Ok i'll look for something similar as it doesn't work. Yeah DDG made mistakes but i can post a video of countless amazing saves also.
Onana has not worked out. We need a new keeper.
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Ok i'll look for something similar as it doesn't work. Yeah DDG made mistakes but i can post a video of countless amazing saves also.
Agree, it's happened like you it wasn't necessary at this time in the Rebuild, DDG would have wanted a longer deal on big wages ? And maybe that has forced there hand... He's a keeper that is just as flawed as DDG was at times.. I just hope he improves..
Everyone knows that DDG made some amazing reaction saves (as well as some ridiculous blunders in more recent years) but I think you’ll struggle to post us a video of DDG displaying amazing distribution, pushing himself out into midfield to support a high line or organising a defence & commanding his penalty area.
Onana might not prove the ultimate solution but as the modern game developed and keepers took on greater outfield responsibilities DDG became a sea anchor to progress and Onana at least brings the skills necessary to allow you to move forward as a club.
The tricky part is, I guess, how you weigh up that trade-off. So much is subjective - how do you assign a value to better ball retention? I couldn't begin to think about the disparate factors involved in that.
De Gea wasn't great when he first came. Just saying.
Too many of us got caught up in the euphoria of the “transformation” of our attack, but my hope is that he’ll be a steady force in goal, not much more than that. Onana will get there, but he’s clearly not there yet.
Last time I checked Onana isn’t a skinny kid fresh out of the academy. He kind of came with a reputation and expectations that David didn’t.
The whole team isn't very good...
Demonstrably not true
Eh? Last time I checked, neither was de gea?
And in actual fact, de gea came from a better league to boot...
Textbook has everything to do with it when you're not performing.
I don't think it's dead in the water for Onana though. I think he could still turn it around and become very good (hopefully)
You’re quite right mate. It’s a complicated topic and I don’t profess to have all the answers but what we all know is that TH coaches progressive high line possession football and you simply can’t play that way with a keeper who can’t leave his line and can’t distribute confidently and accurately.
Keeping DDG last season meant that TH was forced to be pragmatic to get the best out of a team that he couldn’t push forward and, IMO, that avoided the early implementation of a steep learning curve and incidentally gave you better outcomes last season than you’d have got if TH had been gifted a keeper like Onana a year earlier.
Conversely, TH is now trying to coach your squad in a difficult system of play that they’d have already have been used to if Onana had been with you a year. This, I recon, is the main cause of your current clunky results but it’ll click in due course and you’ll be pleased with the outcomes.
David was 21 when he signed here. He was still turning out for the under 21 and under 23 NT for 2 years after that. It’s hardly peak age for a keeper in any case.
Onana is 27, and has been playing first team football for club and country for 7 years. He’s a heck of a lot more experienced than David was when he signed here.
He was a skinny young lad that got bullied around. Way off the normal peak of a goalkeeper. Onana is in his prime, its not even comparable.
100%. Exactly what I thought too during that first 25 minutes or so. He was actually helping our build up a lot but the outfield players let promising moves go to shite.
That Dalot pass annoyed the hell out of me.
Thats why Onanas howler was so disappointing, he had actually been playing well and he played well in the second half too.
his positioning is a concern for me. the bigger concern is how many shots the opposition is getting inside our box
Good keeper, but not levels above DDG other than his footwork. Should have kept DDG on a short term contract (if he had agreed) or Kovar, and spent the money elsewhere. I don't think we should have spent big money on a GK this time around.
Or even go for someone cheaper like Raya.
Or even go for someone cheaper like Raya.
Yeah, i'd agree with that, and maybe the answer to my question is.. that you don't need all the answers! You simply need to know that a GK suited only to 'plan A' football is not going to work with a team and manager intent on 'plan B', and once you've concluded that, then the decision is made.
Years mean almost nothing for Goalkeepers, some GKs reach their peak in early 30s.
Fine, but it's a bit disingenuous to state de gea was some kid out of an academy when we got him, isn't it?
No. It’s exactly what he was. Onana has played a champions league final for goodness sake!
I guess De Gea isn't good enough to replace De Gea then because we conceded 2 away to Spurs, 3 away to Arsenal and 2 at home to Brighton last season, so Forest is the only 'big' difference as we didn't play Bayern.
Can we give our players some time? Is it too much to ask?
Wasn't De Gea the first choice gk and a UEFA Cup winner when he joined?
They can have all the time they need, just don’t expect to win anything anytime soon (and I don’t mean the energy drinks trophy or Bangkok century cup)
He was 19 at the time. It doesn’t compare to Onana, however you try to frame it. It’s a stupid conversation.
We can’t argue Onana is a big upgrade on De Gea and then when he has a nightmare say ‘but David did that too when he first joined’. Onana is supposed to be better and not making these same mistakes! And a 27 year old keeper should be better than a 21 year old. That’s just natural.
Stop double downing. 84 Appearances for atletico including not only Europe, but Europa League final that he won, means he quite clearly wasnt some kid fresh out of the academy when he was signed.
Onana always had this issue in his game. One minute he is world class and another minute, he is championship level player. I had seen him when he was at Ajax and I was never convinced. I even held him responsible for Ajax exit from the CL semi at the hands of Spurs. I felt any real good goal keeper would have stopped the last minute goal spurs scored.
I am afraid he is not going to be long term solution for us.
I am afraid he is not going to be long term solution for us.
You were the one trying to frame De Gea as really inexperienced. People are just pointing out that's not exactly true. But we all know that, it's why you used his appearances for the national team rather than his club.
This whole thread is a stupid conversation, no idea who would even start it...
I didn't watch all their games but I do remember him making some low level mistakes from time to time. Then he came out with that interview where he suggested people only assume that because of african keepers. He does love to talk, I really hope he can back it up here or the media will eat him up.
I’ve been thinking of a polite way to say this but just can’t find anything apart from he’s crap. A goalkeeper should be good at stopping the ball going into the goal first then secondary should be he’s fancy passing.
Our only saving grace is the Saudis, we may be able to recoup our fee for him when Ten Hag ends up there managing Al Shabab next season
The best thing to do for people like you and me would be to stay away from the caf while we're doing this. In fact, I don't even know why I'm here. Force of habit I guess.
Obviously he's not great. We signed him.
I remember that he became the biggest story in every game he played. Papers ran stories on his supposedly bad eyesight (apparently there's no opticians in Spain
).
I remember that he became the biggest story in every game he played. Papers ran stories on his supposedly bad eyesight (apparently there's no opticians in Spain
).What's so annoying is that Alisson or Ederson have never made any mistakes since joining Liverpool or City respectively. Not a single fecking mistake. They've always been perfect, every single game. Especially crunch games.
How can our rivals get it so right and we get it so wrong?
never made mistakes ????? they do but not many... you forgot how Alisson made mistake against real madrid in UCL last season ?
Showed good character.
Hope this signing work out
Hope this signing work out
Its not a stick and I wasnt trying to offend him (ddg) but his areal presence and distribution is something left to be desired
Do you guys think we will concede much lesser goals if Alisson or Ederson is our goalkeeper ????
You'll concede fewer goals with a better goalie, yes.
"much less"? It wouldn't be a massive difference, Onana has conceded 1 shocker and MAYBE 2 others where he could've done better.
If we had Alisson in goal, Ruben Dias at the back, Rodri in Midfield and Salah up front we’d be on 13 points in the PL now and have won against Bayern