Pacquiao v Mayweather

Alex said:
...Some people are pussies. Next time, I am drug tested, I will say, but I dont react well to blood tests, that should work.
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It's not about being a pussy. It's also not about avoiding a drug test. It's tough luck in professional sport, you're going to get tested, and you need to get tested because we want people competing on a legitimate level playing field

But why the feck should he have to agree to something that could see him have to take a blood test just days before the fight?! When I've had blood taken, I feel like shite for the day. I certainly wouldn't fancy a 12 round boxing match a couple of days later. There's no requirement for that. The proposal was a load of bullshit, and for me, Flloyd is just trying to get out of the fight and, I fancy, keep his 100% record and reputation
 
You are a making a mountain out of a mole hill
 
I'm not I am realistic, Mosley are former champ was using steroids, and Pacquiao has gotten bigger over the years. Had this been the other way around, I am sure some on here would be calling Mayweather a druggie.
 
I'm actually gutted to see this fight canceled :(
 
There is too much money for it not to happen, I knew it wouldnt take place in March though, reckon it will be early summer
 
125m ? Is Boxing really that popular anymore ? Seems like a lot of people have switched interest to UFC, which makes these types of sums rather insane.
 
Big fights bring casual fans attention, like myself. PPV will bring in stupid amounts of money for the organisers.
 
They are saying it will make more money than any other fight EVER
 
It would have. I still think it will happen but later in the year as suggested.

I dont about all this political bs. Something needs to be agreed so we can see who is the best pound for pound fighter in the world.

Its just one of those things. People can take punches to the jaw, but cant stand a needle which I believe I remember reading Manny or one of his people saying Manny just didnt like needles going near him.
 
R_Nick said:
Why?
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boxers have got be on a strict diet of food and water during the run up to boxing matches in order to hit the required weight. In the past (Morales fight) Manny has had to have a blood test days before the fight, this lead to him having a dizzy spell, he couldn't couldn't put this right by eating or drinking due to his diet. He later went on to lose the match, although a year later during a rematch he did get vengeance. Manny believes that the loss was caused by the blood tests.

This is what I understand ...here is a link to a youtube video where Pacman is explaining this in an interview..

YouTube - Manny Pacquiao's #1 reason for not taking olympic style drug testing (subtitles included)
 
Bunch of fecking drama queens boxers can be. I hope Mayweather goes on calling Pacquiao a pansy for finding a reason to back out. I'd be calling my opponent a chicken shit and hiding behind the drug test stuff to cover his own yellow streak. Whatever it takes to get the opponent so enraged he forces a fight.
 
This is going to be a dark dark dark moment in boxing if this doesn't happen, for both careers and for the sport itself.

Blood tests for feck sakes... Grow the feck up
 
MrMarcello said:
Bunch of fecking drama queens boxers can be. I hope Mayweather goes on calling Pacquiao a pansy for finding a reason to back out. I'd be calling my opponent a chicken shit and hiding behind the drug test stuff to cover his own yellow streak. Whatever it takes to get the opponent so enraged he forces a fight.
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I concur completely, it is nothing Mayweather wont face as well, Paqs reluctance to it is frightening
 
You'd think it would give Paq incentive to beat Mayweather to a pulp or at least try to, this drugs test issue. If he doesnt fight mayweather and beat him than for me, Mayweather is heads and shoulders above him as a boxer imo, Mayweather has it all to lose and has put it all on the line in his terms, Paq should agree to it, if he wants to be held in esteem as an all time great.
 
Floyds statement:

"Throughout this whole process I have remained patient, but at this point I am thoroughly disgusted that Pacquiao and his representatives are trying to blame me for the fight not happening when clearly the blame is on them.

"First and foremost, not only do I want to fight Manny Pacquiao, I want to whip his punk ass.

"Before the mediation, my team proposed a 14-day, no blood testing window leading up to the fight. But it was rejected. I am still proposing the 14-day window but he is still unwilling to agree to it, even though this is obviously a fair compromise on my part as I wanted the testing to be up until the fight and he wanted a 30-day cut-off. The truth is he just doesn't want to take the tests.

