Pacquiao v Mayweather

I dont know why some of you arent rating Mayweather high enough. I used to really hate the fecker because of the way he shites on about his earnings & his big mouth generally. But the way he took Hatton apart & from other fights I've watched him, i've a begrudging respect for him as fighter!

Few facts regarding Mayweather:

From July 18, 2005 through June 2, 2008 he was rated by The Ring magazine as the number-one pound for pound boxer in the world.

Mayweather has won six world boxing championships in five different weight classes;

He was named Ring Magazine Fighter of the Year in 1998 and 2007. He is currently ranked number 2 pound for pound fighter (only because he retired).

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You have to put personal dislike aside when considering the issue of greatness, Mayweather is regarded by many (boxers, promoters, commentators & general fighting enthusiasts) as being one of the all-time best & the guy isnt finished yet!

He'll beat Pacman too!
 
Could well be tempted to a trip to Sin City if the fight is to take place there, should be epic.
 
March is out of the peak months so it would be pretty affordable really, depending on how long you want to go and where you want to stay. Fight would almost certainly be at the MGM so they'll likely have sold all 5000 rooms very soon after it's finalised. If you want to go for a week and stay somewhere cheap you could do it for around 500pp pretty easy I reckon.

EDIT: if you book now for Thurs - Thurs around fight night to stay at the MGM is £652pp.

There's a few places just under £500 but you'd know they were the cheaper places, some of the nicer hotels on the strip are around £700-800.

That could all change after a big fight is confirmed though, not sure how much they'd up them by.
 
Stupid by Manny, if he ain't got anything to hide then why act like a little bitch, just do the damned test.
 
The promoter for Manny Pacquiao says a fight against Floyd Mayweather Jr. will not happen unless Mayweather's camp drops its insistence for Olympic-style blood testing.

Bob Arum says if that doesn't happen by Thursday, the proposed March 13 fight that could be the richest ever in boxing is over.

Arum accused Mayweather's camp of raising the issue not because they were worried about Pacquiao taking performance-enhancing substances, but because Mayweather never wanted to fight in the first place.

Arum said Wednesday that Pacquiao would agree to the same testing that football and baseball players undergo but not for random tests by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency.

He said Pacquiao would look for another opponent to fight March 13.
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This is strange and raises eyebrows. I am not going to add to the insinuations but he is bring attention to himself. wow
 
Well you could look at it from two ways:

1. Floyd is playing mind games, trying to get Manny to agree to every single term he throws at him and if he does not Floyd will back out claiming Manny didn't want to fight, in the process protecting his '0' and his ego.

2. Manny is hiding something, for the last couple of years some people have had their suspicions that hes on steroids because they cant comprehend how he is comprehensively beating fighters he shouldn't and the tests will prove it.

The fight will happen, its too big not too, and neither fighter are going to turn down $40 million, especially Mayweather.
 
Bizarre, I had always just kind of assumed they were tested for everything anyway.
 
Pacman's clearly got something to hide imo.
 
Pimpmofo said:
The promoter said tonight this fight is dead. I can't believe they're giving up $30-40 million each because of a blood test.
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Really? Arum? Naaaw you must have been lost in translation, he was optomistic and I just found an article on how the fight can be saved with quotes from him:

Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather can be saved, promoter says - ESPN

Sam#1 said:
Pacman's clearly got something to hide imo.
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Naw, he's taking offence to the fact this came up all of a sudden and it's clearly a target at him rather than "fairplay"

Though, the reluctance to do this drug test does make things look a bit fishy... I'm sure there will be a middle ground, the money and reputation is too much to throw away.

If this doesn't happen, the winner is Mayweather.
 
Sam#1 said:
Pacman's clearly got something to hide imo.
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I completely agree, his trainer says that he is superstious about giving his blood....maybe because that is because he is doping. Mayweather caught wind of this from his father apparently, a modern day athlete cant avoid a drugs test in my opinion without looking like a cheat.
 
Haha Paquaio is a cheat and he has been found out what a fecking fraud. Why would it be such a deal to have Olympic drugs testing if he wasnt cheating; maybe that is why Mayweather has an Olympic medal and Paquiao doesnt....fecking fraud and phoney, have no respect for him at all
 
Alex said:
Haha Paquaio is a cheat and he has been found out what a fecking fraud. Why would it be such a deal to have Olympic drugs testing if he wasnt cheating; maybe that is why Mayweather has an Olympic medal and Paquiao doesnt....fecking fraud and phoney, have no respect for him at all
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What proof have you got of him being a cheat, apart from the fact that he's not American and a world champ?

I think he's using not wanting to do a test as an excuse for backing out of the fight, as he's never seem to wanted the fight but couldn't admit it.

