Hard to say when he has a makeshift defence in front of him.
Onana has not worked out. We need a new keeper.
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Doesn't help 3 out of starting back 4 is injured eh and non existant midfield. But yeah blame the new keeper. De Gea did years of the same mistakes so chill out. Some of our fan base are impatient mf's
It’s not about being impatient, it’s about being alarmed at going backwards - especially when our start last season wasn’t great to begin with.
The first goal against Bayern is all him but hes absolutely not responsible for the majority of the 9 goals you're talking about. Thats mainly bad defending from defenders and midfielders. DDG at his best would have conceded a bunch of them
"Lobs" ? There was one single lob that was pretty much a worldie first time shot. If he was told to change his style based on one single world class lob, that would be beyond stupid.
Well we don't know that, but we do know that he has been less willing to venture forward like he used to. It was a clear change from his first game or so of the season.
Well IMO DDG got some unfair stick as well. He didnt command his 5 yard box nevertheless
Hear me out here, has anyone thought of bringing scholes out of retirement to play GK?
Imagine him doing those 70 yard balls from GK, little turns round the striker, give go etc?
Imagine him doing those 70 yard balls from GK, little turns round the striker, give go etc?
Pretty refreshing to hear one of our players actually admit fault and take responsibility.
Many goalkeepers get off to a shaky start. I think there's certainly a lot for him to work on, but that first goal last night was nothing but a lack of concentration. He's either a keeper who struggles with his concentration or is just getting used to the pressures of wearing a United shirt, and will soon settle in. Hopefully its the latter.
His passing skills will be more of a benefit to us when he has players who can retain the ball. As it is currently, he's spraying the ball around to players who are losing it within 5 seconds.
His passing skills will be more of a benefit to us when he has players who can retain the ball. As it is currently, he's spraying the ball around to players who are losing it within 5 seconds.
I can't believe some are saying that we shouldn't have replaced De Gea. As a shot stopper, Onana isn't world class, but neither was the De Gea whose contract we decided to let run down. On top of that, Onana is a completely different level on the ball and some of these crosses he's dealt with has been great to see. There were a few high balls/corners last night that he punched away that De Gea would have shied away from. The claim against Wolves low down at the death amongst a crowd of bodies was terrific. Yes, he should have saved Sane's shot last night, but how many times last season should De Gea have saved shots that led to goals, without any of the positives that Onana brings?
Moving forward, the aim should be to do what any top side does and limit the amount of saves that Onana has to make. This will accentuate his world class attributes. I'm a bit concerned that he doesn't seem to be playing as high up as when he first signed. This tactical decision is counterproductive to the style of play we seemingly want to deploy.
Moving forward, the aim should be to do what any top side does and limit the amount of saves that Onana has to make. This will accentuate his world class attributes. I'm a bit concerned that he doesn't seem to be playing as high up as when he first signed. This tactical decision is counterproductive to the style of play we seemingly want to deploy.
It’s difficult to weigh up the different sides, but I do feel the jump in levels we have now with his ball control and distribution is a net gain on a declining DDG from last season
Too soon to judge.
It was a pretty bad mistake but our whole defence has been at it all season. Whatever Dalot was doing on the second goal was just as bad, and Casemiro (I think) simply decided he couldn't be bothered to track the scorer for the 4th.
I'm not going to judge a player's quality based on them doing things they are obviously better than. If it gets to mid season and its clear that its a trend then there is a problem.
It was a pretty bad mistake but our whole defence has been at it all season. Whatever Dalot was doing on the second goal was just as bad, and Casemiro (I think) simply decided he couldn't be bothered to track the scorer for the 4th.
I'm not going to judge a player's quality based on them doing things they are obviously better than. If it gets to mid season and its clear that its a trend then there is a problem.
Massimo Taibi.. now he had a Brillaint start then wow the gloves fell off everything went under him over him side of him.. and SAF changed it straight away.. this guy Onana is basically the one ETH has hung his hat on.
