Ousmane Dembele | Fee agreed with Dortmund, medical on Monday, Barca go from MSN to LSD

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I don't really understand why Mbappe is rated more highly than him.

Rated more highly in terms of the transfer fees anyway.
 
No doubt Mbappe's more efficient and has better decision-making at this stage, but that's not often a strong predictor of potential - the same was true of Rooney vs. Ronaldo at that time. If Dembele matures to become more efficient and effective then, combined with his raw talent, it's entirely possible he could be a Ballon d'Or winner. Though I agree with you that Mbappe looks better.

I completely agree with you. It COULD happen. BUT it doesn't make any sense to rate Dembele higher than Mbappe at this moment. Mbappe is way better and younger now. Potential? I would say Mbappe got higher ceiling. It's a concern that Dembele is so ineffective and generally poor decision making at this stage of his career.
 
I'm always a bit curious how a club can quickly 'agree personal terms' with players before having permission to negotiate with them. Isn't that the definition of tapping up? If everyone does it, what's the difference compared to what LFC and Van Dijk did?
 
I completely agree with you. It COULD happen. BUT it doesn't make any sense to rate Dembele higher than Mbappe at this moment. Mbappe is way better and younger now. Potential? I would say Mbappe got higher ceiling. It's a concern that Dembele is so ineffective and generally poor decision making at this stage of his career.

I don't think it's nonsensical, in the same way I don't think it was nonsensical to say the same about Ronaldo back then. I was firmly of the viewpoint that Rooney had more potential than Ronaldo because he already had that rounded skillset you're talking about - decision-making, productivity, efficiency - but it turns out they were right. So I don't think you're right to dismiss people that believe Dembele will be the better player. The reality is we don't know. We're very bad at making predictions.

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I'm always a bit curious how a club can quickly 'agree personal terms' with players before having permission to negotiate with them. Isn't that the definition of tapping up? If everyone does it, what's the difference compared to what LFC and Van Dijk did?

I think the tapping up laws stopped being enforced quite some time ago.
 
That's a real shame.

And the s(h)ame goes for Mbappé to Real. Now close both threads and stop wasting your time thinking we'll sign either of them. That is unless you want to read headlines such as "Dembele/Mbappé wants England return after tax fraud allegations", in ten years or so. ;)
 
I find it quite amusing that people rate Dembele over Mbappe. Dembele isn't even close and hasn't proven anything yet. He's like a headless chicken out there. No end product. Mbappe is effective and smart, Dembele isn't and thats the BIG difference.
He has 10 goals and 21 assists last season.
 


Sign the cheque woody lad


We need to blow Barca and Real out of the water in terms of wages for this guy, him and Mbappe are going to be taking over from Messi and Ronaldo as the best players in the world.
 
We need to blow Barca and Real out of the water in terms of wages for this guy, him and Mbappe are going to be taking over from Messi and Ronaldo as the best players in the world.
Maybe. But how many people might have thought similarly of martial and coman in the previous couple of years?
 
Dembele and Mbappe are the biggest two U21 talents in the the game, we need to try to get one of them, both are special.
 
Dembele and Mbappe are the biggest two U21 talents in the the game, we need to try to get one of them, both are special.

Exactly, and I don't think there's anyone on a comparable level that's going to be available anytime soon. Unfortunately it looks like they'll both be heading to Spain.
 
Dembele and Mbappe are the biggest two U21 talents in the the game, we need to try to get one of them, both are special.

I'm sure we've tried, but it doesn't appear that either one wants to come here. Not much you can do about that.
 
I'm sure we've tried, but it doesn't appear that either one wants to come here. Not much you can do about that.
Maybe we should try to convince these kind of players rather than the only focusing players that only want United.
 
Maybe we should try to convince these kind of players rather than the only focusing players that only want United.

Better long term to get the players that want to come here.
 
If we can get Dembele or under 100m, we should do it now. Massive upside potential imo.
 
Maybe we should try to convince these kind of players rather than the only focusing players that only want United.

Yes, and I'm sure they've tried to convince him. He has his proverbial pick of the litter. It's not hard to understand why he'd prefer Barca or Madrid
 
Sadly all the three top talents going around these days seems to be Spain bound.

Mfappe
Dembele
Dybala

Sad both since it means we can't get any of them, plus it will probably stop RM and Barca from going after Coutinho and Hazard.
 
It's so frustrating to see Barca/Madrid pick up the biggest talents around. Doesn't look like we will catch up with them any time soon, sadly. The kid will be absolutely world cladding no doubt about that.

Didn't he say something along the lines of he always chooses United on FIFA? We are not the best team on there so he must have some fondness for us, surely?
 
You lot are spoiled and deluded....the world doesnt revolve around United. These young players and their families will prefer the likes of Madrid, Barcelona, because they are wonderful areas to live in as well as play in. Manchester is only for those who have the proper mindset and attitude.

If Dembele comes to United, fantastic....but reality is there are better fits than United. Can hardly blame the club in most instances.
 
Exactly, and I don't think there's anyone on a comparable level that's going to be available anytime soon. Unfortunately it looks like they'll both be heading to Spain.

It does seem that way, and Real are going to offload one of their older shiny toys that has some cracks in it, in order to pay for one of them.

Sadly all the three top talents going around these days seems to be Spain bound.

Mfappe
Dembele
Dybala

Sad both since it means we can't get any of them, plus it will probably stop RM and Barca from going after Coutinho and Hazard.

That's exactly what I was thinking in regards to the "We need a Game Changer" thread, the best options out there all look like they are about to be gobbled up and with those 3 plus Neymar going to PSG it looks like Coutinho, Hazard and Sanchez will remain in place as our rivals game changers.
 
It does seem that way, and Real are going to offload one of their older shiny toys that has some cracks in it, in order to pay for one of them.



That's exactly what I was thinking in regards to the "We need a Game Changer" thread, the best options out there all look like they are about to be gobbled up and with those 3 plus Neymar going to PSG it looks like Coutinho, Hazard and Sanchez will remain in place as our rivals game changers.

Rashford, Angel Gomes, Martial and hopefully Sancho will be our game changers.
 
Rashford, Angel Gomes, Martial and hopefully Sancho will be our game changers.

I just don't see it with them except maybe Martial, it'll be a few years before Gomes is even a factor IMO. Sancho from City's youth team? I thought he was going back to London when he moved on.
 
I just don't see it with them except maybe Martial, it'll be a few years before Gomes is even a factor IMO. Sancho from City's youth team? I thought he was going back to London when he moved on.

Woodward is in London, he better land him. I have seen him in three tournaments and he is really impressive. Honestly, people shouldn't be too worried, there is always a new wonderkid and there is always a handful of them that fail miserably.
 
I just don't see it with them except maybe Martial, it'll be a few years before Gomes is even a factor IMO. Sancho from City's youth team? I thought he was going back to London when he moved on.
Rashford has been comfortably more impressive than Martial.
 
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