Why did they not go out and just have a smash? Same mistake as first match.
Pakistan vs England (in UAE) 2012
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Why did they not go out and just have a smash? Same mistake as first match.
I was reading that Flower likes to have a set gameplan and that this has slowly driven out trusting the players to make decisions on the field of play. England has become too robotic?
Well that was unexpected, superb result for Pakistan. This team really has got some impressive results with Misbah as captain and long may that continue!
Does this still leave England as No 1 .... Guess India getting murdered and embarrassed by Australia leaves England no 1 by default?
Great for world cricket though, now that Australia and Pakistan are rebuilding quality teams.
Great for world cricket though, now that Australia and Pakistan are rebuilding quality teams.
I couldn't keep up with the fall of wickets there.
With all the focus on Ajmal people forgot how good a bowler Rehman is. Add to that hafeez being able to bowl spin with a new ball and you have a very capable spin attack. Imagine you added Afridi to that mix!
Only Broad got a cracker IMO.
The rest got themselves out in their own heads.
Not the first time with England, just alot of us had kidded ourselves due to the rankings we had moved past that frailty...
Nah, you're being too harsh, both sides struggled with the bat...so, it wasn't suprising the fourth innings turned out the way it did. Facing a quality bowling attack, some out of form batsmen playing in fairly tricky conditions... it clearly wasn't going to be easy. I think we'll probably see more of the same in Dubai. My only gripe was England batsmen panicking after getting bogged down...the two Pakistan batsmen kept on the grind, I see no reason Strauss and co couldn't have done the same. But heh, that's the game, a lot of it's played in the head.
Test Rankings are officially calculated at the end of a test series. So I think England are safe. But I am not making a prediction.
Has some kind of 'midas' touch. Can any Pakistan fan explain abit more about him, personality, profile ec. He has done an amazing job in past 9 months, perhaps the best job in global sport?
To a point - Pakistan were facing Swann and Panesar.
But England were facing Ajmal, Rehman and Hafeez.
Swann bowls too slowly for these conditions. Anyway, the game has changed thanks to DRS. You simply can't pad up anymore.
Not taking anything away from Pakistan at all - They deserve the result and are a seriously good team now, led by a good captain. Not sure why they want to play in Pakistan - UAE has been brilliant for them
but England are hapless against quality spin(bar the odd performance). Mentally, the batsmen are apprehensive, and unsure of their technique.KP - has a scary record against left arm spin(he even struggled against Bangladesh in that department)
Morgan - is NOT a test player, and he showed that once again, his 'shot' was neither vertical or horizontal - no conviction behind it, and ended up getting bowled.
Pressure + Momentum are huge in cricket, so with wickets falling every other over as you said, new batsmen would have felt a ton of pressure, and succumbed to it, but their play against spin this series has been oh so predictable.
ranked as 'top spinner in the world' in the ranking?
which is a great development for cricket. Evens it out between batsman and bowler ... in recent years, everything was going in the batsmans favour.
DRS has improved the game. i wonder what impact it will have on batsmen averages.
True. As I said, they should've kept on grinding. A big thing was made of Cook and Strauss not scoring for 7 overs....when Shafiq and Ali didn't score a run for more than 50 balls.
Good question. I'd say lack of b***s.
I'm not sure Pakistan are rebuilding. I'd say more consolidating.
Misbah, Ajmal, Younis, and Rehman are in the twilight of their careers.
It also depends on the conditions. I would say I would rather have Ajmal than Swann.
Misbah comes across as a very knowledgeable chap, knows his game and his team well.
We've essentially got a bunch of home teams. I bet Sri Lanka and India would turn over South Africa and Australia at home.
One for the Pakistan supporters where have Ajmal and Rehman been in their youth. Actuall add Misbah to that.
Pakistan used to blood youngsters but it seems these three started their careers in their 30's.
Pakistan used to blood youngsters but it seems these three started their careers in their 30's.
OK, that was nice to build up to todays main course ..... see you all in the Match day thread!
I agree.
You'll see Ajmal top the charts over the next couple of years...he's virtually unplayable under current conditions(DRS).
It really is appalling that the 'better' Test nations get beaten so easily when the conditions do not suit them.
