Our Defence - Has it actually been fixed?

Djemba-Djemba said:
Wait are you trying to claim getting rid of Rojo is a bad idea?
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I'd have preferred Rojo to this pussyman named Lindelöf without even thinking twice. Also Smalling to that £80m carthorse. We're still shit at building from the back anyway. At least we would've been much more solid defensively, wouldn't be bullied in every game, wouldn't be at snail's pace etc. with Smalling - Rojo combo.

What was so perfect about getting rid of a player without any transfer fee seriously? "Getting deadwood" my arse. It's just a lame excuse that some fans use to give our clueless manager fake credits like it's been the case with nearly all the work he's done here. If the likes of Smalling, Rojo, Romero etc. were "deadwood", what shit players like Lindelöf are?
 
Lindelof and Maguire will never bring you success as a partnership. Anyone who believes they will is really not understanding the game.
 
A Maguire and Lindelof pairing wouldn't look out of place at Hull City.
 
Machine Elements said:
I'd have preferred Rojo to this pussyman named Lindelöf without even thinking twice. Also Smalling to that £80m carthorse. We're still shit at building from the back anyway. At least we would've been much more solid defensively, wouldn't be bullied in every game, wouldn't be at snail's pace etc. with Smalling - Rojo combo.
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Whilst a tad strong on language I concur with the sentiment.

Maguire has not been an upgrade on Smalling to a great degree, remove the fee & it’s still valid.

Whilst if Rojo were given as many opportunities as Lindelof I think he’d be pretty similar.

Our defence is still in need of improvement.
 
Maguire has been good today going forwards.

He's actually tried to make things happen.
 
Maguire is fine. He’s defending next to a pair of halfwits. One fanny beside him and one fanny behind him. I watch Lindelof and I just wish we’d kept Smalling, to be honest. He isn’t even particularly great on the ball either.

That defensive trio (De Gea, Lindelof, Maguire) is as bad as it’s been since Ferguson retired and it needs fixing as a matter of urgency. Like I say, though, I think Maguire is fine, but he needs some help as he’s currently defending that 18 yard box on his own.
 
Machine Elements said:
I'd have preferred Rojo to this pussyman named Lindelöf without even thinking twice. Also Smalling to that £80m carthorse. We're still shit at building from the back anyway. At least we would've been much more solid defensively, wouldn't be bullied in every game, wouldn't be at snail's pace etc. with Smalling - Rojo combo.

What was so perfect about getting rid of a player without any transfer fee seriously? "Getting deadwood" my arse. It's just a lame excuse that some fans use to give our clueless manager fake credits like it's been the case with nearly all the work he's done here. If the likes of Smalling, Rojo, Romero etc. were "deadwood", what shit players like Lindelöf are?
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Rojo was fecking shit.

So if Lindelof, not saying i'd be keeping him, but Rojo was crap.
 
The West Brom forward (as Hasselbaink says in the Sky studio) fancied his chances against Lindelof and wanted it more. Like @golden_blunder calls him, our CB in that situation was a complete fanny.
 
Not sure how anyone can watch that first half and still think it's Maguire who's the bigger problem of the CBs
 
Maguire is just great but slow. Lindelof is helpless in aerial duel when playing physical and long ball side. Really frustrating situation. Bailly needs to take yoga sessions to get himself injury free.
 
Ole knows it isn't though. He's working with what he has. All transfer talk seems to point towards the fact that we are looking at a new partner for Maguire in the summer. If only Bailly wan't made of paper then maybe we'd be better off for the rest of this season. The fact is that we need a new centre half and Ole knows this. Hopefully the owners don't screw him on this.
 
No. Lindelof is too weak, DDG refuse to leave the line, Maguire is as fast as an oil tanker, he offer no leadership, and has no football brain and AWB is limited.
 
Our defense will never be fixed as long as De Gea is our number 1. Lindelof is going to take the blame and rightfully so because he should be stronger, but everything De Gea did was wrong. His positioning to start is poor. Why is he on his line for a ball that is going to be sent into the box? He should be claiming that ball. Henderson would have. A keeper needs to control his 6 and not depend on defenders to win every single header...
 
city-puma said:
Maguire is just great but slow. Lindelof is helpless in aerial duel when playing physical and long ball side. Really frustrating situation. Bailly needs to take yoga sessions to get himself injury free.
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Is he?

