Looks like the BBC reported inaccurately. Govt as denied it, although legally she is free to go where she likes. I hope wherever she is, she's given adequete security, these bigots will come for us all, one by one.
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Let’s hope the whole family is on a plane out of Pakistan very, very soon. They should ideally be able to stay but sadly they’ll never be safe there.
Personally I'd prefer they stayed and the government took on the bigots head on. TBH though, if it was my family - i'd want them out to safety too.
The people who accused her, and now demonstrating against Asia Bibi being found innocent are Muslims. There are simple guidelines in Islam and it's not difficult for any person to follow these rules and lack of worldly or religious education is no excuse. Hence me quoting "How this is not practised is beyond me as a Muslim."
They are a very poor family and to be fair they're life will be transformed moving to the West. Even if the family were to be guaranteed safety they'd still move.
Been following this story of the past few days. These people are fecking animals. No religion advocates actions like this.
I hope the family has the opportunity to settle in a civilised country.
I hope the family has the opportunity to settle in a civilised country.
Article by Brannon Ingram, author of an upcoming book on the Deobandi movement:
Understanding the Deoband Movement
https://www.themaydan.com/2018/11/understanding-deoband-movement/
"When I began researching the Deoband movement as a graduate student, I knew basically three things about the Deobandis: there are hundreds of madrasas around the world modelled after the original Deobandi seminary, the Dar al-‘Ulum Deoband, founded in British India in 1866; the Deobandis have generally been vociferous critics of Sufi devotional practices, like the saint’s death anniversary (‘urs), garnering them a reputation for being “anti” Sufi, even as they identify as Sufis; and the Taliban emerged out of Deobandi seminaries in northwest Pakistan. I began the dissertation seeking to ascertain how these aspects of the movement connect. I quickly realized the third aspect – connections to the Taliban – was a matter of paramount interest to journalists, policy makers, and NGOs, but of little interest whatsoever to actual, living Deobandis. But the connection between the first two aspects perplexed me. How were they related? How did Deobandis’ critique of Sufism travel? Did it travel everywhere Deobandis went, or only selectively? To whom and in what forms did Deobandis voice that critique? To answer these questions, I followed the Deoband movement from India to South Africa, home to some of the most prominent Deobandi seminaries and scores of prominent Deobandi scholars."
Understanding the Deoband Movement
https://www.themaydan.com/2018/11/understanding-deoband-movement/
"When I began researching the Deoband movement as a graduate student, I knew basically three things about the Deobandis: there are hundreds of madrasas around the world modelled after the original Deobandi seminary, the Dar al-‘Ulum Deoband, founded in British India in 1866; the Deobandis have generally been vociferous critics of Sufi devotional practices, like the saint’s death anniversary (‘urs), garnering them a reputation for being “anti” Sufi, even as they identify as Sufis; and the Taliban emerged out of Deobandi seminaries in northwest Pakistan. I began the dissertation seeking to ascertain how these aspects of the movement connect. I quickly realized the third aspect – connections to the Taliban – was a matter of paramount interest to journalists, policy makers, and NGOs, but of little interest whatsoever to actual, living Deobandis. But the connection between the first two aspects perplexed me. How were they related? How did Deobandis’ critique of Sufism travel? Did it travel everywhere Deobandis went, or only selectively? To whom and in what forms did Deobandis voice that critique? To answer these questions, I followed the Deoband movement from India to South Africa, home to some of the most prominent Deobandi seminaries and scores of prominent Deobandi scholars."
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Stunningly backwards.
Most of the country aren't. The best comparison i can give is how the gun lobby have huge influence in America, the blasphemy thugs are the same way, they just have the threat of violence behind them too.
Stone age cnuts.
https://www.thenews.com.pk/amp/4012...solving-afghan-mess?__twitter_impression=true
Trump really is an idiot if this is true, first he insults us and now he wants our help.
Trump really is an idiot if this is true, first he insults us and now he wants our help.
Surprised you did not post about Kartarpur here, glad the government is taking a step in the right direction regarding other faiths and India.
I didn’t hear anything, what’s the story?
Three kilometres from the Indian border, in the tranquil green plains of the Narowal district of Punjab in Pakistan is an unassuming sacred shrine: Gurdwara Kartarpur Sahib. It’s the final resting place of Guru Nanak (1469-1539), founder of the Sikh faith.