"In my opinion it is Manny Pacquiao and his team who are denying the people a chance to see the biggest fight ever. I know the people will see through their smokescreens and lies. I am ready to fight and sign the contract. Manny needs to stop making his excuses, step up and fight."
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Though i'm not one to jump on sides, it seems more and more likely to me that there was a major feck up and it had nothing to do with the Mayweather camp... Sure they could agree to Pacmans offer, however the compromise is not only fair, buteven leans towards Manny and his camp.

By the sounds of things, nobody from the Pacman camp expected such a good compromise; something is being hidden.
 
So why is Floyd so hell bent on not accepting 24 days out? Manny's obviously willing to take the test, just not so close to the fight that it affects his ability to fight at his best, which is precisely what the world wants to see. It was good enough for Hatton after all. Floyd is simply trying to smear his opponent with the drugs cheat card, and is essentially saying the only way he can prove to the world he isn't is to put himself at possible disadvantage in the fight against him. Utter rubbish
 
B Cantona said:
So why is Floyd so hell bent on not accepting 24 days out? Manny's obviously willing to take the test, just not so close to the fight that it affects his ability to fight at his best, which is precisely what the world wants to see. It was good enough for Hatton after all. Floyd is simply trying to smear his opponent with the drugs cheat card, and is essentially saying the only way he can prove to the world he isn't is to put himself at possible disadvantage in the fight against him. Utter rubbish
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I can't accept the Floyd ducking thing, to me this entire negotiation process was pro-Mayweather and he wants what he wants for at least one case:

- In terms of weight: Manny wanted 147, Floyd wanted 154 ... Floyd agrees to 147 lbs.

- In terms of date, Manny wanted March 13th for political reasons, Floyd wanted May 1st for the obvious weather and highlight implications... Floyd agrees to March 13th.

- Gloves: Manny wants 8 ounce gloves, Floyd wants 10 ounce gloves ... Floyd agrees to 8 ounce gloves after quite a debate.

- Manny wants both fighters to use Reyes gloves, Floyd wants to use Winning gloves while Manny uses Reyes still... Floyd agrees to Reyes gloves reluctantly.

- Floyd wants both fighters to be subjected to the best drug testing in the biggest fight ever, Manny agrees then later backs off when the timespans come out... Now that Pacman's camp seems to have given a bit, Mayweather's camp is getting pissed off.

It's just frustration now, though I can see Mayweather's reluctance to just bend over again.
 
Manny is happy to have a blood test done straight after the fight though. So surely that is no worse than having one less than 30 days before the match. Manny agreed to 3 blood tests and numerous urine tests from what I understand. 1 blood test in january, one 30 days before fight and one straight after the fight. I see no reason why Maywhether should not accept this. It would certainly prove whether Manny was taking drugs or not.

Manny does have good reasons as to why he doesn't want a drug test under 30 days before. His previous experiences of this (Morales) was a bad one which resulted in a loss.
 
I reckon this goes on for another week or 2, and then we'll know for certain, but the promotion behind this fight will be lackluster.
 
Let me put this to you:
1) Mayweather is the best fighter in the world and will beat Manny. Mayweather is the most skillfull boxer on the planet. Mayweather frightend to fight Manny? You have to be kidding.
2) Mayweather normally has a 30 day period; ask Hatton. Mayweather is already willing to compromise and reduce it to 14 for the Manny fight. I would think that the public should applaud Mayweather’s stance in respect of doping.
3) Mayweather has never said or suggested that Manny is a drugs cheat. Manny’s claim he is going to sue Mayweather is laughable.

Adexkola:
There are drugs out there that can be taken before the fight to improve i.e. muscle capacity, that will not show up after the fight (or even a few days after taking the drugs).
In fact, even a 30 day period might not be enough. They could take the drugs on day 35, it won’t show up after day 31 and they will still have the benefit 35 days later. They could even take drugs well in advance just to increase the amount they can possibly train and not to necessary to help them in the fight itself.
 
