Pacquiao v Mayweather

I understand that, but surely he has to understand that Mayweather will be subjected to the same shit.

The thing is that everyone's different. Say Mayweather is a light sleeper and can easily handle being disrupted in his sleep for a blood test and Manny cannot. That's more for example than anything else, and I highly doubt something that insignificant is the reason, but it would certainly be a tactic worth exploiting if you were that cutthroat. Certain people can handle certain things better than others. In sports you try to best handle things based on pre-prescribed rules and that's what's considered fair. You can't just say you're willing to do something above and beyond so everyone else should be willing to do it too.

To Manny, he's fought every fight before under certain regulations that have been generally accepted throughout pro boxing and now thinks it's unreasonable that Floyd asked for them to be changed but never asked for them in any of his previous fights and thinks that Floyd is doing it this time more to get under his skin than to ensure fair competition. The fact that Floyd is asking for an arguably reasonable testing procedure that has been used before in the Olympics makes the request seem much more reasonable.
 
Mayweather has clearly bottled it.

But I guess because North American sports are filled with drug taking cheats it's easy to see why people like Alex get suspicious so easily.
 
I am furious about the way this fight is going.

Obviously Floyd is playing mind games but it does raise a few questions about Pac...

It has often been speculated before and now this. Very interesting.

Expect a deal to be thrashed out though. There is too much money involved for one not to be.
 
This could all very well just be a publicity stunt
 
Mayweather has clearly bottled it.

But I guess because North American sports are filled with drug taking cheats it's easy to see why people like Alex get suspicious so easily.

:lol: What are you 12, and have you heard of East Germany????Amusing that you are intimating that Mayweather is also the one using steroids, etc. We all know Brits are above that sort of thing, well except people like Linford Christie OBE
 
This could all very well just be a publicity stunt

Always a possibility. In this case it would definitely work since Pacquiao hardly ever seems to go into a fight with a lot of "bad blood". Working that angle into the most important fight of his career would generate a lot more attention.
 
Well the thing that kills me is if you're suing for defamation, he'd STILL have to do a drug test and those results would STILL have to be made public.

:confused: You mean just like all the other tests he has had prior to this fight and never failed, or the Olympic style testing which is completely unheard of in professional boxing.


Not really "of course"

Aye, there is a possibility its all of hype, its boxing after all, though I doubt Manny is one to have his name plastered all over the media for being a possible drug cheat for the sake of a few more million.
 
:confused: You mean just like all the other tests he has had prior to this fight and never failed, or the Olympic style testing which is completely unheard of in professional boxing.

Exactly my point.

If this fight even gets delayed i'll be pissed, but by the looks of things Summer 2010 seems more realistic unless there's some drastic changes.
 
Exactly my point.

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Eh? What exactly was your point?

If this fight even gets delayed i'll be pissed, but by the looks of things Summer 2010 seems more realistic unless there's some drastic changes.

Ha, I am actually hopeful it does get postponed, trying to get to this fight is a must for me, but at the moment is impossible if the March date goes ahead. September will be perfect, don't think the Manny will be fighting in the summer with all his political commitments.
 
There'll be a compromise and the two sides will end up agreeing over testing, probably with a cut off date for drawing blood before the fight. There's too much money at stake here for it to fall through. That is of course providing Manny's not using performance enhancers, which I honestly don't believe he is.

Firstly, he's not put on as much weight as people are trying to claim. His official weight, maybe, but if you look at his ring weight since his featherweight days... well, it's barely fluctuated. The notion that he's added almost 20lbs of solid muscle in 18 months is just wrong. I jacked this from another forum, but here's his official vs. ring weights since '06:

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Secondly, and not to take anything away from his wins at the higher weights, but if you believe that the only way Pac was beating Diaz, Oscar, Hatton and Cotto was through the use of illegal substances then you're a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.

Diaz: average titleholder, who still hung around for a good 8 or 9 rounds.
Oscar: living corpse - lost too much weight too quickly and wasn't even the bigger guy when they got in the ring.
Hatton: troubled training camp, unbelievably naive game plan, couldn't handle Pac's speed and walked onto a left hand that would've put a rhino in a coma.
Cotto: potentially damaged goods, forced to fight at a catch weight, had success when he tried boxing Pac but in the end just couldn't handle his speedy movement and combos.

Impressive wins all the same, but only achievable by juicing? Give over.

I honestly believe the fight will happen on March 13, now with the added bonus of bad blood, just to make one of the most intriguing match-ups ever that little bit more so. This is the sport's big chance to recapture the attention of the mainstream world... would be unforgivable if it didn't happen. So team Mayweather - keep it zipped, and Manny - take the fecking test!
 
