Pakistan vs England (in UAE) 2012

No complaints if we get beat here.

This run chase has been fairly cowardly, and not one of a team allegedly playing the best cricket in the world.
 
Rehmans looks Warne like in whwt I've seen this past 20 mins! Who said it was all about Ajmal.

Just what would this attack have been like with Amir and co?
 
sammsky1 said:
Rehmans looks Warne like in whwt I've seen this past 20 mins! Who said it was all about Ajmal.

Just what would this attack have been like with Amir and co?
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Would probably have been more no balls.
 
Sultan said:
That comment was actually directed at you suggesting Pakistan were awful with their reviews.

Sarcasm.
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Sarcasm doesnt come across well on the net.

Anyway this is not great viewing.

Swann and Prior to see us through.
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
Reviews tend to be unsuccessful because DRS supports the umpire's call. So, unless it's a complete howler it won't get overturned.
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Thats why I support it. Close calls should go with umpires insticnct but as we have seen over the years with DRS, some howlers do get made ... not fault of umpire, they are just human. Football needs an equivalent asap!
 
sammsky1 said:
oh sod off.

I dont even support Pakistan.

But with the two banned bowlers, this would have been possibly the finest bowling attack I've seen in many many years,
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Just on the issue of Amir I hope he is not given a long ban by the ICC - 6 months max.

I think he was young and impressionable. He is what cricket needs.
 
Commadus said:
Yes I have.

It says Pakistan with their excitable Keeper have been going for crazy appeals. I keep btw and a Keeper should pretty well know when its hitting and when its not. Appealing for everything does not help the captain.
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then you will know the role of a very vocal wicketkeeper. Priceless for bowler motivation.

Oh dear and yet another one bites the dust.

Glad I just work up to see the end of this.

Incredible.
 
Pakistan have bowled well, but this hasn't been a Warne like performance, England simply very poor, and their ineptness against quality spin is again being exposed.

I thought Pakistan were 30-40 runs short, but it seems I overestimated the England batting under the circumstances.
 
Bloody hell .... real turbulence in the cricket world top table right now:

England thrash the Aussies
The Aussies alienate India
Pakistan thrash England.

Guess its all up for grabs for SA then!
 
Neutral said:
Pakistan have bowled well, but this hasn't been a Warne like performance, England simply very poor, and their ineptness against quality spin is again being exposed.

I thought Pakistan were 30-40 runs short, but it seems I overestimated the England batting under the circumstances.
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Dont agree, some of the wickets I've just seen have been 'snorters'.
 
Commadus said:
It's not over. Prior is still around.
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Amazed somebody in England did not just charge and thrash out?

Why not have approached in innings like a 20:20 innings? Would have been better than 72-9 surely?!

England strategy shocking!
 
sammsky1 said:
Utterly surprised by this result. Watched most of it live and came to the following conclusions/observations:



1. Ajmal will dominate world cricket for the next 5 years or more and become Warne and Murali's successor as the spin king of global cricket. He is lucky to have other very talented spinners like Rehman and Haveez to build rapport and momentum with. And with his new delivery, the 'teesra' (the doosra that does nothing), batsmen in the future are in real trouble.

The 'teesra' is almost unplayable, hence why Ajmal broke the world record for most LBW wickets taken by a bowler in a test (7 of his 10 wickets). An astute and well drilled batsmen can 'pick' the doosra. But what happens when you pick the doosra, play the shot accordingly for it then not to behave as the doosra does, ie not spin and just follow on in a straight trajectory, hence why Ajmal got so many LBWs and will continue to do so for many more years.

2. Pakistan's resilience and depth of cricketing talent is astonishing. Salman Butt is a wonderful and technically skilful batsman with much promise. But even more critically and as we all know, Aamir and Asif were perhaps the two finest fast bowlers in the world (or least on their way to becoming so) with the wicked ability to move the ball in the air through seam and swing. Aamir especially had an entire lifetime of cricketing devastation ahead of him; I had him down to become as successful and brilliant as Wasim Akram. I hope for the sake of the game, he can resurrect his career once he serves out his various correctly administered bans.

