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I specifically replied to the comment Utd could win the league. I laid out why this wasnt possible with the players being bought by your club. I wasnt comparing dick sizes for the last fecking time. Ousmane Dembele | Fee agreed with Dortmund, medical on Monday, Barca go from MSN to LSD
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Another one with an attention span of a gnat.
I specifically replied to the comment Utd could win the league. I laid out why this wasnt possible with the players being bought by your club. I wasnt comparing dick sizes for the last fecking time. Another one with an attention span of a gnat.
I see your general point and agree but the bolded part is obviously wrong because while United shouldn't be favorite with the current team, it's not impossible just unlikely.
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I was being sarcastic.
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Hey Dumbstar, I'm not so sure I agree with you here. There is not an outstanding team in the league so in my opinion much like Chelsea last year. Go on a run get a bit momentum going and any of the top 6 could win the league.
United will have a right chance next season with Lindelof a centre mid and a centre forward. I reckon we will also buy another as well.
You need to be buying quality in excess of the teams ahead of you though. So if those teams are strengthening then you need to strengthen 1.5x more. Number of additional games for Chelsea and Liverpool will play a factor but ultimately City and Chelsea are strengthening in a way that is keeping Utd's transfer activities (or lack of so far) at arm's length.
No one can actually predict who'll win the league. That is down to luck with injuries, run of form with ref's help, etc, or sometimes just pure Leicester. But by doing an estimation the poster I replied to was being unrealistic that you can jump from 6th to 1st looking at the summer activities so far. And, in fact, with Greizmann not happening I don't see you attracting anything of that quality at all this season. Bale or Mbappe is the level you'll need.
I think you're underestimating the effect of an extra year together. Even if Mourinho bought -nobody-, I strongly believe we'd be stronger next season simply by virtue of that extra bit of experience playing as a team. Rashford can still improve, Martial can still improve, Pogba can still improve. These are players that could definitely get to that world class level - there's an argument Pogba is already.
This happened with Liverpool also. I don't think Brendan Rogers bought many players in for that 2013 run - but they had that extra season to really start firing and get them closer.
I suspect we'll strengthen up top, but I'm not convinced that we need to strengthen "1.5x as much" as our rivals. We arguably have better players than many of the top sides as it is. We just have to start winning those stupid home games.
Also, with no Europa league football - there's no excuses this time around. I expect our league form will improve, if it doesn't I'll hold my hands up and say yeah the teams not good enough, but I suspect Mourinho isn't going to rip up the squad in the way some suggest.
Had Ibra still been with yes, I'd maybe agree (and that is a big maybe).
Without Ibra, we are worse off. I can't believe anybody could argue against this.
The likes of Martial, Rashford, etc are not good enough to get the goals needed to finish top 6 or even top 10.
These are the facts (not opinions, not conjecture, but absolute facts which cannot be argued against), goals scored in brackets:
Martial (4), Rashford (5), Miki (4), Mata (6) - so between the 4 of them, they scored 19 goals. Averaging less than 5 goals each, for the season.
These are the sorts of numbers which players in the bottom half of the table would post.
To put this in context, 5 players last season, scored more goals in one season, than all of the above attackers, put together.
How can any manager, aiming for top 6, or even top 10, rely on these players to score goals? Genuine question.
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You can't. We need a goalscorer to replace Ibra and an alternative goalscorer to him as well which Griezmann was supposed to be. For a club like us, failure to recognise this just isn't good enough and we're kidding ourselves if we think just Morata alone is going to fire us to the top of the table. I really hope we have a trick up our sleeve because the players we are being linked to right now don't address this. I was loving the sounds of the Morata AND Belotti talk, that's the kind of Summer I think we need to have not fecking Matic and Perisic, we should be aspiring to more than that. Fair enough if that's who Jose wants but I fear it's simply not going to work for us and we'll end up drawing another million games next season again!
I know it's already a ridiculousy expensive summer of spending with me wanting us to add two forwards but I'd bite your arm off for this Ousmane Demebele kid too, that's proper world class potential and the type of player that scares the shit out of opposition defences. I wish we were in for him...
My same feeling.
There is no way I'd bet on Martial/Rashford shouldering the goal-scoring load at all.
People cite Mourinho's 2nd season, but he always had either a strong squad and made further improvements(Real Madrid) or had a decent squad and completely transformed it with signings brought it(Chelsea 2nd stint).
We're a decent side at the moment. We need signings that will transform our attack.
Suarez was probably the best striker in the world that season and he also had a top class Sturridge alongside him, it's not really comparable. Sure we can improve but we don't have any players who will suddenly become 31 and 24 goal players simultaneously. Hell I don't think we have any who will even become 24.
If we sign say Morata or Lukaku and Perisic with a midfielder I'd think we'd have a right chance.
We missed a ridiculous amount of chances last year and drew s lot of home games. Then there was the European league Thursday Sunday effect. Look at Chelsea coming from further away than 6th. United with a couple of signings mooted would be in with a shout. Just my opinion.
Exactly. As has been pointed out to death that was almost as exceptional a season as Leicester's. Utd need one talisman and hope he doesn't get injured. Miki could be a player but the loss of Ibra negates that gain.
Relying on Martial and Rashford becoming top goalscorers is like us relying on Firmino and Sturridge doing the same. I know which set of players is more likely. Edit: again this is just a crude example for illustration. I'm not comparing dicks.
Chelsea came in 1st when Utd, City and Liverpool were all about to fire their shit managers. This season all managers are settled and chomping at the bit. No more free runs like Chelsea and Leicester got.
More Dembele talk please cnuts
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Sorry but you're talking shit.
It's possible for anyone to win the league. Even you lot have a chance. If Martial has a season like his first and the likes of Rashford and Mata chipped in with 10 a piece then United would be in the mix.