Manny will win by decision.

Manny's improved immensely since he fought Marquez and his ability to throw flurry of combo's from unorthodox angles will make it difficult for Pretty boy to keep his distance. Floyd does have an excellent jab which will be his primary weapon against Manny, but ultimately I think Manny will win on points because he lands more and even with a supreme defense, Mayweather will not be able to withstand the Pacquiao whirlwind.
 
Do people actually think that Pacman has been taking drugs to improve his performance? I just don't see this being true. Not only does he profess to be a devote christian, but he is also the bright light of the Philippines. He is held in such high esteem because of the way he lives.

If he is found to of taken drugs to improve his performance he will not only be ruining his career in boxing but also probably his career in politics.

Should this match go ahead, then I think Manny has got this covered...won't be easy and will certainly be a close call but I recon he can take Mayweather.
 
Manny will win by decision.

Manny's improved immensely since he fought Marquez and his ability to throw flurry of combo's from unorthodox angles will make it difficult for Pretty boy to keep his distance. Floyd does have an excellent jab which will be his primary weapon against Manny, but ultimately I think Manny will win on points because he lands more and even with a supreme defense, Mayweather will not be able to withstand the Pacquiao whirlwind.

Bollox, you know the one thing that baffles me about Mayweather is that a couple of months after he produces a boxing masterclass people seem to forget just how good he is. His movement would be enough to insure that he doesn't get caught by Manny.

The simple fact is Manny doesn't have the strength or speed to seriously troble him. Mayweather would execute the same game plan he does every fight and its a gameplan that is tailor made for a fighter like Manny.
 
Bollox, you know the one thing that baffles me about Mayweather is that a couple of months after he produces a boxing masterclass people seem to forget just how good he is. His movement would be enough to insure that he doesn't get caught by Manny.

The simple fact is Manny doesn't have the strength or speed to seriously troble him. Mayweather would execute the same game plan he does every fight and its a gameplan that is tailor made for a fighter like Manny.

How many fighters has Mayweather faught that are like Manny in his style, that are as good as Manny?

I think this will be a very close call. Manny also has good movement, he is very fast and he is strong.
 
It'll happen, i think it's just building hype to be honest, i read an article saying that the fact both fighters agreed so quickly meant it was too hush hush so they are building it with all this. I can't see it not happening, the money involved is too great.

I've been watching a lot of mayweathers old fights. He's damn good... i think if anyone can beat him it's pacquiao though. His speed and relentless nature can put Mayweather on the back foot and hopefully prove too busy. Mayweather will get his punches in but i think Pacquiao can take it.
 
It's off.

'Kin bullshit, really, but it's looked inevitable for a couple of days now.

I think there's a chance the fight might get made some time later in the year, but given how rocky the negotiations have been, I'm not gonna get my hopes up.

Pacquiao looks all set to move up to light middleweight to fight Yuri Foreman for his title. Mayweather looks like he's probably gonna take on Matthew Hatton over here in the UK. Yes, Matthew Hatton... you couldn't make it up.
 
Floyd Mayweather spurns compromise to end hope of Manny Pacquiao fight

• Mayweather insists on random drug tests in 30-day period
• Filipino offered test 24 days before scheduled bout in March

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Floyd Mayweather Jr, smarter in the ring than out of it, may have made the costliest blunder of his career by rejecting the late compromise Manny Pacquiao offered him to save their $200m (£125m) fight in March.

The Filipino yesterday reluctantly agreed to take a blood test for drugs 24 days before the bout, scheduled for the MGM Grand, Las Vegas, on 13 March; Mayweather, immovably suspicious of Pacquiao's punching power through the weights, insisted on random tests at any point during the 30 days before the fight.

And that killed stone dead the independent mediation of the retired federal judge Daniel Weinstein in Santa Monica, after nine hours of tough talks on Tuesday and a flurry of exasperated phone calls thereafter.

By walking away so close to a deal after weeks of brinkmanship, Mayweather simultaneously shocked his advisers, who told him to settle, and angered Pacquiao's people to the point where legal actions against himself and his promoters, Golden Boy Promotions, are now hurtling towards the courts. The financial consequences could be considerable for the losers.

"I am very disappointed," Pacquiao said, "that we could not make this fight for the fans." Probably not as disappointed as the estimated three million customers willing to pay more than $50 each in the United States to watch the fight on HBO, as well as an estimated million-plus in the UK.

