Don't envy us too much. We've plugged a few holes but there's still massive leaks in our clubs performance bucket.
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Don't envy us too much. We've plugged a few holes but there's still massive leaks in our clubs performance bucket.
I think some of it is very good. I've always thought Milner was solid. He often came on for City and was their best player.
I've been quietly impressed by our transfer activity so far this window. We've made some sensible signings and Firmino is exciting. If we can now add a 15-20 goal a season man into the mix then we're shaping up very nicely for the new season.
Perhaps a CM too.
Has he? Sterling used to absolutely murder everyone in the youth leagues - it was always clear he was miles ahead of everyone else on the pitch. Ibe, whilst looking talented, never did that.
Perhaps a CM too.
Has he? Sterling used to absolutely murder everyone in the youth leagues - it was always clear he was miles ahead of everyone else on the pitch. Ibe, whilst looking talented, never did that.
Ibe is the bigger, stronger, faster and better shooting version of Sterling. Whether he has the mentality to display these on the big stage we'll see. If he does come through it mentally (many a graveyard for young talent) then that's another superstar in the making. Minus the billy big bollocks attitude (Ibe refuses to use an agent).
Really? That must be extremely rare in football these days.
I'm not sure Ibe had done quite enough to be billed so highly. I'd love him to realise his promise but not certain he'll supersede Sterling.
And possibly not very clever.
Agree with all of that. He's not there yet of course but personally I see his ceiling as being much higher. His physical strength - especially on the ball (Sterling goes to ground far too easily), shooting (far better than Sterling - for whom that is his major weakness), speed - well faster than Sterling and he's just as good technically, gives him all the tools to be a huge success. He's maturing a little later than Sterling but there's nothing wrong with that. A big season coming up for him and I hope BR uses him sensibly but often.
It seems he is quite highly rated in coaching circles even though he's a failed manager. That's fine by me, we need him to coach not challenge BR. Better a BR choice than a FSG one that may have an uneasy relationship with him. I've read (don't know anyone who actually knows anything about him first hand !) that he's his own man opinion-wise, which is good - we need someone to be able to sit down and debate with BR in private, not just be a Yes-man, also that he's an excellent one-on-one coach, let's hope that's true and he can help players that need it such as Markovic, Ibe, Lovren, Can etc. .... and that he's also good at organising defences !
RAWK complain just because he's not a big name - doesn't mean he's crap so this is just one we'll have to monitor to see what impression he makes. BR did say that technically we'll be going in a different direction this season. Interesting comment.
Sterling making the grade as a premier league player was a no-brainer from his youth level performances. Same with Ibe. They both roasted their peers. Ibe benefited from his strong physique which is always hard to gauge at youth level how big a factor it is.
That said, I think Ibe looked far more comfortable when he first went into the first team than Sterling did. Sterling only really started impressing in his second season around november. Before that he'd had half a season of being a promising youngster getting gametime than he should due to the total lack of forwards and another half season of stinking out the place.
The leap in performance from november was really quite exceptional. I didn't see him becoming a star before that point. He went from a youngster with a good skillset and movement who looked like he might be hampered by his physique to leaving defenders in the dust with ease.
Ibe is a bit behind in his development as he doesn't have the same opportunities in the first team and has been playing in a terrible disjointed side. Sterling made his leaps in a side booming with attacking confidence.
It's hard to say where Ibe will end up. He can continue on his current path with marginal gains and be a good premiership player. If he makes that transition of bullying seniors the way he did juniors like Sterling did, he'll be a top player. He has the tools for it in his locker.
That said, I think Ibe looked far more comfortable when he first went into the first team than Sterling did. Sterling only really started impressing in his second season around november. Before that he'd had half a season of being a promising youngster getting gametime than he should due to the total lack of forwards and another half season of stinking out the place.
The leap in performance from november was really quite exceptional. I didn't see him becoming a star before that point. He went from a youngster with a good skillset and movement who looked like he might be hampered by his physique to leaving defenders in the dust with ease.
Ibe is a bit behind in his development as he doesn't have the same opportunities in the first team and has been playing in a terrible disjointed side. Sterling made his leaps in a side booming with attacking confidence.
It's hard to say where Ibe will end up. He can continue on his current path with marginal gains and be a good premiership player. If he makes that transition of bullying seniors the way he did juniors like Sterling did, he'll be a top player. He has the tools for it in his locker.
He's still young. He'll soon realize it's in his best interests to have an agent.
There's usually a myth around agents among the fans that they're evil people and spend their time holding clubs to ransom and whatever (which is totally stupid).
Reports Sterling now refusing to go on pre season tour. Top guy all round
Yep. Getting your family involved in your money can be a disaster, both financially and for your relationship with them.
Only a footballer could get away with not turning up to work because they want to move to a rival business 
He's a very good player, I'm not going to pretend otherwise, but who the hell does he think he is? He's a talented kid with a potentially high skill ceiling - He's no Suarez/Torres.
But hey, if this gets the deal with City done faster, it's all good.
He's a very good player, I'm not going to pretend otherwise, but who the hell does he think he is? He's a talented kid with a potentially high skill ceiling - He's no Suarez/Torres.But hey, if this gets the deal with City done faster, it's all good.
Indeed. Sterling is a much more accomplished talent, who's already notched up nearly 100 senior appearances and had a large hand in nearly winning us the league title. In fact, he was probably our best player during that run of 11 wins - starring against the likes of Arsenal and City.
On the other hand, Ibe has looked decent in a run of games playing at RWB (which is an issue in itself - he hasn't actually featured in the front 3 yet). He's undoubtedly an exciting talent, but I don't think you consider him on Sterling's level at this stage. Yet with Sterling on the brink of a move, Ibe is billed as the next great hope with little basis for such claims, just yet.