Pakistan have had exceptional spinners throughout their history. Difficult to have got into the side in front of greats such as Saqlain, Mushy and others.
Unless you play India.
I think its pretty machevellian by India not to use DRS it should be enforced.
I know but over the last 5 years you had Kaneria who I never thought was that good.
Saqlain retired?
Yeap, very sad for cricket IMO.
I am disgusted by comments by Indian players or admins n this regard anyway.
And this is no surprise. English are hopeless against spin both when it comes to technique and more importantly mentally.
Anyway the match is starting now.. ta
Any more predictions?
This isn't including your first test predictions.
Well at least I have been consistent.
I think England were a bit over confident like myself. It's a lesson learned.
Why, you think I affected the decision?
I wasn't wumming.
Can I say it for the 10th time? Morgan isn't a test batsman.
I said similar as soon as he came to bat.
Geoff Boycott after the match.
I've seen some bad performances over the years but that's as bad as I've seen. I couldn't find any excuses and I wouldn't want to. They had to change the batting order, but to not be able to make 150? They were missing straight balls. And [Eoin] Morgan? If he's a Test player, I'm going to eat that famous hat. You'd have to see it to believe how bad it was
I said after the first test Ravi Bopara or Patel should be in the team. Both superb players of spin. They can also be handy bowlers in these conditions.
Pakistan's batsmen are still not good enough for me. What happened to the Akmal brothers? And Younies Khan?
Well at least I have been consistent.
I think England were a bit over confident like myself. It's a lesson learned.
Why, you think I affected the decision?
I wasn't wumming.
Sorry Commadus, I played 'It' with you earlier in our conversations and I'm afraid when you were starting to predict correctly too often I simply had to give you my hoodoo. Went downhill spectactularly for you since.
I was shocked by the result, I always trust Pakistan bowlers (spinners) on these tracks but expected more from English batsmen. Maybe if Trott hadn't been ill things might have been different.
Great to see the Pakistan team celebrating a win like it means the world to them, instead of kicking themselves for losing out on a few million rupees.
The myth of Morgan playing spin came after he reverse-sweeped a couple of ordinary Bangladeshis. He's regularly struggled against (similarly ordinary, but a little better) spin in the IPL.
No....
It was his ODI exploits that started this rubbish.
In tests, he averaged 40 against Bangladesh(81 runs in two tests with 6 boundaries - no sixes), and didn't dominate the spinners at all. Bangladeshi spinners did well against Morgan and Pietersen.
He in fact has a century against India and Pakistan along with multiple half centuries, nothing against Bangladesh. He got into a groove against SL - averaging 56 against them, and had a very good strike rate along with a couple of towering sixes.
In ODI cricket against Bangladesh he averages 32 after 10 innings, and even that because of one unbeaten century, take that away and his average is 23.6
So stop trying to call Shakib ordinary or I'll cut you
No....
It was his ODI exploits that started this rubbish.
In tests, he averaged 40 against Bangladesh(81 runs in two tests with 6 boundaries - no sixes), and didn't dominate the spinners at all. Bangladeshi spinners did well against Morgan and Pietersen.
He in fact has a century against India and Pakistan along with multiple half centuries, nothing against Bangladesh. He got into a groove against SL - averaging 56 against them, and had a very good strike rate along with a couple of towering sixes.
In ODI cricket against Bangladesh he averages 32 after 10 innings, and even that because of one unbeaten century, take that away and his average is 23.6
So stop trying to call Shakib ordinary or I'll cut you
I remember he played a couple of good innings against Bangladesh which pretty much gave all the hype to his career. He's still living off that, that's what I mean. Maybe it was 1 innings against Bangla and another against the Saffers or so. Don't remember exactly.
I think it's terrific for cricket. Barring India, these other teams seem ruthless and have the will to win. They won't take this lying down. England under Flower and Strauss, and Australia under Clarke and the new selection panel want to win. The BCCI doesn't.
Unfortunate for us, but world cricket's in a good position if these teams consolidate.
And yes, the comments from the Indian players is revolting and embarrassing.
Not the words of people who want to win. No fight.
Not the words of people who want to win. No fight.
India need to get behind the DRS. Spinners + DRS is incredibly potent against England.