Oh and he must be so offended that an internet spammer has no respect for him. The guy does a hell of a lot for charity in his country and comes across well, unlike a certain American rival.
 
I think it's a bit harsh to immediately label Pacquiao a cheat. He said he would consent to giving blood immediately after the fight and he's passed every test asked of him before. The question is the time immediately leading up to the fight (although to be fair it really shouldn't be a big deal. "Superstition" about giving blood is probably not a legitimate excuse). I don't know the whole science of blood and urine testing and which substances can and cannot be detected by what tests in what period of time, so I can't judge. It certainly looks bad for Pacquiao, but really if he wants to prove that this is all a ploy by the Mayweather camp to get under his skin, the easiest way to do that is to man up and face him in the ring under Mayweather's terms and beat him anyways.

I do hope the mediation works. It certainly looks like the Nevada plan works for both sides. No blood testing the week before a fight sounds a little sketchy, but I don't know of any substance that would enhance anything for the week before a fight and not be detectable during the blood test immediately after the fight (once again, I'm not an expert). I can certainly see why a fighter wouldn't want to be awaken in the middle of the night on the night before the fight. If it all turns out to be a Mayweather ploy (a brilliant one judging by how effective it was) then the extra testing won't matter in the long run.
 
Devil_forever said:
What proof have you got of him being a cheat, apart from the fact that he's not American and a world champ?

I think he's using not wanting to do a test as an excuse for backing out of the fight, as he's never seem to wanted the fight but couldn't admit it.

Oh and he must be so offended that an internet spammer has no respect for him. The guy does a hell of a lot for charity in his country and comes across well, unlike a certain American rival.
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Oh come on, this has nothing to do with American vs Non-American. The guy refused a drug test based on timing and it looks a little suspicious so people are asking legitimate questions. It's the type of cloud that will always be over every successful athlete, no matter what nationality, especially in this era as testing science is rapidly trying to catch up to cheating science.
 
the odd thing is that he is trying to sue mayweather, umm on what grounds
 
jveezy said:
The guy refused a drug test based on timing and it looks a little suspicious so people are asking legitimate questions
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Woah hang on there. What right has Mayweather got to tell him when he has to give a blood test? He'd have been tested as neccessary and required by the governing state rules. Why does Mayweather call the shots on that? Blood tests can take it out of you, people react differently, I feel shite for a day or so when I've had one. And they want him to take one the day of the weigh in?

Have to say it looks to me like an effort on Mayweathers part to besmirch Manny's name
 
B Cantona said:
Woah hang on there. What right has Mayweather got to tell him when he has to give a blood test? He'd have been tested as neccessary and required by the governing state rules. Why does Mayweather call the shots on that? Blood tests can take it out of you, people react differently, I feel shite for a day or so when I've had one. And they want him to take one the day of the weigh in?

Have to say it looks to me like an effort on Mayweathers part to besmirch Manny's name
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you might have a point if only paq had to take drug test. things in boxing are negotiated, mayweather put forward what he wanted paquiao turned it down for reasons that one can only speculate, but i can tell you the number 1 reason in the world a person wouldnt want stringent drug testing is because they know results are going to be not in their favor.
 
Alex said:
the odd thing is that he is trying to sue mayweather, umm on what grounds
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Defamation/libel/slander or something of that nature. I'm not sure which one applies. If it turns out that the Mayweather camp's accusations are untrue and they knew it when they made them and just threw this out there to hurt Pacquiao's image, then I'm sure he has some sort of case. How they would possibly estimate the monetary damages I don't know, but they somehow manage to do it in other lawsuits. Of course if it does come out later that Pacquiao is a cheat, then it's a moot point.

The simple fact is that hurling an accusation like that can hurt an athlete's reputation, despite the fact that he's passed every drug test asked of him so far. You can argue that he should consent to everything if there's nothing to hide, but then again you could apply that to almost any situation. The idea that they can do whatever and you have to keep giving in in order to prove your innocence eventually reaches a point where they're asking too much if you don't push back.

Now I don't think a blood test close to the fight is too much to ask. Then again, I don't think a blood test immediately after the fight fails to satisfy that requirement. Also consider that the type of test timing that has been asked for is not the norm for pro boxing at all. Pushing back like this and objecting to the way that action has been portrayed by your opponents doesn't prove you're guilty (well it does in the court of public opinion but not in a court of law), and you need hard evidence if you're going to make a claim like this about a famous person or else a lawsuit is inevitable.
 
B Cantona said:
Woah hang on there. What right has Mayweather got to tell him when he has to give a blood test? He'd have been tested as neccessary and required by the governing state rules. Why does Mayweather call the shots on that? Blood tests can take it out of you, people react differently, I feel shite for a day or so when I've had one. And they want him to take one the day of the weigh in?