Bob Arum, Pacquiao's promoter, was incandescent. "Mayweather never wanted it," he said. "Manny wanted the fight. He was agreeable to terms. The fight's off. Mayweather is a coward. The fight's off not because of us, not even because of Golden Boy. It's because of him personally.

"Mayweather's never stepped into the ring with a guy unless he knew he could beat him. That's why there's never been a fight with Shane Mosley, there's never been a [fight with] Antonio Margarito, there never was a Miguel Cotto."

With one shake of his head, Mayweather is reduced to taking a potentially dull alternative fixture against the smaller, weaker but indisputably eager standby Paulie Malignaggi on the scheduled date at the MGM Grand, Las Vegas.

"Pacquiao just left a $40m fight on the table because of a random drug test," Malignaggi, who can hardly believe his luck, told Boxingscene.com. "Do you know how stupid that sounds?"

Pacquiao will probably challenge the trainee New York rabbi Yuri Foreman, who recently became the WBA light-middleweight champion, at the Thomas and Mack Centre, Las Vegas, on 20 March. Victory would give Pacquiao an unprecedented eighth world title at a different weight.

Pacquiao said on his website he would proceed with the writ for defamation he issued last week against Mayweather, his father, Floyd Sr, and uncle Roger, as well as Richard Schaefer and Oscar De La Hoya of Golden Boy Promotions, for allegedly claiming he used performance-enhancing drugs.

Arum is also suing Golden Boy Promotions, who retain a share of Pacquiao's revenues despite a disputed arrangement with the fighter, who signed with both them and Arum's Top Rank.

Arum told ESPN.com: "There's an arbitration which calls for them to lose any percentage of Manny's promotional contract, something we asked for and had postponed, but now will go forward."

Mayweather and his negotiators were not immediately available for comment. However, sources told the Los Angeles Times, "The fighters still have time to strike a deal before a 'business deadline'." It is a thin hope.

It will be fascinating to see which promotion in March sells better – because, when they talk again, the gate receipts and pay-per-view hits will be major negotiating chips. But the pervading mood from Santa Monica to Las Vegas yesterday was one of gloom – and disbelief that experienced deal-makers could not nail down the richest promotion in the history of boxing.

Floyd Mayweather spurns compromise to end hope of Manny Pacquiao fight | Sport | guardian.co.uk

sadly looks like its going to be off!

Mayweather really is a pussy, he is just too worried about losing this fight, he is throwing up and excuse or terms for this fight not to get the go ahead.

There is something definatly wrong with the world of boxing if this cant happen
 
I enjoy watching big bouts but I'm not really up on boxing, so I don't understand why Mayweather is the one being accused of bottling this fight when its Manny who is refusing the terms?
 
Mainly because a lot of people dont like Mayweather
 
I just don't get it, if Pacquiao is so up for it and disappointed that it's not happening, why not just agree to the drug test?
 
I enjoy watching big bouts but I'm not really up on boxing, so I don't understand why Mayweather is the one being accused of bottling this fight when its Manny who is refusing the terms?

Because the terms are a load of bollocks

All because of a smear campaign his dad has helped purport
 
Because the terms are a load of bollocks

All because of a smear campaign his dad has helped purport

So he's throwing up nonsensical terms to try and get Pacquiao to back out?

Sounds plausible, but I still don't get why if that's the case and Pacquiao is so convinced that he'd beat him, why doesn't he just agree to the terms, batter Mayweather and make a shit load of money at the same time?!
 
If he has nothing to hide, why not do the test?
 
Paquiao "claims" he is superstious about having blood taken from his body.
 
Because some people don't react well to having their blood taken. I think the blood donation folk say you can only give every 4 months, so your iron levels build back up again. Now obviously I assume not that much blood is taken for a drug test, but some folk still don't react well, and again if you're a top professional athlete... it's not something you need

And given "random at any point before the fight" is not an actual requirement, just something for Maywether to try and cast doubt on Manny, and perhaps even wriggle out of the fight... I think it's a bullshit request personally. 24 days before, and immediately after the fight sounds legit to me
 
Because some people don't react well to having their blood taken. I think the blood donation folk say you can only give every 4 months, so your iron levels build back up again. Now obviously I assume not that much blood is taken for a drug test, but some folk still don't react well, and again if you're a top professional athlete... it's not something you need

And given "random at any point before the fight" is not an actual requirement, just something for Maywether to try and cast doubt on Manny, and perhaps even wriggle out of the fight... I think it's a bullshit request personally. 24 days before, and immediately after the fight sounds legit to me

...Some people are pussies. Next time, I am drug tested, I will say, but I dont react well to blood tests, that should work.