Yeah that has definitely just made my eyes bleed seeing those two words alongside his name haha
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Yeah that has definitely just made my eyes bleed seeing those two words alongside his name haha
INCOMPETENT (According to Cambridge Business English Dictionar)
- lacking the skills or knowledge to do a job or perform an action correctly or to a satisfactory standard:
What’s coming with it is that almost everything else connected to a incompetent person will be labeled the same way. The way they talk, walk or even smiles. Our real enemies is our board. I have said this numerous times. The worst thing the Glazers has done is to not take action. Back him in public or sack him or this civil war will continue until something is done. Public backing from the owner is often the kiss of death in the corporate world but right now silence is the clubs worst enemy because is create wild speculations and divide our fan base.
- lacking the skills or knowledge to do a job or perform an action correctly or to a satisfactory standard:
What’s coming with it is that almost everything else connected to a incompetent person will be labeled the same way. The way they talk, walk or even smiles. Our real enemies is our board. I have said this numerous times. The worst thing the Glazers has done is to not take action. Back him in public or sack him or this civil war will continue until something is done. Public backing from the owner is often the kiss of death in the corporate world but right now silence is the clubs worst enemy because is create wild speculations and divide our fan base.
“Satisfactory standard” - we were supposed to be in a title race. We didn’t have to win it, only to be there or there abouts come seasons end.
It is November. That’s already gone and now we are supposed to accept a top 4 finish? I personally don’t think we’ll get out of the CL group either but you cannot dress this up to be anything other than a lowering of expectations, due to incompetence within the hierarchies of the club. How much can we take?
I think people underestimate how easy it would be for a competent manager to have us in a title race at this moment in time.
Given how bad we have been, Sunday league level performances nearly every game, a complete tactical mess and players downing tools on the manager, 12th in xPTS - we're currently 9 points off the top. All it would have taken is a manager who can organise the team to a professional level and have the actual faith of the players and you could reasonably expect we'd be 6+ points better off than we currently are, and we'd be right in the race. We may not win it without upgrading certain areas of the team but there's no reason for us to be out of the race already.
By the time the new manager comes in they'll be walking into a mess of a situation, dressing room unrest, miles off top 4 and miles off 1st. Feel sorry for the poor bastard.
I certainly don’t underestimate it. Had chelsea won their last game - 11 pts seems maybe too much to make up. But we had a window in which to act, a quite fortuitous one in fact. We did nothing. Now we are staring down the barrel of another wasted season.
We will now achieve nothing like our pre-season expectations - which wasn’t even to win the thing. We are now hoping for top 4. Another year wasted under unambitious, incompetent ownership. Let the FOOTBALL clubs compete for the major trophies - it’s only fair.
Hmm sounds very much like what Ole walked into in December 2018, now the boot is on the other foot so to speak
Pepe, Dixon, Richarlison and Rodgers have been called cnuts and that's just today.
He's not wrong about double-standards. It's just that cnut is the accepted double-standard.
That's mostly what most of us are frustrated with. We seemingly have a fantastic squad playing below our ability. Problem is there isn't seem to be any competent manager willing to take over at this stage. We can complain about Ole all we want but if there is no one, there is no one.
Not directed at you but in general, while I feel Ole is not competent to get the best out of the current team, some of the attacks on him personally are pretty brutal and personal. We are all frustrated but shouldn't they be directed at the board instead? If no one is available to take over mid-season and Ole is all we got, all these attacks (some over the top) are not going to help him turn it around.
Imagine Ole performing like this at Bayern Munich and lasting 3 years. We are no longer a big club. Utterly depressing.
Dude, he would have been fired at most clubs, never mind Bayern. Chelsea, City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, even Everton and Leicester would have sacked him by now. We're a laughing stock because we are the worst run club in Europe.
Not Arsenal. Surely Pep Lite has been abysmal, yet he's still here.
We aren’t a billion in the red and had to let go of the greatest player in our history because we couldn’t afford his wage. That’s to say nothing about the multitudes of clubs crippled by Covid or bad management that face liquidation or administration.
Our situation is dire enough without verging into hyperboles.
Diet Pep, sí?
I'm not so sure. He's got a squad of far lesser quality, has spent less money and has actually won a trophy. Also has Arsenal higher than us in the league currently. There's an argument to be made that given the quality of his squad, Ole is probably the most underperforming manager in the EPL at current moment.
