Owen Hargreaves | 2009/10 Performances

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Isnt it insane ?

Cabbage will make himself look like an idiot if he will take Hargreaves to Africa. It's beyond me. Where is the common sense? He wont be even half fit !

Unfortunately I have to agree. Owen Hargreaves wont be going to the World Cup and quite rightly, he shouldnt.

The only chance he had of making the squad would have been if he actually returned to action on schedule and broke into our team again. That's clearly not going to happen now while he doesnt feel ready enough to play for the reserves. I do have hope of seeing him in first team action, next season.
 
Isnt it insane ?

Cabbage will make himself look like an idiot if he will take Hargreaves to Africa. It's beyond me. Where is the common sense? He wont be even half fit !

Whatever the outcome of this if it does happen will be great for United supporters - would at least tell us more than we know right now - that is if we get to hear the outcome.

It's true though what the article says, if he has Hargreaves available for the World Cup then he has a little more leeway on who he takes as he can maybe take an extra striker in place of a specialty midfielder or right back.

Maybe it is also the kick in the ass to maybe put himself out there as it's a now or never for him to play in the world cup ever again.
 
Right, they come back more injury prone from not playing regularly as you put it before. No?

Just noticed this little dig, I must admit I laughed my ass off that your still banging on about a debate from yesterday from another thread.

Would you be surprised to see Hargreaves pick up a muscle/joint injury on his return due to his body being unaccustomed to top level football? I think not.
 
I just wanted to highlight that it is possible to come back from LOOONG injury and play with confidence. Rosicky is doing fine, he will get back to his best.

Oh it's possible alright, but what was Rosicky's injury?

If it was tendinitis I'd be surprised, that's not something that goes away, you just manage it, look at Rafael Nadal, he's not the same player he was, and will continually have to manage it

He cut short training sessions at the recent Aus Open, he's always had to heavily tape his knees.

It will be the same for Hargreaves, I'm dubious about whether he will return this season, and if he doesn't, I'd cut the losses on him and see if you can sell him, but at the very least sign a replacement.
 
Daily Mail: Owen Hargreaves tells England manager Fabio Capello: I won't make World Cup

An emotional Owen Hargreaves is resigned to missing this summer's World Cup.

With his Manchester United playing career in the balance, Hargreaves has spoken to the England boss Fabio Capello, who has decided there is very little, if any, chance of the player making the trip to South Africa in June.

There are growing fears that, at 29, the midfielder is losing his battle with tendinitis in his knees that has limited him to 25 starts for United in three years, costing the club nearly £1million each

It is 18 months since he last played and, after more than a year of rehab following operations on both legs, he has reverted from training with the first team to daily workouts with the club's physios.

Last month Capello expressed the hope that Hargreaves, a candidate to fill England's troubled full-back positions as well as the holding role, would soon be back playing to confirm his fitness and take up a place in the England squad.

But recently the weekly bulletins from United's medical staff to the Italian have been less encouraging and Hargreaves, who was voted England player of the year after the last World Cup, has been left in an increasingly emotional state.
Although Sir Alex Ferguson has not given up hope on him making what would be a remarkable comeback, the next four days will merely emphasise what he will miss if his career really is all over.

He is due at Wembley today, to watch his club-mates try to claim the Carling Cup, and will be staying just miles from the Grove Hotel, where the England players will gather to prepare for Wednesday's friendly against Egypt.

With new captain Rio Ferdinand also struggling with a long-term back injury that has restricted him to just 34 of the past 92 games for club and country, plus doubts over the fitness of Ashley Cole and Glen Johnson, and the row between Wayne Bridge and John Terry, Hargreaves' news is the last thing Capello wanted to hear.

A broken leg and knee problems delayed his move to United after the 2006 World Cup in Germany, but he crowned his first season in Manchester by scoring a penalty in the shoot-out victory in the 2008 Champions League final against Chelsea.

However, his knees soon began to fail again and he played only three more games the following season, his last coming more than 500 days ago, in a 1-1 draw with Chelsea.

'I probably shouldn't have played in that game,' said Hargreaves. 'I struggled to drive my car for three days afterwards. Something was very wrong.

'The last year has been difficult. As an athlete you think you are invincible. You don't think something of this magnitude will happen. I obviously had the problem when I came to Manchester United from Germany in 2007 and we tried to manage it.

