Seems pretty certain he's off to Dortmund, unless they keep low balling Rennes. £15m Euros is stupidly low, but I suppose they can plead poverty and hope to snatch him for little.
Ousmane Dembele to Dortmund| 5yr deal confirmed.
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Give them 25m€ and he is yours.
I read your post earlier here (in which you explained finances of clubs must be sorted by end of June and 25m would be a threshold for Rennes) but I'd be surprised if Dortmund were to agree to pay that much. I'd actually rule it out.
A 25m deal can IMHO only managed if either Puma steps in or it's a much lower fee but generous bonus payments for his and team achievements, potentially tallying up to 25m.
I will be surprised if it is less because clubs like Monaco and Lyon can match it and they are imo better spots for Dembélé.
I hope Rennes tells Dortmund to do one and breaks negociations.
€15m offer is insulting.
€15m offer is insulting.
If that's Dembele's mother's opinion too, those deals - or others - are totally realistic. Dortmund pretty certainly won't do it unless the deal is assembled as I described above. Provided his Mom doesn't push for Dortmund, everything's possible. If she does though, Rennes have only two options.
According to Footmercato Rennes wants €35m.
I'm pretty sure Dortmund won't be willing to pay nearly as much.
No way will they sell him for 15 million when a player of similar profile moved only last year for four times as much.
Sounds a lot more fair than 15m
That comparison is pretty bad, Monaco are a lot richer than Rennes and they planned their season with Martial, Martial's expected fee was around 35m€ but because United came in the last week of the transfer window and because Martial was scheduled to be sold in 2016, they asked for a prohibitive fee.
Edit: Dembélé is more comparable to Carrasco than Martial.
Yeah I saw those and wasn't surprised at all.
Not saying they will expect anywhere near 60 million, but somewhere betweem 30-40 million for a huge talent like him doesn't seem over the top, 15 million sounds like daylight robbery.
There would not be any negotiations in the first place or they would have at least been cut off by now (which they aren´t according to more trustworthy sources), if that number had any credibility. The discrepance would be far too large to be overcome through negotations. 25 Mil. € would be more realistic as first demand. Then both parties might meet somewhere in the middle.
It all comes down to what Dembelé + agent (mother) want. If they are willing to join richer clubs, then I don´t see him coming to Dortmund. According to several sources, this is about more than just money (as it should at his age) and there are very few clubs, who could offer the player the same package (CL+proven talent developer as coach+spot in the squad) and are willing to pay more.
Tomorrow's Kicker supposedly reports that Dembele himself (or his mother if you will) is 100% set on Dortmund and turned down some big hitters who would've paid more (Chelsea, Real, Barca, Bayern seem to be named). They apparently also report the fee to be around €10-15m but also state that no agreement has been reached yet.
Why aren't we in for him? We paid an extremely high fee for Martial, are on the verge of doing the same for Sanches, and now Ousmane Dembele is the other big prospect who has emerged this season. Is he not expensive enough for us?
30m Euros is a steal. Woody do the right thing and steal him.
Aye, read Pool are interested as well. I hope we are, though I don't recall us being linked to him. Something I probably just missed.
I hope he goes to Dortmund and not Pool, if not us obviously.
I hope he goes to Dortmund and not Pool, if not us obviously.
Looks like he's got his heart set on Dortmund judging from his twitter account.
€15M? Dortmund are surely taking the piss... 
In a market where we paid €80M on Martial and we're about to pay 60 for Sanches, this kid is worth at least 30M. And I imagine half of the PL clubs would pay that without even thinking about it, same as the big Spanish clubs, PSG or Bayern.
Looks to me like Dortmund is trying to sign him fast, so that other clubs don't get involved, I don't think they have any chance to sign him in a bidding war. I see no reason for him to go to Dortmund or for Rennes to sell to them, when they clearly can get more money from other clubs.
In a market where we paid €80M on Martial and we're about to pay 60 for Sanches, this kid is worth at least 30M. And I imagine half of the PL clubs would pay that without even thinking about it, same as the big Spanish clubs, PSG or Bayern.
Looks to me like Dortmund is trying to sign him fast, so that other clubs don't get involved, I don't think they have any chance to sign him in a bidding war. I see no reason for him to go to Dortmund or for Rennes to sell to them, when they clearly can get more money from other clubs.
Yeah I think iirc, he started following a couple Dortmund players and journalists.
Would be a really good move for his development, though I'm not sure if Dortmund's style can fit all 4 of Aubamayeng, Reus, Mkhitryan (sp?) & Dembele in. Unless they plan on off loading one of Auba or Mkhitryan for mega bucks (they've both had amazing seasons I think, especially Aubamayeng).
Aye, I sound like I know just how good Dembele is or can be, when in fact, all I've seen of him are clips and I've read his Caf thread
Yeah. Seems a foregone conclusion. Dortmund will be a great club for him to develop at, better than him rotting away at somewhere like Madrid.
I think that's really the main reason. He got a good chance of breaking into the first team of a club that plays some great football and has offered young players a good platform to develop for the next stepping stone in their career.
€15M? Dortmund are surely taking the piss...
In a market where we paid €80M on Martial and we're about to pay 60 for Sanches, this kid is worth at least 30M. And I imagine half of the PL clubs would pay that without even thinking about it, same as the big Spanish clubs, PSG or Bayern.