Rams said:
Let me put this to you:
1) Mayweather is the best fighter in the world and will beat Manny. Mayweather is the most skillfull boxer on the planet. Mayweather frightend to fight Manny? You have to be kidding.
2) Mayweather normally has a 30 day period; ask Hatton. Mayweather is already willing to compromise and reduce it to 14 for the Manny fight. I would think that the public should applaud Mayweather’s stance in respect of doping.
3) Mayweather has never said or suggested that Manny is a drugs cheat. Manny’s claim he is going to sue Mayweather is laughable.

Adexkola:
There are drugs out there that can be taken before the fight to improve i.e. muscle capacity, that will not show up after the fight (or even a few days after taking the drugs).
In fact, even a 30 day period might not be enough. They could take the drugs on day 35, it won’t show up after day 31 and they will still have the benefit 35 days later. They could even take drugs well in advance just to increase the amount they can possibly train and not to necessary to help them in the fight itself.
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If that's the case Rams, it's up to boxing as a whole to implement these measures when dishing out the fight licences. Not a one man crusade for Mayweather to campaign on

As it is, most of us can see right through what he's doing. Smear your opponent as a drugs cheat. Declare the only way he can prove he isn't a drugs cheat is to put himself at possible disadvantage when it comes to fighting him in the ring

And people lap this bullshit up
 
B Cantona said:
If that's the case Rams, it's up to boxing as a whole to implement these measures when dishing out the fight licences. Not a one man crusade for Mayweather to campaign on

As it is, most of us can see right through what he's doing. Smear your opponent as a drugs cheat. Declare the only way he can prove he isn't a drugs cheat is to put himself at possible disadvantage when it comes to fighting him in the ring

And people lap this bullshit up
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I agree with your first point: they should. Professional boxing until now has escaped under the radar. You do know that most professional sportsman have to give their whereabouts 24/7 365 days to the doping athorities so that they can be tested at anytime, don't you?

Mayweather is NOT on a one man crusade. The 30 day rule is now used for most title fights. Lots of boxers have no problem with this (probably because it still gives them ample opportunity to cheat if they want to...).
Manny won't agree to this. In fact he won't agree to any period what so ever. And you're now blaiming Mayweather's camp?

Lastly, I continue to be suprised by the ignorance of the the public in the UK and US (in particular) surrounding drugs in sport . On the continent, for example, the general public is far more informed about doping.
 
Rams said:
Mayweather is NOT on a one man crusade. The 30 day rule is now used for most title fights. Lots of boxers have no problem with this (probably because it still gives them ample opportunity to cheat if they want to...).
Manny won't agree to this. In fact he won't agree to any period what so ever. And you're now blaiming Mayweather's camp?
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It's my understanding Mayweather wants random testing at any point from 30 days out from the fight, right up to the weigh in

The reports posted before said Manny had proposed 24 days before, and then immediately after the fight, and that had been rejected

Why?
 
If Manny had nothing to fear then why would he not agree.
 
Manny to fight some nobody, what a pussy ass bitch. Anyone who defends him is a fanboi
 
Alex said:
Manny to fight some nobody, what a pussy ass bitch. Anyone who defends him is a fanboi
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And you've not come across as one of those at all Alex!

I'm far more neutral, I don't have a bias for either. My man was Hatton and they both mullered him! :D

I do think the fault here lies with Mayweather though, I think he's trying to pull something
 
B Cantona said:
It's my understanding Mayweather wants random testing at any point from 30 days out from the fight, right up to the weigh in

The reports posted before said Manny had proposed 24 days before, and then immediately after the fight, and that had been rejected

Why?
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According to the Mayweather camp they proposed a compromise of 14days at the mediation. That was turned down.
 
Alex said:
Manny to fight some nobody, what a pussy ass bitch. Anyone who defends him is a fanboi
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Your an wum, surely?

You do know Mayweather is being lined up with a possible fight with Matthew Hatton.

EDIT: I just saw Manny is going to fight Clottey, you really know nothing about boxing if you refer to him as a "nobody".