Just woke up
Is Ole still there?
Is Ole still there?
Stolen from reddit, not sure about the accuracy of data though.
Don't think he's going anywhere, suck it up, we'll probably get a few wins over the festive period and he'll get till Feb, when we might win a few on the bounce and then he sees the season out getting the sack when we're mathematically out of the top 4.
Would be interesting to see what happens to him if we don't make it to the CL KOs.
Would be interesting to see what happens to him if we don't make it to the CL KOs.
Literally just sacking Ole and not replacing him would improve us.
Also the whole "who will take over" argument doesn't work, there's been plenty of options who we just ignore regularly. And who says a manager has to be unemployed to come here? Load of shit. Villa just poached Gerrard from Rangers for example.
The frustration with Ole is because for a man who claims to love United as much as he does, he is seriously harming the club and being toxic and a flat out liar for the careers of multiple players which isn't cool. He deserves to be under intense pressure and criticism, and he will be until he does the honorable thing and steps down, or gets sacked.
I don’t like such double standards. If Ole is to be protected from personal attacks, so should the board and every single one of the players.
Stolen from reddit, not sure about the accuracy of data though.
Why the feck does anyone care about ”per season” spending? Especially when the blue column took over a side that had won the league two seasons prior to his appointment.
According to those stats, Pep has spent 855 million from a clearly better position on his squad, Ole has spent 340 less from a worse position.
Have City spent better? Clearly, for the most part, but having a long term plan to bring in Pep, and have his old sporting directer from Barca arrive early and identify “Pep targets” a good year or two before Pep even arrived also skews those stats.
I believe the single biggest difference in the quality of the two squads is the management. Stick Ole at City for 3 years whilst we have Pep and we all know roles would be reversed.
That graph doesn't even make sense as the whole market has changed after 2017-18 season.
I cannot comprehend the possibility of him finishing outside of the top 4 and keeping his job. Think that would lose me totally and don't know where the route back would be.
Aye, could have come directly from the Abu Dhabi PR machine.
City and Pep have spent loads more than Ole regardless, but it’s a red herring anyway, I really don’t think there’s a huge difference between the squad quality, City have much more quality in DM & full backs is all, United have lots more up top.
The gulf in class between the management is absolutely enormous though.
Agreed. Said it few times, manager changes the perception on how the squad is rated. Get a great one like Pep, your squad looks better than it is. Get an average one like Ole, squad looks worse than it is.
The gulf in class management wise is absolutely enormous with many in the league and that's scary
I think at this point it's evident we do not have any standards, rather than standards being low.
Trend continues.
He obviously meant to say “crap one”.
They should probably down tools on him to send a loud and clear message to the board, however won't happen because he is loved too much.
Yeah that's the point, City have the money and they spent it well and have good management, that's why they have been more successful since the UAE takeover. While United's just continue to just spend money without long term plan.
Spending big does not guarantee success when the management does not know where to spend it. While if you give good manager like Pep money, he'll win the league, and that's proven
Well we are the new Liverpool so it’s just the natural progression of our forum I guess.
QC’ing people for having a laugh that the manager is like having a P.E teacher in charge, can it get more RAWK?
All we need now are some more poets on the forums.
Trend of being diplomatic and using velvet gloves when talking about certain special "one of us" individuals? Yes of course.
It’s not the point though as I still maintain the spending vs squad quality is a red herring, which is how that graph frames it.
The sole focus should be on the managers.
Hmm, I honestly thought that the graph try to portray how effective City's signings are compared to United. Especially if we see that most of LVG and Mou's signing are no longer at the club
Oh. You need it to be spelt out. I see.Saying Ole isn't good enough and should be sacked is being diplomatic?
Over the past 5 seasons we still have a shit load of our signings too.
How are “most of Mourinho’s no longer at the club”?
Matic, Bailly, Fred, Dalot, Lindelöf, Pogba.
And why do LVG’s matter when the graph only take into consideration 5 seasons of Pep?
Once again, I see it as a red herring, the “effectiveness” of City’s signings are due to the great management, and vice versa for United.
Well out of 20 players that LVG and Mou bought, 12 are not in the club anymore, not sure if that's majority or not.
You add Pellegrini into those chart and nothing's changed, City spend really well, hire good managers, United does not do both.
Yeah and I've been saying that too, I'm really not sure where we're disagreeing here tbh, sorry if I misunderstood you comment
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