'Part of the problem for me was my competitiveness. I was new to United and they had spent a lot of time, energy and money in getting me from Bayern Munich.

'I wanted to do well, obviously. I came with symptoms (of tendinitis) but everyone said, "Don't worry, it will go", so I always tried to be available. But playing on it made it worse. I wanted to play, though, so I played through it.'

Recalling his doctor Richard Steadman's admission that he had never seen such bad tendons in 35 years of surgery, Hargreaves added: 'It was a dark day, hard to take because this was coming from a guy who was 72 years old and had seen a lot of knees.'


Hargreaves returned to United last September and resumed training but an intended comeback in November was put on ice. Even as recently as December, Capello held out hope for him. Fully aware of his valuable versatility, he said: 'He has to play.'

EXCLUSIVE: Owen Hargreaves tells England manager Fabio Capello: I won't make World Cup | Mail Online
 
That really really doesn't sound good at all.

So he had the same problems ALL the way back to when he came to United but back then just played through the barrier. And now he's knee's are fecked. Bad move. Surely a proper medical would have blocked the move from Bayern to United then.

I feel for him in a way, but to have your knees fecked for that long....and its not like he's getting any younger...
 
Those quotes are as old as my nan, so that has no relevance to the headline.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was true though. If a WC can't make him push the envelope a little further in terms of making a return, what will?
 
he was always a outside bet for the WC anyway, i mean its coming up to March and he hasnt showed any signs that he'll play for the first team this season (has he even played a reserve game?).

Even if he does start playing for us by the end of March it will take him a good 2-3 months to get back into the swing of things and then hes supposed to fly out to SA (providing during his comeback he doesnt suffer another set back)? TBH i actually think he wont play football again, it seems set back after set back with him and surely he/United will get frustrated and one of us will call it quits.

Altho i hope im wrong and he actually comes back
 
The "writing was on the wall" when SAF annouced his 2nd Championns lge squad. Someone like Hargreaves would need at least half a dozen games to "get up to speed". Unfotunately for Hargo, we have no more games left where we could afford "passengers". I think we can now "write him off" for this season. HOPEFULLY, next season he will come out...... "all guns blazing"!
 
The "writing was on the wall" when SAF annouced his 2nd Championns lge squad. Someone like Hargreaves would need at least half a dozen games to "get up to speed". Unfotunately for Hargo, we have no more games left where we could afford "passengers". I think we can now "write him off" for this season. HOPEFULLY, next season he will come out...... "all guns blazing"!

exackly - Fergie did the same with Gary Nev a couple of seasons back when he actually recovered about this time. Trouble is, it was squeaky bum time and Fergie decided not to risk him at such a crucial time of the season and stuck with Young Wes instead. Looks like Hargo is washed up - just hope we get insurance money on him
 
Sounds like he might be fecked full stop.

When after a year's rehab you are reverted from training with the first team back to daily workouts with the club's physios that is not a good sign.

I heard he was trainning for 3 days then having 3 days off, for a guy who has hopes of playing in the first team i dont think thats a good sign
 
It increasingly looks like it could be all over for him which is a great shame.
 
My fecking god :lol: Nothing in that article suggests that progress is not being made yet its supposedly curtains closed for his career.

Im not basing my opinion on that article, but the countless set backs he seems to be suffering. Its March and he was supposed to make his comeback in jan (and before that it was supposed to be the start of the season) and we still havent heard anything from SAF that remotely suggests that hes going to make a come back anytime soon.

If he was playing for the reserves and working up fitness and people said he would never be back thats stupid but he hasnt even done that and as someone said hes not even training with the first team but with Physios, after a year and half out if thats where he is in his recovery then it will be into next season before we see him play for us - providing he doesnt have another set back
 
My fecking god :lol: Nothing in that article suggests that progress is not being made yet its supposedly curtains closed for his career.

Yeah, I mean it's obvious he's not going to the World Cp at this stage, so it's just easy to write an article that says that, and cobble in some ancient quotes that some people seem to think are new.

Even if he started playing reserve team games next week, he'd be way behind the level needed for a WC which is only a few months away. Hargreaves has done well for England at times in the past, but he's no Wayne Rooney, someone that Capello would consider bringing even though they are not at peak levels of fitness.

The question around Owen Hargreaves is not the WC, but whether he will play top level football for Man United again, and if so, will it happen this season.
 