To bowl England out for less than 200 in each innings without these two bowlers is just a small demonstration of the depth of bowling talent at their disposal.

Just imagine a spell of bowling with a mature Aamir at one end and Ajmal at the other. It would invoke memories of Warne/McGrath or Akram/Mushtaq or Waqer/Saqlain at their very very best.


3. Pakistan are probably 'the most amazing team in the world of global sport' right now. The stuff 'sporting team movies' are made off. To have to cope with the spot betting scandal and lose the very important match winning players mentioned above, to have to deal with the knock on effect of those actions to national pride as well as team morale. To play effectively as the global nomads of international cricket without a 'home pitch' to play on and having the bare the shame that led to that eventuality. The teams response to these adversities and the achievements of the past year are nothing short of miraculous.

They did themselves proud at the recent cricket world cup and under new captain Misbah are in an amazing run of form. They are good enough to beat anybody right now. As I said, given the recent history of calamitous and shameful events, their recent sporting results are nothing short of being probably the greatest sporting story of teamwork in global sport right now.

4. England have started this tour with arrogance abound and are totally undercooked and mentally under prepared. I think they thought this would be a roll over and so are not mentally in the right place; certainly nothing close to the mental and technical focus they had before recent ashes series' or playing India in England. They should be ashamed of that and the coach and captain must be taken to task for that.

Its not acceptable for the No 1 ranked team in the world to have such habits and it needs to be stamped out immediately. Think back to some previous glory days of United: the days of Ince, Keane, Beckham, Irwin, Hughes, Pallister, Schmeichel etc. Forget talent or flare, there was never any harder working team than Manchester United. No other team we played covered as much grass, ran more miles, was as intense in every tackle, fought tooth and nail with the ref for every decision. These are traits of a No 1 teams.

The great West Indies team of the 1980s had it. So did the Aussies for the past 10 years. But right now in world cricket, as the no 1 spot is up for grabs and on constant rotation, no team seems prepared to work consistently hard enough to own the title. To be no 1, you have to want it really badly. Im not sure if England (or indeed India) want it badly enough.

5. Englands tactics going into this game were disastrous. How can Pakistan go into the game with 3 spinners and England only 1?! It makes no sense that the teams has such different opinions on the wicket or what a match winning strategy would require.

The only sense I can make of it is arrogance. These days, everything is known about anything in world cricket. And England's army of analysts and back-room staff are far better technology equipped than the Pakistanis. They would have known everything there was to know about the stadium, the wicket, the conditions, the likely type of bowler who will make the difference. FFS, they even had it shown to them in the dress reherasal with Monty Panesar's great display in the last warm up game.

Again, I say, how can Pakistan pick three spinners and England only one. It was a disastrous strategic decision and probably the most important that caused such a heavy defeat. I'd love to get an insight into the process that led to that decision and the reasons that were used to justify it. And I'd love to know who took the final decision.

6. Why were England's batsmen afraid just to 'bat' and play to their natural strengths. It seemed to me while I watched England bat that they were each mentally so clogged up with technical and strategic information and so were not able to use their cricketing instincts.

For example, if they had taken to each innings the attitude taken in a 50 over ODI, 10 times out of 10, they would have exceeded those pitiful innings scores of 192 and 160. England possess some of the best batsmen in world cricket right now. And with players like Strauss, Cook, Pieterson and the record breaking Trott, all are genuine stroke players of the highest order. If I was coach, i'd just tell them to go out there and just play.

7. Cook is going through a very lean spell, needs to be called upon it and pressure put upon him. In his past 7 innings, that glorious 294 apart, he has not contributed an innings of any significance. There is something seriously wrong in his game. i don't know if its technical or mental but it needs to sorted pronto.