What a ridiculous post.
One of the worst oppo fans on the forum. At least try and offer some insight please.
Morata and Miki can play well together. Add to that hopefully improved Martial or Rashford on the left, the goal scoring effect of Mata and free roaming Pogba and things may not look that bad after all.
You didn't follow the Valencia vs Nani debate here back in the days? This debate got even more serious when Valencia attacking play regressed significantly. Yet SAF stick with Valencia more than Nani. Let's not getting getting Young in his last year of contract for 18mil (significant sum at that time) while penny pinching on agent fee for Hazard.
United haven't signed Matic (granted, yet) and if we're to accept that every player we've been linked with is destined to arrive then we'll walk the league (neither of these will happen), although the Matic stuff does seem to have more legs than other rumours. Morata can't be considered a reject buy considering Real's pursuit of Mbappe - and if Mbappe decides to stay at Monaco for another season before we finalise this deal I wouldn't be surprised if Real decide to keep hold of him.
If you are going to go along with the reject line, then the same would have to be applied to the transfers of Sanchez, Ozil and Pedro. None of which were reject buys and all of whom are players Liverpool can only, currently, dream of having serious links to. Only Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and City would have a chance of prying away genuinely talented players from the elite European clubs right now. In relation to your current transfers, only Salah stands out as a decent buy, and that's in a position you needed to improve the least. Equally, if you're going to argue that Liverpool - who played a pitiful amount of games for a supposedly top club last season - lost players at key moments last season, then what the hell can you say about our injury woes, which were way worse than yours. The crux of this being the losing of both Rojo and Ibra to ACL injuries in the same match. We also ended up winning more in that season than you've managed in a decade.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that your summary of Liverpool's transfer dealings can equally be applied to ours, I just fancied a dig. Also, unlikely>fanciful.
LOL what's this logic ?
I think he means that if say City or Chelsea buy two top players we have to buy three because they are already ahead of us in terms of quality.
He has a fair point to be fair. We need to close the gap in quality between the squads and we aren't going to do that with our transfer strategy just matching theirs, we need to go above and beyond them.
The gap between us and them is overrated IMO, and building a league winner team is never related to have a 11 superstars team or with the best squad. It's about creating the most consistent winning machine that keeps grinding wins by any play style.
That isn't logic, that's why you don't recognise it as such.
Suarez scored 11 league goals in 31 league matches in 2011-2012, which is kind of my point. I can't come out and say "RASHFORD WILL DEFINITELY BANG IN 24 GOALS IN 2018", but did you honestly see Suarez becoming a 30 goal a season striker back then? 11 league goals is the exact number Martial scored two years ago, also.
That was Suarez first full season in the premier league. He didn't really show his class until his second season. We are now entering Pogba and Mikhatryans second season, so they will likely perform at a higher standard.
Can't be bothered to read all the petulant comments but Dembele is an insanely talented player is happily pay 70m or whatever for him. Watched him against Monaco where Dortmund were very poor but he stood out amongst the crowd and when he came on he changed the flow of the game.
Yeah good point but I honestly think there is not a great team amongst the top 6 plus the league is poorer than recent years. I think a case can be made for any of the top 6. The mini league will have a lesser effect also as its now a 6 than a 4.
There's a reason Suarez is a once in a however many blue moons type of striker. If you applied this logic to every striker in the premiership they would all be 30 goals a season wonder players. As much as you love/rate your players (nothing wrong with that) try to just take a second and apply your thought process across the board for perspective.
United should go after Dembele and Mbappe and sign them at all cost. Those 2 will be world class players in the future, are hungry and what better place for a young talent than Old Trafford? That plus playing attacking football is what we are all about, is it not? Also get the young Tierney from Celtic to compete with Shaw and then Fabihno and Nainggolan and we would look a very strong side, full of pace,power and technical ability. Plus the young Tuanzebe is looking quite a prospect and he did well both in defence and midfield.
Ignoring the fact players need to want to sign for us for us to sign them, what you're suggesting would cost around £350m, on top of the £30m we've already spent. Unprecedented amount in one window.
Ah, of course, no links.
I think United need to step up very quickly in order to compete with the best clubs in Europe. I assume there will be players sold and we have got rid of 4 players since january that were on high salaries. I think we have to spend big and I thrust Mourinho to buy well in order to get us on par with the best teams, after that I forsee a period of adding few players to the squad every year.
This thread is closed until there is a hard transfer link.
Thread open again now he's linked to Barcelona.
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Feck I wish we were in for him. The most talented of the French youngsters imo, even more-so than Mbappe.
Everyone could see how talented he was. We should be beating Dortmund for these guys before they blow up a year or so later. That's what we pay scouts for and the financial advantage we should have being able to do things in the market.
We need to be in for him. Travesty if we let him go without a fight.
Players like Dembele, Pulisic, Tielemans et al pick Dortmund or Monaco because they know they will get games, develop and then move on.
That's not the case at a club like United. There will always be players fighting for your position and there is more expectation and pressure and less time to grow into your role. As United we can offer a young player more money but we can't offer more playing time and ultimately that's what it boils down to.
Why would a 20yo highly promising youngster care if he earns 50k or 70k pw salary, when his target is to realise his potential sooner and get on the +200k bracket? What he cares about is playing and developing his game and his name/brand at that stage and if we're being honest he is better off at Dortmund or Monaco instead of United.
Agree with this.
We were really spoiled by SAF as we could afford to give this time to youngsters whilst sill hoovering up titles - he was a master at balancing squads.
Right now, we need results and that means we can't guarantee time for these talents, unfortunately. For the players involved, I totally understand it and they are being very smart in putting their careers ahead of short term cash.
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