I don't think it's the right thing to drop him at all, he does need time .. I'm not his biggest fan at all never have and don't think I ever will be, only time will tell, with Keepers they don't seem to usually be given it as mistakes cost .. this one could cost ETH.. and I hope not, get Varane back, get shot of Maguire in Jan fingers crossed and bring in another CB ETH trusts.. then we go from there..
I don't think it's the right thing to drop him at all, he does need time .. I'm not his biggest fan at all never have and don't think I ever will be, only time will tell, with Keepers they don't seem to usually be given it as mistakes cost .. this one could cost ETH.. and I hope not, get Varane back, get shot of Maguire in Jan fingers crossed and bring in another CB ETH trusts.. then we go from there..
He will be fine.
My issue is that with our defence and midfield are not confident enough on the ball to utilize the strength that he was brought in for - his passing out of the back.
I thought we were getting a little joy early on when he came out of the box with the ball, then played the ball long to the right flank. It looked like that we were trying to overload that side from his kicks. Obviously something pre planned.
My issue is that with our defence and midfield are not confident enough on the ball to utilize the strength that he was brought in for - his passing out of the back.
I thought we were getting a little joy early on when he came out of the box with the ball, then played the ball long to the right flank. It looked like that we were trying to overload that side from his kicks. Obviously something pre planned.
We should give that turkih fella a chane. He was pretty good the first year then turned shit. Maybe he an make a Regulion.
Is this really unpopular, beginning to think most people see this now. I know he's faced a lot of shots he shouldn't have but he should have been doing better.
There's definitely been a change, but I think it can be explained with: Lindelof and that gaping midfield. At least I hope we'll move higher up with a fit first XI. The other explanation is his teammates needing more time to adapt to it. I'd be surprised if it's a tactical decision going forward.
The rest of the team is just not equipped to make most of his best qualities. For instance he did so well in helping us bypass Bayern's first line of press but then the useless RB Dalot casually gave away the ball(under zero pressure) as if we had the luxury of keeping possession. We make it so so difficult to keep hold of the ball its ridiculous.
His shot stopping is...poor.
His shot stopping is...poor.
Not worried about him at all.
There are some issues to consider. If you have very low shots against , that means the defense is great and those shots have very much lower chance to go in since the striker is under pressure, lower time to react, less time to position the goal attempt and many stressed factors. When you have many shots on target that means the defense leave great scoring positions to opposition, striker is under low pressure, the danger on each shot rises, more time to adjust and so on, less quality needed to score and you get more chances with higher and higher probability to score. There is a very clear correlation with lower chances offered and league position. Simple fact we relent so many shots on target against us means we suck at defense & mid and offer opposition much leeway to up the danger vs us. This requires shot stopping, not much else to it.
Problem is not with Onana, he is a known quantity, great with feet less so hands. Problem is with the club's over inflated self image to think we play in a way that is compatible with such a keeper. (It's not... yet). We are on path to a 140-180 shots on target against and if he can't maintain a 70+ save% then were looking at 8th or so finish.... I blame recruitment. Great keeper, wrong fit with us. Sure some argue we dont have the main back line, but arguably this IS the main backline since the "main" is more injured then not reality dictates this IS main.
Textbook? Nothing to do with it. Every Utd keeper has started questionably and I think like said, there is no position scrutinised more. I think its pressure and that comes with making mistakes.
The other issue is the sample size, far to early to say made worse coming into a team thats struggling...
I watched him with Inter many a time and he made the same mistakes there.
This not great with his hands is absolute nonsense. You are not in the top 10 goalkeepers in the world based on kicking the football. You think you can play a centre half in goal and get to CL final.
The lad has not played 10 games for us and people are writing him of already. This fanbase sometimes when we arent playing well, come up with the most BS....
