How is Ole still in the job, that's beyond me. At this rate, we will have a disgruntled player raising his hand on the manager just like a disgruntled Mario Balotelli did the same on Roberto Mancini. Is that what it will take to force a change of manager, seriously?
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He didn't offer himself a three year contract, this is on the board one hundred percent now. Solskjaer gains nothing from walking at this point as his legacy at United will be intact either way and he ain't getting another top flight job again in all likelihood.
Same sentiment exactly. At one point, one has to say "to hell with sympathy" when it's public knowledge that Ole is not going dirt poor after this job.
Yeah, I heard it a lot. I am just saying I don’t feel sorry for him as the post suggested I should. And it’s not like he can’t quit his head high as he is already very rich. But I don’t buy his crap about loving the club. I have lost all respect for him as he is just some who talk the talk.
At least José never lied to us by speaking about his love for the club and bla-bla-bla. With him it was always about him and the money. I respect his honesty. Ole wasn’t honest with us and he has only himself to blame for that. But all the crap he is talking now, even him doesn’t believe it !
If he doesn’t know he is a dead man walking he is an idiot…
True but at least we could feel some optimism for next season IF we could put a deal in place and announce it
Well, haven’t you lost any hope already ?
What if, in a parallel universe, Oles been asked to step down but stay until they can find someone? He can see it’s the right thing and is taking the shit because he thinks he’s doing right by the club?
Assuming that United are giving Ole until the end of the season, it's a risky move that could have long-term repercussions on the club. If we were to not make top four, and thus CL, then not only could key players opt to leave, but potential signings might revise United as a proposition for next season. Even more, key managerial targets might find a depleted non-CL team to be far less attractive also.
Lots of 'ifs' there, but, it's a potential outcome if Ole doesn't get us the top four place.
Lots of 'ifs' there, but, it's a potential outcome if Ole doesn't get us the top four place.
He is not held at the job by force. If the job is so insufferable- he can resign any time - yes, lose the dream job, but gain huge respect from the fans and not run the risk of tainting his legacy. Other managers did it. I feel like you are infantilizing him a bit. He is a grown-up man who should be able to handle trade-offs in life - and his trade-offs are a lot better than most of us will ever have.
Besides, working hard counts for little if it does not bring results ar least long-term. And his "work" arguably is a net negative for the club. The PR in press about how our coaching staff is working overtime is laughable really. In the former Soviet Union we have a saying that became popular when it collapsed - "you cannot measure work by tiredness".
I agree that the situation is stressful for him, and he did not make the board hire him. It is not a crime to be not good enough manager for united. And I do feel some sympathy for him, but there are a number of things that reduce it greatly, such as:
1) Even if you are not good enough as a manager, whether you realize it or not - hiring a coaching staff with the CVs of our current coaching staff IS criminal (more so since everyone saw what happened to Moyes - and he was criticized by Fergie for that!). It is the equivalent of building a team around the likes of Heaton, Brandon Williams, Lingard, buying Welbeck and Joshua King and making them key players also.
2) Ole has also during his managerial career shown a lot of negative qualities: nepotism (hiring/retaining players - at Cardiff - and coaches - at United - who are of questionable quality, but who he knows well), favoritism (not dropping poor performers), lack of regard for players' well-being (overplaying or rushing them after injuries), dishonestly (promising more gametime and reneging). Many of those qualities were exacerbated by him being not good enough, so I do not doubt that on balance he Is a decent guy. But the narrative of him having a great personality is overblown (not by you, but it used to be very common among fans and press).
I’d rather judge him after a run of games under a management and coaching staff a level above amateur.
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Then he has a job for life as he is the Glazers hero, the silent dark knight who will take all the blame to make them perdure
First blip in three years
Yeah those words show just how little they know about Football doesn't it
Such a reactive manager if that's true about VdB. There's feck all future planning going on here.
Yeah I am convinced that the board are confident there won't be a player exodus if we miss out on Champions League
Instead of jokes about "that is Ole's first real test" we will now have jokes about "that is Ole's first real blip"'The first real blip'. Feck me
It's been like this from the start though. Ole only dropped and sold Lukaku because the fans didn't like him even though he was (at the time) our best attacking player by far. If Ole feels like the fans are catering to a specific player he'll play him.
Kind of weird that he's been impressing in training now when they've just been on a 10 day holiday and most of our first teamers haven't returned yet. But ok wouldn't surprise me.
Well there won't be since a lot of players are on inflated wages compared to their actual worth (Martial, Maguire, AWB) or are already at their level where any club interested in them is similar to us (Lindelof, Fred, Rashford, Shaw).
Issue is there may be an exodus of young players (specifically ones Ole bought) because they aren't getting playing time and their careers are being ruined. (DVB, Sancho, Amad)
If you combine that with the players who are most certainly going to leave if we don't qualify (Ronaldo, Pogba, and Cavani) and those who will be leaving regardless (Mata, Matic, Lingard).