8. I think there is some cracking cricket to be played in this series, but its going to be a bowlers series and not a batsman's one. I expect Ajmal to carry on taking at least 7 wickets each test (and end with a total of 25+ wickets in a 3 test series). I also expect Gul to be the most successful fast bowler from both sides. England will recover to an extent and post some totals in excess of 300, but not much more. And that simply wont be enough. And I just don't think Swann, Broad or Anderson have the repertoire to excel in these conditions.

9. If I was a betting man, I'd say this series has already been decided and Pakistan will win 2-0 or 2-1. Soon the Pakistani expats will fill the stadiums and create a more intimidating atmosphere for England. I expect the ODI's to follow the same trend.

England have come in under planned and there is not enough time left to correct the strategy and have it implemented.



PS: If this comes across in anyway as pro Pakistan its not. Personally, I don't particularly like nor admire Pakistan as a country or civilisation (for personal political reasons). Im just calling it as I see it.
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Looks like I was right :lol::lol:
 
sammsky1 said:
Dont agree, some of the wickets I've just seen have been 'snorters'.
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Have they? You've got people completely unsure about their technique...stay back, play on the front foot...caught in two minds.

I'm not saying it's easy out there...Pakistan after all didn't bat well either, so it is hard work, and Ajmal, Rehman, Hafeez are a pretty scary spin trio under these conditions.

But KP, Morgan - was there any doubt it was only a matter of time?
 
For the worlds no 1 test team to be bowled out for 72, trying to save a series ..... nuts.

Pure English arrogance. As I said after the first test, England arrived underprepared, over confident, had little respect for their opposition and done zero research on the environment they would play in.

England have every possible asset and assistance, they have the best coaches, the best country first class system, the best technology assistance and had confidence going in.

Lose by all means, but the have been completely alienated over these 2 tests. Gower and Willis and wrong in tier diagnosis that its just "England's batting' ..... Ajmal/Rehman/Gul have been unplayable in periods.

England going into the first test with just one spinner for me, summed up the series. Needs a thorough post mortum cos that was shameful
 
Only Broad got a cracker IMO.

The rest got themselves out in their own heads.

Not the first time with England, just alot of us had kidded ourselves due to the rankings we had moved past that frailty...:(
 
Neutral said:
Have they? You've got people completely unsure about their technique...stay back, play on the front foot...caught in two minds.

I'm not saying it's easy out there...Pakistan after all didn't bat well either, so it is hard work, and Ajmal, Rehman, Hafeez are a pretty scary spin trio under these conditions.

But KP, Morgan - was there any doubt it was only a matter of time?
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that is created by the doubt the bowlers skill puts in the mind of the batsmen ... which is what Warne/Murali did when at their best.

And this wicket was hardly 'a dustbowl'. It was a dead wicket which should have led to a long 5 day score bore.
 
Neutral said:
Have they? You've got people completely unsure about their technique...stay back, play on the front foot...caught in two minds.

I'm not saying it's easy out there...Pakistan after all didn't bat well either, so it is hard work, and Ajmal, Rehman, Hafeez are a pretty scary spin trio under these conditions.

But KP, Morgan - was there any doubt it was only a matter of time?
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Pressure was created by batsmen never really being in and then being out to shots that initially may look like bad shots and not good balls but the doubt and uncertainty in their play was created by the bowlers. You dont have to be out to a snorter to say it was the bowler skill when the bowlers who apply constant pressure can get you out to straight forward balls.
 
Neutral said:
Have they? You've got people completely unsure about their technique...stay back, play on the front foot...caught in two minds.

I'm not saying it's easy out there...Pakistan after all didn't bat well either, so it is hard work, and Ajmal, Rehman, Hafeez are a pretty scary spin trio under these conditions.

But KP, Morgan - was there any doubt it was only a matter of time?
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72 all out has NO EXCUSES at test level. Even for Bangladesh!
 
Negativity born out of fear lost England the game. However, you have to give Pakistani spinners a lot of credit.
 
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