My fecking god :lol: Nothing in that article suggests that progress is not being made yet its supposedly curtains closed for his career.

Bollocks, i'm sure it has nothing to do with this article for most people and has everything to do with the fact he hasn't played for a year and a half and there appears little light at the end of the tunnel.
 
The best knee specialist in the fecking world says his tendons are the worst he has ever seen!!

The sooner we realise he'll never play again the better. Who is he kidding? If we extend his contract in the summer when it expires we are fecking mugs.
 
The best knee specialist in the fecking world says his tendons are the worst he has ever seen!!

The sooner we realise he'll never play again the better. Who is he kidding? If we extend his contract in the summer when it expires we are fecking mugs.

Here we go again, you're reacting like these are new quotes. Those old quotes tell us nothing about whether any progress has been made in the months since then.

I was saying how easy it is to cobble old quotes and package them as new story. But it's only easy because people are so gullible.
 
Here we go again, you're reacting like these are new quotes. Those old quotes tell us nothing about whether any progress has been made in the months since then.

I was saying how easy it is to cobble old quotes and package them as new story. But it's only easy because people are so gullible.

I have never heard what Steadman said before - that's news to me.

Did you know this? Hargreaves' tendons are in the worst condition he has ever seen?
 
I have never heard what Steadman said before - that's news to me.

Did you know this? Hargreaves' tendons are in the worst condition he has ever seen?

Read it again and calm down. When did Steadman say this? Last week? No, he said it before the operations.

Maybe Hargreaves never will play top level football again, but Steadman has not just recently said that his tendons are now in the worst condition he has ever seen as you seem to think. He said this before all the operations and rehabilitation work. We all want to know whether all that work will eventually lead to something, but this article tells us nothing about that.
 
Read it again. When did Steadman say this? Last week? No, he said it before the operations.

Maybe Hargreaves never will play top level football again, but Steadman has not just recently said that his tendons are now in the worst condition he has ever seen as you seem to think.

You've got a point.

But even if Steadman said it at the start, surely that itself is something??
 
You've got a point.

But even if Steadman said it at the start, surely that itself is something??

He had two knee major operations and has been out of football basically for 18 months. So we already know there is a strong chance that he will never play top level football again.

I'm half expecting an announcement that he will have to give up on football, but this article tells us nothing new about whether that will happen or not.
 
I'm a big fan of Hargreaves. I have to ask myself though, what the feck were our medical staff playing at when we signed him. I had mild tendonitis a few years ago, and it stopped me playing sport for 2 years.
 
Doctors and lawyers generally give us the worst possible scenarios.
 
Hindsights a wonderful thing, when he played i thought he was a great addition to the squad - someone we could still do with if im being honest

Hindsight? Or just a reflection of how often he actually has played for us and whether he was worth the money?
 
Hindsight? Or just a reflection of how often he actually has played for us and whether he was worth the money?

Just opinion here but i thought in the games he played for us he showed his ability and it is unfortunate that he had this injury
 
I feel sorry for him at the same time I'm angered about it, because I know how great he is and what he would contribute with to our team.
 
Hindsight? Or just a reflection of how often he actually has played for us and whether he was worth the money?

Who could have known he was going to sustain such a bad injury?

For what it's worth, he was a vital part of that CL winning team and when it comes down to it, it was worth having him. He was excellent against Chelsea in that final.
 
Starting wonder now what kinda insurance payout we'd get if he retired as don't believe the player will return to anywhere near the same player. Thought we should have signed him many years ago and looks as if those canny germans have done rather well out of his departure. (especially liked the we want to keep him bit :D and have a feleing their club medical staff signed non disclosure agreements)
Interesting to know whether are own medical staff dropped the ball or SAF over ruled them because he wanted him so much.
 
Fully fit he'd have been an immense signing, Worst signing of the decade? Shevchenko would run it close and selling Alonso/buying Aquilani might be up there.
 
He is definitely not the worst signing of the decade, that is ridiculous. That kind of honour should belong to players who were signed and absolutely flopped. Hargreaves did not flop at all. He sustained a serious injury. There's a hell of a difference.
 
He is definitely not the worst signing of the decade, that is ridiculous. That kind of honour should belong to players who were signed and absolutely flopped. Hargreaves did not flop at all. He sustained a serious injury. There's a hell of a difference.
 
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