Looks to me like Dortmund is trying to sign him fast, so that other clubs don't get involved, I don't think they have any chance to sign him in a bidding war. I see no reason for him to go to Dortmund or for Rennes to sell to them, when they clearly can get more money from other clubs.
Other offers might not matter that much if the player isn't open to them and his contract only runs for another two years. So Rennes don't hold all the cards.
I'm also pretty sure that Dortmund don't plan with him as a starter eight away. That wouldn't be wise with him being so young and having to make the step from a midtable team to a top club in a different country.
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This is the type of player that I don't understand why we don't go for. Very highly rated and won't cost a small fortune. In a few years, where he's on the Ballon D'or shortlist we'll be talking about how we 'nearly' signed him.
How do you know that United didn't go for him? Dortmund supposedly already wanted to sign him last winter and the player seems to have made up his mind about joining them, too. How do you know that United didn't contact his agent but got dismissed?
How do you know they did? How do Dortmund beat United to a signing? Thats the question we should be asking.
If a club isn't willing to stump up the money, then either the player needs to look elsewhere or be happy at Rennes.
In fact, if a club rates you so low in terms of what they are willing to pay, maybe the player should look at that team and question how much they want him.
Obviously I'm speaking about if Dortmund are only willing to pay the fees quoted.
I am sure other clubs would be more than happy to pay more. At this point, the player would move to another club rather than stay at Rennes. Dortmund isn't exactly the pinnacle
In fact, if a club rates you so low in terms of what they are willing to pay, maybe the player should look at that team and question how much they want him.
Obviously I'm speaking about if Dortmund are only willing to pay the fees quoted.
I am sure other clubs would be more than happy to pay more. At this point, the player would move to another club rather than stay at Rennes. Dortmund isn't exactly the pinnacle
Throw €30m at them, still great value!
I could see him as a rotational player, especially early on, as now Dortmund will be fighting on all 3 fronts next season. Plus, Reus has never been the epitome of healthy throughout his time at Dortmund. So there are many more minutes available when he (hopefully not) goes down.Yeah I think iirc, he started following a couple Dortmund players and journalists.
Would be a really good move for his development, though I'm not sure if Dortmund's style can fit all 4 of Aubamayeng, Reus, Mkhitryan (sp?) & Dembele in. Unless they plan on off loading one of Auba or Mkhitryan for mega bucks (they've both had amazing seasons I think, especially Aubamayeng).
Aye, I sound like I know just how good Dembele is or can be, when in fact, all I've seen of him are clips and I've read his Caf thread
Because the player and i.e. his mother think that it's better for his development. Looking at a number of very young players who have moved to elite clubs and didn't make it that's IMHO a perfectly sensible perception. I'd say the same if he choses another club comparable to Dortmund.
Obviously you've forgotten the third option: The player stays firm and Rennes needs the money. Slavery has been eradicated for some time.
I've written it more than once here in different threads and occasions: If a player is so determined that he rules out other clubs, the club has only two options. More importantly, it doesn't matter if you, me or anybody else understands his motivation to want to join one specific club. That's totally irrelevant. (Although I understand perfectly why he snubs elite clubs at this point.) It only matters if his current club accepts his wish or not, and if they don't, how he's handling the situation.
As Julian Weigl exemplifies: It all depends on the player and his performance. You can be the least experienced player but become a regular starter in no time. On another note, it is pretty hard to predict what Tuchel plans for next season. This season he adapted his ideas to the squad he had inherated (Weigl and Castro were targets before Klopp's resignation). Until it becomes clear who stays or leaves - e.g. Mkhitaryan is still a candidate for me to not extend his contract and in that case might move this summer - it's really difficult to make any predictions where he'd fit in Dembele if he eventually shows up.
Yeah, it makes sense.
Totally agree with you, but if Heno leaves (which id absolutely hate since an Armenian on one of my favorite teams is so incredible) that leaves Dortmund very thin in the front even if Dembele arrives. You'd basically have Pulisic, Auba, Reus, Shinji, Passlack and Dembele. With Reus' injury concerns, I'd expect at least another attacker to be brought in on top of Dembele, as Ramos should be moved on as well this summer. As such, I expect Dembele to get plenty of chances if he arrives simply because of depth concerns and again fighting on all 3 fronts.
If money is an issue, I fully expect that selling Gundogan (if rumors are true, unsure if it will actually happen) and Heno (again unsure) will bring the club enough money that they can afford to purchase Dembele and another quality attacker.
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I'd hate to see Micky leaving because - to slightly twist Klopp's quote - he fits Tuchel's football like an arse on a bucket.
Plus, I love his work ethics and how humble he is. If he moves, Dortmund will indeed strengthen the attack but there are so many ifs that I sit and wait what's gonna happen.It's unlikely that Gündogan can be sold with his injury that rules him out for 3-5 months at least but there's a healthy 50m+ bank account that should allow for some sensible, squad strengthening signings even without selling one single player.
Edit: Reus has been, for this standards, relatively injury-"free". You can throw Castro in the mix of the attack, and IMHO Tuchel will continue experimenting with Durm and Passlack there, too.
Rennes don't need the money, they have the wealthiest owner around. They do hold all the cards, ideally they'd like one more year of contract but I'm sure Dembélé doesn't want to run out his 2 year contract at €3k/w or whatever measly wages he's on.
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