You yourself strike me as the equivalent to the Ronaldo/Beckham Fanboi.
 
If Pac is fighting Clottey then this a travesty for not only boxing fans but the boxing business. Just when you thought boxing was going to deliver a super fight to blow away the rise of MMA/UFC they feck it all up bitching about drugs tests. feck off.
 
B Cantona said:
Why does it need a compromise? What's wrong with 24 days, and immediately after the fight? Which in itself would still be a compromise
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hang on, wires crossed here...
Mayweather first wanted the 30 day period leading to the fight in which they could be tested, then during the talks over the past few days Mayweather's camp offered a compromise a 14 day period before the fight in which they can do tests. (At least this is what Mayweather's camp claim, but it seems that some reputable boxing journo's are backing this up.)
Manny camp's position has always been 0 days, I think, they are not compromising at all. Manny is basically saying no tests before the fight at all. Most professional athletes would laugh at that and say that the fight has no credibility.
The problem boxing has is that there is no one overall world wide athority in professional boxing to regulate this shit.
 
Rams said:
hang on, wires crossed here...
Mayweather first wanted the 30 day period leading to the fight in which they could be tested, then during the talks over the past few days Mayweather's camp offered a compromise a 14 day period before the fight in which they can do tests. (At least this is what Mayweather's camp claim, but it seems that some reputable boxing journo's are backing this up.)
Manny camp's position has always been 0 days, I think, they are not compromising at all. Manny is basically saying no tests before the fight at all. Most professional athletes would laugh at that and say that the fight has no credibility.
The problem boxing has is that there is no one overall world wide athority in professional boxing to regulate this shit.
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I'm only going off the articles published on the matter, one of which said Manny had agreed testing 24 days before, and immediately after the fight. He's not saying no tests at all, rather he's rejecting Maywethers proposals which could see testing just days before the fight
 
Teddy Atlas just said, that apparently Paquiao's camp sent emails to Mayweathers, asking what the penalty would be if Paquiao were to test positive and also if he did test positive would they be able to keep the results private for the sake of boxing. I am not making this up, and it is unconfirmed, but I don't think Teddy Atlas is just going to come out and make up some story.
 
Alex said:
Teddy Atlas just said, that apparently Paquiao's camp sent emails to Mayweathers, asking what the penalty would be if Paquiao were to test positive and also if he did test positive would they be able to keep the results private for the sake of boxing. I am not making this up, and it is unconfirmed, but I don't think Teddy Atlas is just going to come out and make up some story.
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I just heard this too, which in itself is alot to take in.

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"This isn't some issue that just came about. It has been a part of the contract negotiations for weeks. According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye."

-tim smith
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Mayweather and Xylocaine: Who’s Using Drugs Now?

The fight that everybody – at least in the boxing world – would like to see is fast becoming just a figment of the imagination. With all the word swinging and the backbiting, we are sometimes bound to forget that this should have been all about a sport.

The fight between Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao does look like it is coming to an end before it has even begun.

Manny Pacquiao and Floyd MayweatherIn the middle of it all is the accusation hurled against Pacquiao by the Mayweather camp: that the former is using performance-enhancing drugs. It was the only way, they say, that he has been able to move through various weight classes the way he did, winning most of these battles along the way and becoming one of the great living legends in boxing.

Pacquiao, however, has never failed a drug test.

But lo and behold! A feature on Examiner.com pointed out a fact about Floyd Mayweather Jr: as far back as 2002, he has reportedly “been known to use hand-injected painkillers like Xylocaine”.

So what if he does? What exactly does Xylocaine do anyway?

If you are undergoing surgery and need certain parts of your body to become numb, then Xylocaine is what your doctor will use on you. Inject that substance into a boxer’s fists before a fight, then what will you have? A powerful punch from someone who will not feel anything as he delivers it.

According to the feature, Mayweather seems to have problems with his fists and uses the drug to numb the pain that he feels when he throws a punch. Xylocaine is illegal in other states – but it is legal in Nevada.
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