It pains me to see this divided legacy and narrow-minded nationalistic tentacles spread over the social, cultural and economic milieu of this historic region. As a Sikh, I’m resigned to the fact that most Sikhs will never be able to visit the birthplace of Guru Nanak and the place where he settled, preached and passed away. He spent the last 18 years of his life living in Kartarpur, setting up the first Gurdwara and establishing the first Sikh community. It was here that langar (communal cooking and dining, without price or prejudice), an integral, iconic part of the Sikh faith, began.
The visa-free corridor presents real opportunities for the Sikh community and for India-Pakistan relations. Yet the immediate response has been Janus-faced: alternatively euphoric and wary. While Pakistan’s prime minister, Imran Khan, attended the recent ceremony and laid the foundation stone, India’s prime minister, foreign minister, and the chief minister of Indian Punjab, stayed away, citing Pakistan’s alleged involvement in recent incidents of terrorism in India.
Pakistan’s prime minster, Imran Khan, at the groundbreaking ceremony for the new visa-free Kartarpur corridor. Rahat Dar/EPA
It is easy to be cynical about the significance of the new corridor, because both India and Pakistan have failed to find a peaceful way of living together for the past 71 years. Many opportunities for peace have been squandered in the past. This latest initiative, while welcome, remains a local affair and is unlikely to impact on the tense politics of the relationship between the two countries.
It might well prove to only be a vanity project for Khan, but still it presents Pakistan with an opportunity to offer a peaceful fig leaf to India. Perhaps India is happy to play along for now as part of a strategy to improve its standing in Punjab ahead of elections due in 2019. But, for the Sikh community this might still be a portentous moment, promising some regular, if limited, connection to the soil of Guru Nanak.
http://theconversation.com/sikh-shr...free-kartarpur-corridor-is-so-historic-108092
Thought that might be the case, as you normally post stuff like this.
That's a good move. Kartarpur is like Bethlehem or Madina. Denying Sikhs access is ridiculous.
Also northern Pakistan is ridiculously beautiful to visit though unfortunately is the most heavily terrorist hit. The irony is the lack of tourists may be what is preserving the natural beauty.
I know I would love to visit as soon as it's safe. The furthest I've been is Abbottabad and Murree and that was scary enough.
Also northern Pakistan is ridiculously beautiful to visit though unfortunately is the most heavily terrorist hit. The irony is the lack of tourists may be what is preserving the natural beauty.
I know I would love to visit as soon as it's safe. The furthest I've been is Abbottabad and Murree and that was scary enough.
That's a good move. Kartarpur is like Bethlehem or Madina. Denying Sikhs access is ridiculous.
Also northern Pakistan is ridiculously beautiful to visit though unfortunately is the most heavily terrorist hit. The irony is the lack of tourists may be what is preserving the natural beauty.
I know I would love to visit as soon as it's safe. The furthest I've been is Abbottabad and Murree and that was scary enough.
From what ive witnessed in India that is spot on.
That's a good move. Kartarpur is like Bethlehem or Madina. Denying Sikhs access is ridiculous.
Also northern Pakistan is ridiculously beautiful to visit though unfortunately is the most heavily terrorist hit. The irony is the lack of tourists may be what is preserving the natural beauty.
I know I would love to visit as soon as it's safe. The furthest I've been is Abbottabad and Murree and that was scary enough.
How did you get scared in Murree? Other than swat region, and even most of that is safe, there is literally nothing to worry about with regards to terrorists now.
Other than swat region, and even most of that is safe, there is literally nothing to worry about with regards to terrorists now.
Kidnappings mate. I walk and talk (accent) like a foreigner. And I was talking about 10-15 years ago when it was a lot scarier. Hopefully the situation is changing as you mention.
Ahh yeah that might be an issue back then. Can't comment as obviously won't face the same issue and didn't follow news back then. Murree nowadays is very touristy, so much so that we generally avoid going there and go to other areas in the north which has less trash and people. But even those are pretty safe and the locals are very hospital, more than people in big cities.
That’s when I visited the north. I think the really dodgy years were around 2007-2013 or so. Hopefully things can return to the pre-9/11 days.
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/sto...instream-says-its-minister-1598546-2019-09-12
A surprisingly frank article, but all over the place. Not sure I understand the comments on Govt taking over banned terrorist organizations.