From the Echo:
Javier Manquillo has become the third Spaniard to leave Liverpool this summer.
The young full back has returned to Atletico Madrid - although he won't be there much longer - after the Reds requested to cancel his two-year loan deal at Anfield. He is expected to join Benfica in the next few days.
Javier Manquillo has become the third Spaniard to leave Liverpool this summer.
The young full back has returned to Atletico Madrid - although he won't be there much longer - after the Reds requested to cancel his two-year loan deal at Anfield. He is expected to join Benfica in the next few days.
Though my insides are splitting at the Sterling situation, a part of me is sympathizing with the club. I do not know whether it is agents or players just being total twas but the lack of power that clubs have now is a major concern.
United had it with Rooney, Hienze and to a certain extent Ince. One thing saying you do not intend to sign a new contract, which is right we all have, but to orchestrate a move through striking is a bit too much. At least he did not cost you an arm and a leg at the beginning.
United had it with Rooney, Hienze and to a certain extent Ince. One thing saying you do not intend to sign a new contract, which is right we all have, but to orchestrate a move through striking is a bit too much. At least he did not cost you an arm and a leg at the beginning.
It comes down to whether the player feels the club is acting in their best interests though. If Sterling thinks he might miss out on his dream move because of Liverpool arsing about, then its understandable why he'd want to try and force the issue.
Sterling has now apparrently phoned in sick for training
What a sterling
reputation this silly boy has gotten himself over the last few months
What a sterling
reputation this silly boy has gotten himself over the last few monthsthing is how long before he starts moaning about stuff at City? built up quite a CV this year for disaster PR, begining with being too tired to play for his country. Genuniely wouldnt want him at united
As agitating for a move goes, this is one of the most unnecessarily aggressive ways of doing it. While a move is likely, was all this posturing and public discontent a necessity? Until he actually signs nothing is certain; what's the value in burning bridges to this extent? If he twists his knee getting out the shower tomorrow what does he do?
I cannot fathom it.
I cannot fathom it.
It's because he's a poorly advised little khunt.
Supposedly Berahino has dropped Aidy Ward as his agent due to his handling of Sterling's proposed transfer .... so Ward's only client is Sterling. Good, they deserve each other and a great start for Ward's new agency
Chamberlain?Supposedly Berahino has dropped Aidy Ward as his agent due to his handling of Sterling's proposed transfer .... so Ward's only client is Sterling. Good, they deserve each other and a great start for Ward's new agency
But yea, bad PR from Ward, potentially fecked up his agent career.
Sterling now claiming Rodgers has been standing too close to him in training when pictures were taken.
Lolwut?
Lolwut?
Believable. Brendan is known to have a thing for trannies.
Forgive me, you may well not have been one of the fans saying this but weren't you all en masse saying that Sterling was one of the very best young talents on the planet and also already one of the league's better players?
Now he's leaving, there's a better in every way version of him ready to step in?
I hate modern footballers and how they act in trying to force a move.
Sterling is much better than Ibe
Also knew Manquillo wouldn't work out. Wasn't all that special to begin with at Atleti.
Also knew Manquillo wouldn't work out. Wasn't all that special to begin with at Atleti.
Mental eh. Personally haven't seen Ibe come in and do anything stand out in the 5 or 6 games I've seen him play. Sterling is much better.
I've been following Sterling's career since he joined as a 15 year old and I watched his Madskilz youtube videos.
As LFC Tv was free for all those years I also watched every reserve game he was involved in religiously. I knew then he would be sensational in the league, and he's proving that he is as a youngster. There was recently a stats done on him being the best young player on the planet, none of us are denying that.HOWEVER, he is not the best senior player on the planet. He is not Aguero, he is not Silva, he is not Suarez, he is not Rooney, he is not Messi and he is not Ronaldo. For a younster he's sensational, potential right there. For a senior pro, he's got such a lonnnnnnng way to go (scoring more than 7 goals as a striker would help). He is leaving LFC as someone deluded into thinking he's Suarez. Not someone who thinks he is a youngster with potential.
That's the player we have the gripe with. As for Ibe, he came out of the blue. I didn't follow him for long but over the last two years he just seemed to use Sterling as his yardstick and made us sit up and go woah. He strikes the ball better when shooting, he IS faster, he IS stronger (bigger). Whether he makes it is another question (he's injury prone unlike Sterling and we know what injuries do to youthful promise).
Since when did Sterling suddenly become a striker?
Are attacking mids/wingers not allowed to score more than 7 goals then?
Sure, but you said 'as a striker'. My point being that he only started being played as a striker when Sturridge was out (correct me if I'm wrong here) and that was Rodgers playing him out of position. I seem to remember pool fans complaining about Rodgers doing it, back before Sterling suddenly became enemy number one.
He was given ample opportunities to prove his worth in front of goal. None more so than actually being made a striker for a number of games. Yet the number of missed chances was criminal. However, we did not 'turn on him' then as he was/is only a youngster.
We turned on him when he thought he became Suarez (without any goals to show for it, despite the opportunities). We turned on him when he wanted a Suarez-like salary.
Yeah but if he's not a striker then you can't just stick him up front and expect him to score loads of goals.
Berahino angling for a move to Liverpool?Supposedly Berahino has dropped Aidy Ward as his agent due to his handling of Sterling's proposed transfer .... so Ward's only client is Sterling. Good, they deserve each other and a great start for Ward's new agency
Coutinho scored 5 as an attacking mids/winger and I don't hear much crticicism of him from Liverpool fans
He was played there for most of the season. I know it's not his natural position, but he'd easily have 10-15 if he had a better shot on him. That should come with time, though.
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