Ole says this season will be used to find next season’s squad

He's right, this season should be about building for next season, but it's not Ole who should be building it. Give him till the summer to sort it out, else give Poch a call.
 
Rebuild, rebuild, rebuild. Utter, utter shite coming out of his mouth. The excuses to justify being behind Sheff Utd, Wolves and Leicester are utter, utter shite. Man Utd should never be behind these teams with the resources and size of this club. How in the hell he has not been sacked is beyond me. We are nothing more than a Newcastle Utd or Bournemouth. Staying in the Premier League is now the priority of our club with a frigging guy whos not good enough to manage a Championship team. No matter what you did in the Champions League Final Ole, you are absolutely wrecking your standing at the club with the shit you talk.
 
Zlatattack said:
He's right, this season should be about building for next season, but it's not Ole who should be building it. Give him till the summer to sort it out, else give Poch a call.
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Are we talking the same "Poch" who didn't manage to win anything during his tenure at Spurs? Same Poch who got sacked from the team everybody thought he would retire from, because he was doing even worse than us, with a much better squad? That is the Poch you think is going to come in and magically make us great? Wake up.
 
Majima said:
Fellaini, Herrera, Lukaku all left without being replaced properly. I'm not talking about how/if they deserved to go. Just stating that they weren't replaced properly afterwards.

So we can't expect the club to properly replace players this summer too.
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We are in need of a goalscorer and a solid box to box so I agree on Rom and Ander but Fellaini was about as useless as someone can get. There is no replacing such a terrible player. I guess you can say Perreira has replaced him as they're both on par as of how trash a proffesional footballer can be.
 
Lynty said:
Oh sorry, let me rephrase that:

"Remember in 2019/20 when half way through the season Ole and United were sitting 8th, in the semi's of the League Cup, knockouts of Europe and still to play in the FA cup? Should have sacked him."
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You keep mentioning that we're in 8th like it's some accomplishment to be proud of. It's a fecking embarrassment. We've got 30 points in our last 25 games and people like you act like it's great. Nothing wrong. All according to Ole's plan. And "the knockouts in Europe". Wow. We got through a Europa League group of cannon fodder teams that no one has ever heard of. Again, just embarrassing. And at least twice now, you've mentioned that we're still alive in FA Cup which hasn't even started so, again, wow. To listen to you, we're having a great season.
 
Majima said:
It's all just lip service to appease gullible fans, into thinking it will change come summer = renew season tickets.
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Fully agree and if you look at this thread, there are so many fans who have bought it. This is perfect for the Glazers / Woodward and Ole is their man, just keep selling the long term rebuild view with focus on youth.

It is all well setting out a long term rebuild but it is pointless if the bloke in charge has no track record of a rebuild and all signs so far indicates us going backwards rather than forwards.
 
Remember the 'plan' when Jose was sacked? Appointing dof, significant changes behind the scenes on the way... that happened didn't it? That wasn't to appease gullible fans? They didn't change their minds a few months later?

Knowing that, how so many people have fell for it this time too, surprises me.
 
roonaldo78 said:
Fully agree and if you look at this thread, there are so many fans who have bought it. This is perfect for the Glazers / Woodward and Ole is their man, just keep selling the long term rebuild view with focus on youth.

It is all well setting out a long term rebuild but it is pointless if the bloke in charge has no track record of a rebuild and all signs so far indicates us going backwards rather than forwards.
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That is precisely why i can't get behind it. It makes no sense to me.

If you had proper ambitions to succeed, with the resources we have, why would you even waste your time with this experiment? You just wouldn't would you? You would go out and implement the best setup behind the scenes and employ the best manager to execute it.

Do we have a better squad/results than last season? All evidence points to no, so you're right that we're actually stagnating at best.
 
That quote looks terrible coming from a Manchester United manager that just spent 150m in the summer. Defeated mentality if anything. Did he really need this season on top of that last season finale to see if Mata, Lingard, Jones, Matic, Pereira etc. were good enough? Most of those players were useless, only the blind would have stated otherwise.
 
BlueHaze said:
We are in need of a goalscorer and a solid box to box so I agree on Rom and Ander but Fellaini was about as useless as someone can get. There is no replacing such a terrible player. I guess you can say Perreira has replaced him as they're both on par as of how trash a proffesional footballer can be.
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There's no denying that Fellaini had to go, i agree, but don't you think his experience was still handy at times when we were in a bad situation? We did need results this season didn't we? Even Fellaini staying would have been better than no-one to me.
 
Majima said:
Remember the 'plan' when Jose was sacked? Appointing dof, significant changes behind the scenes on the way... that happened didn't it? That wasn't to appease gullible fans? They didn't change their minds a few months later?

