan in the coming days.
 
It's in the Pakistani people's hands now. Riot, protest, make a noise that can be heard in India and Afghanistan. Make the army come in and take control. Even they will be a million times better than any political party barring Imran Khan.

Or sit there and do nothing and be rear hole raped into the next century. You, the people, ultimately will get the leaders you deserve.
 
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