It's way too early to proclaim that he's simply no good or won't be good enough. It could easily be early career nerves. Man United are a completely different beast to Ajax and even Inter Milan, who while a good club are not even close to demanding the scale of attention that United do. It's a tough gig in goal for us, you have to be able to handle pressure.
You would hope these types of nerves and mistakes wouldn't be there with such an experienced keeper, but it can certainly happen. It's the same as any other position on the football pitch in that we've got a human being coming into the fold and they don't always hit the ground running. If a right back rocked up and had a tricky start you wouldn't immediately be too concerned, the difference is with a keeper the errors lead to goals and attention. But that in itself doesn't make it any more probable that he's rubbish, it just means he will garner more headlines.
Let's see, give it half a season at least. Hopefully he won't be making mistakes throughout that because it will be costly, but he still needs a period to assess.
You would hope these types of nerves and mistakes wouldn't be there with such an experienced keeper, but it can certainly happen. It's the same as any other position on the football pitch in that we've got a human being coming into the fold and they don't always hit the ground running. If a right back rocked up and had a tricky start you wouldn't immediately be too concerned, the difference is with a keeper the errors lead to goals and attention. But that in itself doesn't make it any more probable that he's rubbish, it just means he will garner more headlines.
Let's see, give it half a season at least. Hopefully he won't be making mistakes throughout that because it will be costly, but he still needs a period to assess.
Pretty much playing like what I expected. Just because he is a 50M player with one of the top 5 keeper salaries in PL, doesn't mean he is no mistake player. Anyways, he is playing behind not looking fully fit Martinez and backup Lindelof. Can cut him some slack.
People expecting some kind of elite, out of the world keeper should revise their expectations.
People expecting some kind of elite, out of the world keeper should revise their expectations.
If the team was playing up to the level they should be playing at he wouldn't be nearly as noticeable, and we'd be more clearly benefiting from ball-playing abilities.
Problem is he looked shaky even with Varane in front of him in our first three games.
Play Mary Earps. Top goalkeeper.
‘only world class at shot-stopping’ is such a bizarre stick to beat a goalkeeper with.
I was vocal here in pointing out how dumb it was to spend limited transfer funds to swap out one flawed keeper with another flawed keeper, but here we are and we should all get behind the man.
What’s done is done and it is what it is. But I hope club management learn the lesson that you cannot let every new manager chop and change the squad, especially at a position that didn’t need the chop.
What’s done is done and it is what it is. But I hope club management learn the lesson that you cannot let every new manager chop and change the squad, especially at a position that didn’t need the chop.
He isn't flawed. He is a very good goalkeeper.
I know it's early doors but after 6 games i reckon we've seen what he's about.
0 to Wolves (they are crap)
2 to spurs
2 to forest
3 to Arsenal
3 to brighton
4 to Bayern including a howler
He's not good enough. De Gea was our player of the match/month/season regularly and i imagine we'll be dropping a lot of points because Onana is in goal instead of De Gea.
I'm not saying all these goals are on him but even when i watch his technique it's not very inspiring. Some of the goals nobody was going to stop but still.
0 to Wolves (they are crap)
2 to spurs
2 to forest
3 to Arsenal
3 to brighton
4 to Bayern including a howler
He's not good enough. De Gea was our player of the match/month/season regularly and i imagine we'll be dropping a lot of points because Onana is in goal instead of De Gea.
I'm not saying all these goals are on him but even when i watch his technique it's not very inspiring. Some of the goals nobody was going to stop but still.
De Gea was a liability most of the time are wouldnt have saved any of those goals we conceeded last night.
Onana is a decent keeper who has been written off for to soon.
That's not how i remember it. He's made some mistakes too but usually a certain "Maguire" was involved. Me? I'll take DDG all day over Onana but that's just my opinion. I'm not a hipster.
De Gea wouldn’t have saved the first goal?
Doesnt work for my area, can you describe the video? I'm open for debate, not saying i know it all.