A surprisingly frank article, but all over the place. Not sure I understand the comments on Govt taking over banned terrorist organizations.
A bit of new bottle, old wine me thinks. Being situated where we are, unstable Afghanistan, aggresive India - it'd be unwise for the state to lose the capacity to use military proxies, but at the same time, they don't want them to have a public open presence, they won't tolerate people doing their own thing forcing the state to react.
The state wants to be able to present itself as the ultimate power, with no other military presence in the land. They'll get rid of anyone who doesn't agree with that, or keep them under lock and key until they toe the line.
Tightening of the leash is probably what is happening - all dressed up as dismantling and reform. In truth existing groups and their infrastructure is being dismantled, i just personally expect they'll probably re-assemble elements who are willing to do thier dirty work; all states have dirty work.
Some color footage of Lahore just before partition:
My grandfather used to practice in the lahore high court as a barrister. Before partition the lahore high court had jurisdiction till delhi, infact pre-partition judgments of lahore high court are still precedent in the courts of punjab, haryana, himachal and delhi.
A bit off-topic but I wasn't aware how big Pakistan's population was: ~215 million. That's huge.
Things looking a bit grim for Imran Khan and the ruling party. Army flexing again?
@Zlatattack what's the mood in the country?
@Zlatattack what's the mood in the country?
It's going mad. All the opposition have teamed up and are in the process of buying the votes of enough of his MP's and political allies to win a vote of no confidence against him. He's held a massive rally to show his support amongst the masses.
Latest news is that they have also submitted a motion of no confidence against the Chief Minister of the Punjab Assembly. The CM has always been an unpopular figure and he's not from a big political dynasty in Punjab and considered to be the PM's yes man. One of the PM's biggest supporters, Jahangir Tareen (JKT) expected to be given the CM'ship of Punjab but he was banned from politics shortly after the election for tax irregularities. He's a billionaire industrialist and holds a lot of sway in Punjab. He's always been bitter about this and has put together a forward bloc of PTI politicians who are behind the move against the Punjab CM.
The ruling party PTI has announced that in Punjab, they are willing to back one of their allies Pervez Elahi in Punjab. Elahi is a shady character with a few seats in the national assembly too, but his few MP's are govt allies and their support is being bought by giving them leadership of Punjab in the hope they back them in the national assembly and save PMIK's bacon.
Votes of Parliamentarians are being purchased for billions of ruppees. The corrupt know that if they invest it today, they'll earn it back tenfold once in govt.
Does this mean it’s game over for Imran Khan as the PM?
potentially, there will be a vote of confidence at some point. At the moment, he has a minority govt.
Well it was good (hopeful anyway) while it lasted. Back to 25 years of utter corruption and feeding ground for domestic and international terrorism again. This will be my last quarter decade on the planet (if I even live that long) to witness yet another round of Zardaris and Sharifs.
Well it was good (hopeful anyway) while it lasted. Back to 25 years of utter corruption and feeding ground for domestic and international terrorism again. This will be my last quarter decade on the planet (if I even live that long) to witness yet another round of Zardaris and Sharifs.
If these people get another 25 years there won't be a Pakistan at the end of it. 350 million poor, illiterate people, fueled to hate people of a different caste, ethnicity, religion, sect - that's not going to be pretty. Thats the politics the opposition provide. Not a single one of them is a national party, not anymore.
It would be a disaster if Imran Khan gets booted out by this.
So, PM Imran Khan claims to have evidence that the plot to remove him is funded and motivated by foreign governments. He has shown the letter to the military and some senior journalists. He is contemplating making it public.
Today the Islamabad High Court has forbidden him from releasing anything that would be considered a state secret.
Today the Islamabad High Court has forbidden him from releasing anything that would be considered a state secret.
Surprised he’s lasted this long tbh. Thought he’d have been over thrown ages ago.
Me too. Clearly, a more tolerant leader is required to stop things getting out of hand.
https://thediplomat.com/2021/06/imran-khan-has-normalized-prejudice-in-pakistan/
There definitely have been messages by the US that Pakistan has to wise-up otherwise there could be repercussions, don't think it can go to the extent of funding an overthrow given that PTI will still technically remain in power (only IK can't be prime minister).
Hey, atleast it aint an apartheid.