Knowing that, how so many people have fell for it this time too, surprises me.
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Eddie stepping down from his current role? Heh, about as possible of me dating Bridget Regan..
 
Majima said:
There's no denying that Fellaini had to go, i agree, but don't you think his experience was still handy at times when we were in a bad situation? We did need results this season didn't we? Even Fellaini staying would have been better than no-one to me.
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He only came in handy when out of sheer desperation we took him in and started lumping it up to him for 20 mins and even then the success rate was minimal. We are better off with him off the wage bill. The most important roles were another striker a RW and a quality CM. We neglected all those areas and to no surprise we are having the worst season I've ever seen.

If you hire such an inexperienced manager as Ole you need to go all in. I blame all of this on our disaster of a board. They're throwing away season after season.
 
billybee99 said:
You keep mentioning that we're in 8th like it's some accomplishment to be proud of. It's a fecking embarrassment. We've got 30 points in our last 25 games and people like you act like it's great.
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That's how far expectations have fallen. Not long ago most fans were laughing at Arsenal being obsessed with 4th place. Now look at United. Some fans think finishing in the top 6 would be a fine achievement for Solskjaer.
 
Majima said:
Engage your brain maybe? Lukaku sold + replacement = happy. Lukaku sold + no replacement = not happy.
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What a lovely condescending tone. Usually people will add the no replacement bit if that’s the main point of grief.

Have a word with yourself. I am sick of the hyperbolic language of the other side, but I don’t say shit that implies their brains are switched off.
 
billybee99 said:
You keep mentioning that we're in 8th like it's some accomplishment to be proud of. It's a fecking embarrassment. We've got 30 points in our last 25 games and people like you act like it's great. Nothing wrong. All according to Ole's plan. And "the knockouts in Europe". Wow. We got through a Europa League group of cannon fodder teams that no one has ever heard of. Again, just embarrassing. And at least twice now, you've mentioned that we're still alive in FA Cup which hasn't even started so, again, wow. To listen to you, we're having a great season.
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It's unbelievable. Man Utd the titans of Britain, the english Real Madrid, sat in 8th place in the end of December. Wow. Yeah we were laughing at Arsenal for consistently finishing 4th and winning 3 Fa Cups in a row.
 
NewGlory said:
Ole said exactly what a thoughtful and good manager would say, under the circumstances.

Nobody expected him to bounce the shit team he got in one transfer window. Everybody who has a clue said it would be multiple transfer windows. Heartbreaking as Watford loss was, there is nothing shocking about what Ole is saying. Stop painting him as some kind of clueless manager. He is not. Clueless managers cannot win the games that he has won. It's insane how suddenly entire Caf is an expert football manager. Go try getting the results that Ole has gotten and then criticize him.

We are certainly not where we want to be (which he said himself) but I swear sometimes I feel like we don't deserve Ole. Was boring, trash football LVG had us play what you preferred? Or did you enjoy the toxicity in the last season of Mourinho, when our team became a media spectacle? And those were two of the most decorated, most experienced coaches of their times!

Caf users who are crying for "Pochettino" would have been the very same people to put a dagger in his back, as soon as he had a misstep. And he would have had it. Six years of mismanagement doesn't get fixed overnight, for feck's sake.

Appreciate what we have, do get upset when we lose, but also be realistic.
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Can I have a pop a the United job then? If I can't outdo him i'm not allowed to critize him.
 
Even if we need another year or two to go toe to toe with titans like Watford of Bournemouth, what qualifications does Ole have to be the one in charge during this period?
 
Shamana said:
Can I have a pop a the United job then? If I can't outdo him i'm not allowed to critize him.
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Go for it, but first you need to be a club legend and a league-winning manager at least in some European league. Beating PSG in two rounds of CL would also help.
 
NewGlory said:
Go for it, but first you need to be a club legend and a league-winning manager at least in some European league. Beating PSG in two rounds of CL would also help.
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Gosh, I guess most of us can't debate and critize football managers on a football forum.
 
Jacckk1985 said:
All Ole's signings so far have been great and fit is idea to build our squad in the long term, one of which was Harry.
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Hear, hear.
He is overplaying a bit especially when we’re losing but that is his will to win coming out when the rest are ambling about. He is a leader. Be nice for him to get a goal or two from set pieces. Think he will settle in and boss the defence for 7-8 years.
 
Zlatattack said:
He's right, this season should be about building for next season, but it's not Ole who should be building it. Give him till the summer to sort it out, else give Poch a call.
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Give Poch a call and tell him to feck off after the shite he served up the last nine months.
 