Have to say it looks to me like an effort on Mayweathers part to besmirch Manny's name
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I certainly agree with you there about Mayweather pulling shenanigans, but in some of the related articles on the subject I think they've said that it only requires 3 3mm (height of the tube, not radius or diameter) tubes (don't know what circular size) of blood to provide an adequate amount for testing.

To me that's not quite the same as when you go to the doctor and get your blood drawn. It seems like that's a whole lot more, and like you I'm always feeling woozy afterwards. Maybe even more than normal people since I'm such a lightweight.
 
when did mayweather ever directly accuse him of using illegal substances though
 
Alex said:
when did mayweather ever directly accuse him of using illegal substances though
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I don't think Jr. has (both directly and indirectly). Sr has done so publicly but that doesn't mean this lawsuit should apply to both. Whether Pacquiao intends to lump the whole Mayweather camp into one group based on what was said during negotiations, I don't know. If Pacquiao wants to imply that simply asking for the drug testing was a deliberate attempt to destroy his image, I think he'll have just as difficult a time proving intent as the Mayweather camp will have of explicitly proving that Pacquiao's a cheat.
 
Seems as though Paquiao is the one defaming Mayweather Jr. since he never said anything, so what if his father said it;including Jr. on any sort of lawsuit would stupid.
 
Alex said:
I completely agree, his trainer says that he is superstious about giving his blood....maybe because that is because he is doping. Mayweather caught wind of this from his father apparently, a modern day athlete cant avoid a drugs test in my opinion without looking like a cheat.
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I am sure he would know, him being a crackhead n'all.

Do you even know what the stipulations are? Manny has agreed to random drug testing up to the day before the fight, the problem is he does not want to give blood on the day of the fight, as he believes it will weaken him. He has also agreed to give blood straight after the fight, as well as unlimited urine samples.

Now if you open your eyes for one second and removes the Floyd's cock from your arse then you will see its Floyd the one doing the ducking with his unreasonable requests, which is nothing new. Floyd is also pushing weight to 154lb, as well as to hire his own independent agency to extract his own blood and not the Anti-Doping agency.:rolleyes:
 
starman said:
I am sure he would know, him being a crackhead n'all.

Do you even know what the stipulations are? Manny has agreed to random drug testing up to the day before the fight, the problem is he does not want to give blood on the day of the fight, as he believes it will weaken him. He has also agreed to give blood straight after the fight, as well as unlimited urine samples.

Now if you open your eyes for one second and removes the Floyd's cock from your arse then you will see its Floyd the one doing the ducking with his unreasonable requests, which is nothing new. Floyd is also pushing weight to 154lb, as well as to hire his own independent agency to extract his own blood and not the Anti-Doping agency.:rolleyes:
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giving blood before the fight will weaken him the same amount as it does mayweather jr, or is paquiao somehow different?
 
B Cantona said:
Woah hang on there. What right has Mayweather got to tell him when he has to give a blood test? He'd have been tested as neccessary and required by the governing state rules. Why does Mayweather call the shots on that? Blood tests can take it out of you, people react differently, I feel shite for a day or so when I've had one. And they want him to take one the day of the weigh in?

Have to say it looks to me like an effort on Mayweathers part to besmirch Manny's name
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How come you feel shit after a blood test?How much do they take?

I always thought it was 100/200ml at most so i'm confused how that little blood would affect your wellbeing.
 
Cheltenham Red said:
How come you feel shit after a blood test?How much do they take?

I always thought it was 100/200ml at most so i'm confused how that little blood would affect your wellbeing.
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maybe brad has it confused with giving blood...
 
Alex said:
giving blood before the fight will weaken him the same amount as it does mayweather jr, or is paquiao somehow different?
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They don't get tested on the same days that the whole point of "random", the condition that manny wants is not to be any testing on the day of the fight.
 
Hmmm, interesting so Manny finds 'random' to be an unfair concept.....
 
Cheltenham Red said:
How come you feel shit after a blood test?How much do they take?

I always thought it was 100/200ml at most so i'm confused how that little blood would affect your wellbeing.
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100-200 ml sounds about right judging from the last time I got one, although my memory might be foggy as well. For Brad I don't know, but for me I only weigh about 135 lbs and I'm about 5'11" so I always feel slightly dizzy. I'm sure part of it is psychological as well. It also doesn't help that the nurses always have trouble finding my blood vessels. I'm sure timing has a lot to do with it as well. I really should have a proper lunch before I do it next time.
 
I understand that, but surely he has to understand that Mayweather will be subjected to the same shit.
 
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