Maguire must know that he's the only CB whose good in air. He should stay at the back and he should make sure to mark the main striker himself. That didn't happened. Shaw and Lindelof are being forced to engage in aerial duels that every man and his dog knows that they are going to lose.
 
city-puma said:
Maguire is just great but slow. Lindelof is helpless in aerial duel when playing physical and long ball side. Really frustrating situation. Bailly needs to take yoga sessions to get himself injury free.
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CB pairings need to complement each other. Our big issue is Maguire and Lindelof have the same weakness of being slow. Lindelof is also weak on aerial battles. That’s why we should use Maguire with another defender. If only Bailly could stay fit, it would solve our defensive issues.
 
kidbob said:
Ole knows it isn't though. He's working with what he has. All transfer talk seems to point towards the fact that we are looking at a new partner for Maguire in the summer. If only Bailly wan't made of paper then maybe we'd be better off for the rest of this season. The fact is that we need a new centre half and Ole knows this. Hopefully the owners don't screw him on this.
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They screwed each other over by agreeing to spend the bulk of our transfer kitty on a player who needs another WC CB for him to suffice. It was a joint decision
 
Maguire is nowhere near as good as some seem to think. He's a problem too. Not being worse than Lindelof is hardly glowing praise.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Maguire isn't good enough.

You'd expect him to be the final piece, not the other way round.
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You're right been saying it for ages - we will not win anything with him in defence. He isn't even facing the Neymar's, Lewandowski's etc yet. Where we are trying to get to Maguire + Lindeloff will only hold us back.
 
Teams playing against Utd can get so much from so little. WBA today fashioned 4 huge chances from a tiny amount of the ball and territory, this is not a new thing.
 
The defence is a mess. Our FBs can't cross, our CB lack pace, positioning and leadership and our GK struggles to leave the line. Lindelof is clearly not good enough same as Tuanzebe and Bailly. However you don't spend 80m on a CB only to have to spend another 80m on an adequate partner for him.
 
I'm going on a limb and say it will never truly be fixed as longa as Maguire plays.

Lindelof gets slated for today, rightly so, but Maguire did nothing to help. He left Lindelof to deal with it, all he did was hide away. As a captain and "best defender" it's not good enough.
 
PlayerOne said:
I'm going on a limb and say it will never truly be fixed as longa as Maguire plays.

Lindelof gets slated for today, rightly so, but Maguire did nothing to help. He left Lindelof to deal with it, all he did was hide away. As a captain and "best defender" it's not good enough.
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McTominay basically had to sit in front of Lindelof simply because Victor can not be trusted to win physical duels. I have my issues with Maguire but he can't do Lindelof's job as well as his own.

Smalling was also criticised along the same lines while partnering Lindelof, maybe just get rid of the guy who is the obvious target for the opposition and get someone who doesn't need a babysitter. Not as if he provides huge positives to offset his weak areas.
 
Shocking CBs. Never winning the league with those two Everton level CBs.
 
PlayerOne said:
I'm going on a limb and say it will never truly be fixed as longa as Maguire plays.

Lindelof gets slated for today, rightly so, but Maguire did nothing to help. He left Lindelof to deal with it, all he did was hide away. As a captain and "best defender" it's not good enough.
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Maguire is an OK squad player but he will never elevate the performances of the defence.

The fact United are linked with Tyrone Mings in the press worries me.
 
Bobski said:
McTominay basically had to sit in front of Lindelof simply because Victor can not be trusted to win physical duels. I have my issues with Maguire but he can't do Lindelof's job as well as his own.

Smalling was also criticised along the same lines while partnering Lindelof, maybe just get rid of the guy who is the obvious target for the opposition and get someone who doesn't need a babysitter. Not as if he provides huge positives to offset his weak areas.
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Look, I don't rate Lindelof one bit. I would have sold him long time ago and kept Smalling.

But Maguire is getting away with murder here, he kept dropping deep every time they were on the attack, and if it wasn't for DDG he would get slated too.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Maguire is an OK squad player but he will never elevate the performances of the defence.

The fact United are linked with Tyrone Mings in the press worries me.
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Squad player? No chance of that under Ole. He clearly rates him, he put a lot on him. Made him captain, plays every games. Plays no matter what, he's going nowhere.

We better find a CB in the summer that can do his job and Maguire's job too. If we get Mings, we might as well write the season off.
 
devilish said:
Is he?

Maguire must know that he's the only CB whose good in air. He should stay at the back and he should make sure to mark the main striker himself. That didn't happened. Shaw and Lindelof are being forced to engage in aerial duels that every man and his dog knows that they are going to lose.
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That's why we need another CB who's simply good on heading. Not just another midget.
 
I'm not convinced by Maguire, but he is better than Lindelof based on actually being able to win a ball in there. He seems to be just as liable to messing up as Lindelof, though. Almost cost us a goal today by being too weak.

We need someone fast; someone you can trust to chase someone down. They need to be strong and preferably tall too, so they can make up for their partner's inadequacies.
 
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