Champagne Football said:
Offloading a mountain of passangers, mediocrity and mercenaries, while replacing them with hungry talented kids who dream of playing for the club, is no easy task and takes extreme patience.

These are kids who are being gently developed, kids who never in a million years would have seen regular game time under Jose.

There were moans at the start of the season that Greenwood was years away from being first team material, after an underwhelming start, yet Ole persisted and already he has become an important squad player.
The general consensus on here last season was that Scott McT would never be more than a squad player, but Scott has been our best player in quite a few games this season.
There were howls of anguish when we signed Daniel James, but despite a recent dip, no one is howling in anguish anymore.
Brandon Williams, Tuanzebe, and soon to be James Garner hopefully, all are looking like first XI material for many years to come, who will only go from strength to strength despite expected ups and downs as they mature.

It takes balls to persist with kids, even though they may have had a run of 5 poor games in a row at the start of their careers. It takes a special type of manager also to know which ones are ready, and who is going to be good enough. Van Gaal just threw every kid from the academy into the first team, without being able to establish who was a Man Utd player and who was not. Moyes had no track record with kids, ditched Zaha, and worshipped Januzaj, and he got found out. Jose has never developed a young player in his life.

When you consider the size of Ole's task, there is a feeling that little by little progress is constantly being made, despite results suggesting the contrary.

When we beat Ajax in the 2017 Europa final, they looked bang average. De Ligt, and Ziyech were in the first XI, Frenkie De Jong, David Meres and Van de Beek on the bench. Nobody would have said to you that day, that by summer 2019, two years later, that this Ajax team would be the hottest team in Europe.
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You are rewriting history here to suit your agenda.
 
NewGlory said:
Are we talking the same "Poch" who didn't manage to win anything during his tenure at Spurs? Same Poch who got sacked from the team everybody thought he would retire from, because he was doing even worse than us, with a much better squad? That is the Poch you think is going to come in and magically make us great? Wake up.
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So straight up: if you had the choice between OGS and Poch, you would choose Ole?
 
Jacckk1985 said:
All Ole's signings so far have been great and fit is idea to build our squad in the long term, one of which was Harry.
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Harry Maguire hasn't been "great" in any way or form for us. He turned out exactly as many called it. A decentdefender that turns and runs incredibly slow. His ball playing abilitiesalso have been worse than many, including me, expected. And that for 80 fecking mill.
James hasn't been great either. He started off pretty well bit his weaknesses have come to show last couple of months. Not saying he can't turn out a decent buy but it's too early to say. So could people finally stop with that Oles's signings have been great narrative? It's simply not true
 
NewGlory said:
Go for it, but first you need to be a club legend and a league-winning manager at least in some European league. Beating PSG in two rounds of CL would also help.
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Have you ever critized Mourinho? Have you won the treble with Inter? Or the CL with Porto?
 
Godfather said:
Harry Maguire hasn't been "great" in any way or form for us. He turned out exactly as many called it. A decentdefender that turns and runs incredibly slow. His ball playing abilitiesalso have been worse than many, including me, expected. And that for 80 fecking mill.
James hasn't been great either. He started off pretty well bit his weaknesses have come to show last couple of months. Not saying he can't turn out a decent buy but it's too early to say. So could people finally stop with that Oles's signings have been great narrative? It's simply not true
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Most expensive defender in the world. How does he compare to VVD?
 
Raven said:
I thought we knew this? When he signed up full time, he told us that this is a 3 year project.
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Yes, and he said the goal of next season is to close the 30 points gap with the top of the league. Well done Ole, you have done the opposite. He is buying time to stay as long as he can in his chair. I bet he himself know he is not good enough to the job, but he will try to sit as long as possible and enjoy the ride, and when the time will come when we are rock bottom, he will be sacked and go home to Norway with few millions in his pocket.
 
matherto said:
I'm surprised so many of you hadn't grasped this already.

This season is day zero of the big rebuild. All bets are off. Any result that happens is just what it is, good or bad.

We changed our approach to transfers and we got rid of deadwood. It was obvious from the squad as we went into the first game that this year was a complete write off so why didn't you lot write it off?
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Except that narrative only started a few weeks into the season. Lest you forget we smashed Chelsea on the opening day and spirits were high, as were the expectations for a top 4 finish. This only changed when we started to lose and Ole and his supporters started to tell us this season was always a write off and next season we'll see the true fruits of his labour, but wasn't that what he said after Everton last season. It's almost as if the guy knows what to say to keep the (gullible) fans onboard.
 