I'm not sure how they can't see that there won't be an exodus. At the very least we'll need to replace 5 first team players. Likely 7.
The summer is getting more and more expensive. But of course if we do have an exodus it'll be the perfect opportunity for the board to hire yet another manager and say "you have 3 years because you need to rebuild!"
It seriously angers me how easily this could have been avoided if they just had the brain to fire Ole and hire Conte. Even if it goes up in flames (it wouldn't) at worse you're facing the same situation in the summer. At best you convince a few players to stay and possibly do well in the league.
This first real blip stuff is an absolute joke, obviously forgot about how close to the edge he was after Burnley in Jan 2020 and Istanbul in Nov 2020. Think you will find this is actually the THIRD blip you utterly clueless yanks.
Yeah could have easily been avoided IF our clueless boards head wasn't in the clouds
I'd say the young players you mentioned wouldn't necessarily want to leave. That would depend on the new manager, say Ten Hag comes in for example, I can see Sancho/DVB and Amad excited to play under him. As long as we don't sell these players in Jan I reckon it would be fairly easy for the new manager to convince them to stay provided he wants them.
In terms of our striker I think the club have known for a while we need a new one, they are well aware of the fact that Cavani/Ronaldo were short term signings.
I am worried in regards to our midfield though, as replacing Pogba, Matic and Lingard will be a big problem considering we don't exactly have the best depth in that area already.
That's his best trick - keeping the fans on side. Selling Fellaini for example as soon as he arrived... Probably thought 'oh shit, better start playing Donny' after the reception he got against City.
They've had a week holiday but yet will now start him on the back of 2/3 days training.
That's his best trick - keeping the fans on side. Selling Fellaini for example as soon as he arrived... Probably thought 'oh shit, better start playing Donny' after the reception he got against City.
They've had a week holiday but yet will now start him on the back of 2/3 days training.
Yeah FFS Ole it shouldn't have needed the fans to tell you Donny deserves to start games
What makes you think he is not very good? You think he's been given enough chances here att United?
It got nothing to do with us having a shit manager who doesn't have a clue what he is doing and cant develop players?
I get it, you are norwegian, he is norwegian and therefore you have to defend him at EVERY turn.
But post like yours are why this forum been so toxic lately, you might not realise it, but its so. On top of that, your extremely biased view of Ole makes you look rather silly.
He was literally on the verge of the sack last winter too, we were even in talks with Poch. It's laughable, they think we're idiots.'The first real blip'. Feck me
That's fair enough, but then at the same time no one should feel obligated to feel any sympathy for him either.
Bizarre response.
What is bizarre about it?
If you don't want to answer or interact with me, that's absolutely fine. Either answer my post or just ignore it. Whats bizarre is your reply. "i dont know what to say so ill just call the post bizarre response"
People see through it and it makes you look ever more silly.
Again, how is he not very good? And what are you basing that on? His time at united? If we had a manager with a clue, do you think he could have developed him more than Ole has?
If you dont want answer its cool, just dont post something childish as your first respons. Thanks
Apart from his point about you making the forum toxic (I'm here for all opinions, no matter how deluded), your opinion is absolutely not based in reality.
DvdB has barely played because a manager that has shown he's incompetent doesn't know how to use him. That is not on the player and certainly doesn't mean he's not good enough.
Anyone saying he's not very good because he doesn't play when it's patently obvious it's because the man in charge doesn't know how to play a cultured midfielder used to a continental style of play (also, see Sancho) is just displaying colossal lack of common sense.
VDB shoul pull a sickie and tell them to feck off.
I'll do what I want. Thanks.
If you'd stopped at the first sentence you might have got a reply but instead went off on a baseless tangent.
The Ole Inners should create a subforum where they can discuss his managerial masterclasses or why the fine margins were against him after each game.
I don't think he's shown any sign he'll make as a regular starter here. He just gets better in people's minds the more he doesn't play. I hope i'm wrong.
Those guys definitely need a forum of their own.
I think a sub forum dedicated to die hard Ole supporters would be welcome. At this stage, any argument in support of his management seems like pure waffle and attention mongering.
91‘st minute VDB own goal……go on son, you know you want to
Cosmo Kramer : You're a rabid anti-dentite! Oh, it starts with a few jokes and some slurs: "Hey, denty!" Next thing you know you'll be saying, "They should have their own schools"! Jerry : They *do* have their own schools!
If Donny starts tomorrow is another proof on how desperate Ole is. Media start talking about Conte and he chances to back 5, Old Traffod cheers for Donny and he's starting. He's absolutely lost, but hey lets keep wasting time with him.
Drop Maguire songs Saturday perhaps ?
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