NewGlory said:
Are we talking the same "Poch" who didn't manage to win anything during his tenure at Spurs? Same Poch who got sacked from the team everybody thought he would retire from, because he was doing even worse than us, with a much better squad? That is the Poch you think is going to come in and magically make us great? Wake up.
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Had no right challenging or winning cups though did he. The ‘better squad’ says it all when he spent about a fiver in the transfer market and we spent hundreds of millions and more often than not finish behind them in the league. They had a better squad because he’s brought the likes of Deli, Kane and Son on all 3 were virtually unknown before his tenure.
 
All these people saying we’re in the midst of a project & it takes time; you do know projects aren’t simply playing bad for 3 years then suddenly becoming world beaters - right?
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
It is absolutely non-sensical to think that performances will improve vastly ‘just because’; no one expected a title challenge - most thought top4 would be difficult but this season has been shambolic.

The right pieces? We start a defence/goalkeeping unit with a value of £200+mil most weeks & still concede goals the likes we saw on Sunday. An overpriced CB instead of midfielders that don’t crumble in every away game really isn’t good business.

The blind faith given to OgS despite no actual tangible evidence of improvement [we have gone backwards] is exactly why this club deserves the mediocrity we are mired in.

Blind optimism with absolutely no proof of improvement means we can challenge for titles next season? Ridiculous.

Had he not played here he wouldn’t be here, if he loves the club admit the task is too big & leave.

When our form fell off a cliff at the end of last season he talked about preparing for this season; this season goes terribly & now it’s about next season. Joke of a manager.
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This is a wonderful joke of a post. Ill reply to it tomorrow after the christmas festivities. Merry Christmas!
 
I am still holding the faith with Ole, but I get the criticism, and the feelings of those who want him gone, I guess I am a little more of an optimist, I think hey at least in the last 18 months I have actually enjoyed watching Utd play at least some of the time, whereas in the previous years since SAF have been 100% dire start to finish (also probably the last few years of SAF we were pretty dull TBH even when winning)

What I really do not get are the posters using Jose as some kind of shining comparison, were you all in comas during his tenure? once Zlatan left so did any good feeling in that team and that dressing room, it was the worst time that I can remember since I started following Utd mid 80s, the first time that I would not even bother going to or watching matches because it was so painful.

I remember when SAF purchased Cantona and the impact he had on the team, Ole needs to find his Cantona, then all the cogs will start turning, just not sure that there are any Cantonas out there anymore.

I do not know if Ole will be the answer, my heart says yes, my head says no, but points aside and I know that points are precious I have more faith in his tenure than I did for Moyes, Van Gaal or the Chosen one, even if he does not make the grade I feel like he will have left the team in a better shape that when he joined, and maybe just maybe if Ole is not the permanent answer he will have been part of a positive change which the next manager can work with rather than the baggage that everyone else has been left with and I include Moyes because he was left right in the stink by SAF.
 
So how does writing off the season in december effect the culture of Man Utd? I remember it being quite different under Saf.
 
UnitedSofa said:
Oh yes, lets further diminish squad numbers than they already are. That’ll fix things. Ugh. The entitlement.
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You are delusional. There is nothing "entitled" about thinking it was a horrible idea to give new contracts to underperforming, overpaid players. What kind of message does that send to the squad?
 
MaxiPaxi said:
fecking pathetic, he's been a year in charge, he should have had a clear idea this summer what was needed and how to implement those ideas and mould the squad. To coherently convey tactics to our players. We've arguably have not achieved any of the above.
Oh, and don't get me started about his Liverpool quotes -- how it took them a couple of seasons. Klopp reached the Europa League final. CL final the next and it was bloody clear they were going the right direction. We look like the fecking wheel has been ripped out and fecked out the window.

Get him and his delusions out to feck.
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To be fair, was it Ole or Woodward who held back on buying new players last Summer? The answer to that question is key.
 
Tom Cato said:
I'd like to step in here and remind everyone that this is exactly in tune with Ole's vision for the squad. We are building to compete for titles next season. This season was always going to be about signing the right pieces and identify what kids can take the step up and what players we need to buy in the upcoming windows.

This is the same information in new words.
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Easy Ole, we heard you the first time.

Regarding his comments and the future. Worst United manager in my lifetime. Delusional and clueless. A talker and a bullshitter. Nothing more to say before he’s gone. I can’t stand his face and comments any longer.
 
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To be fair, was it Ole or Woodward who held back on buying new players last Summer? The answer to that question is key.
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We brought a 80m defender and a 50m FB, and spent all around 150m. How much more money was expected to be spent? Why are people acting as if we didn't spend last summer?
 
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