The ambition of this club is to qualify for the CL, nothing more.
Ole Sack Watch
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We're steadily becoming a rich man's Arsenal
Without the occasional FA cup
I just can't face losing to Arsenal again, it's just the ultimate shame.
This is the part that absolutely no supporters should be happy with. They may not want to push for Ole to go, but by doing so you're doing the dirty work of the Glazers, everything we have apparently stood against. You're enabling mediocrity. The cub are telling us all right now that they don't have ambition to win trophies and they will all swallow it in the name of protecting Ole. Don't know what's come out of this looking worse, the club or some of our fans. Delusion FC.
And without even getting in the top 4 consistently sadly.
The way Arsenal are playing of late, and how bad we've been against them under Ole even when not a circus, I can see them absolutely destroying us. Genuinely think it'll be Liverpool-esque.
Honestly, after a 5-0 against Liverpool, it's like stabbing a corpse. Does it even matter?
I feel disappointed that Sir Alex is choosing to protect him behind the scenes. This is just undefendable. Even Liverpool got rid of Dalglish when he hit his ceiling.
To be honest, when you put it like that and factor in whether a new manager-perhaps with a more progressive style of football-would fancy the likes of AWB or McFred as well then that's quite depressing actually. I'm not knocking those players in particular but just saying they might not be every managers cup of tea.
Surely people should stop calling him a legend of the club if he is holding them for ransom as well then? He must know at this point that he is holding the team back and yet won't leave because of a payment that he is due if and when he gets fired from his position. That is putting himself and his payment before the club, no? It doesn't matter who else would do the same, that fact is that it is Ole that is doing it right now.
I can agree with you and say that I would 100% do the same thing but I then wouldn't expect to be praised by the supporters of the club if I am a big part of the reason that the team are under performing.
Well tbf a progressive manager would like DVB, Martial and maybe convince Pogba to stay, AWB and Mctominay would probably be replaced though. Problem is we need Ole gone before those players go and we're in a worse position.
I wouldn't be surprised if a better manager made our midfield look good. Ten Hag for example. Compare his midfield from the recent CL games Vs Dortmund with our players. That's why I refuse to believe we're reluctant to pay Ole out. Just doesn't make sense even financially.
I might be crucified for this but I believe Sir Alex is in their ears telling them to give Ole more time.
That's what I think honestly, is there any article as regards this?
Of course it is, as long as the pounds keep rolling in they're happy as larry. There is no ambition to compete and win big trophies at this football club.
I truly hope not even if its entirely possible. I'd be a bit surprised since the manager inside him must have been fuming watching the spineless and tactically inept performances we've put in recently, and sentimentality is something he's proven not putting into equation before considering how he got rid of Roy Keane and David Beckham.
Maybe he's become a bit more sentimental with age, who knows.
Bayern did brilliantly to secure Nagelsmann nice and early. If we come away from Ole with anyone other than a progressive genius like Ten Hag, then I'll be disappointed. We have the chance to get the next big thing, so if we go for Rodgers instead and Ten Hag ends up at City to replace Pep, then we'll only have ourselves to blame for losing out.
I have never been aggressive and impatient about these things but i'm completely baffled by this situation. There's literally only one or two games this season that you can be happy about and even the wins have almost always looked depressing.
Is this club run by goldfish who dont remember fixtures after a few days?
The thing is, I understand that the situation is difficult because there's no clear replacement but the fact that we have reached this point at all shows unforgivable incompetence from the board. And they already had their second, third, fourth and fifth chance like Ole has had with this incompetence.
I feel so powerless and unhappy, it's actually affecting my wellbeing and i'm not even that kind of a fan usually.
Is this club run by goldfish who dont remember fixtures after a few days?
The thing is, I understand that the situation is difficult because there's no clear replacement but the fact that we have reached this point at all shows unforgivable incompetence from the board. And they already had their second, third, fourth and fifth chance like Ole has had with this incompetence.
I feel so powerless and unhappy, it's actually affecting my wellbeing and i'm not even that kind of a fan usually.
When we appointed Moyes I remember being dumbfounded. My mum, who doesn't watch football but was aware of SAF's dynasty, and has done business with a few high profile CEO's in the industry she works in, many of whom have now retired and made way for new replacements commented "Maybe he doesn't want anyone to come close to his success". I laughed back then but as time goes on, it doesn't seem implausible.
Would Sir Alex's ego like to see someone come and do what Pep/Klopp has done at united? I think he would, but this supposed backing of Ole has reminded me of the above.
We need to be be proactive in looking at these new generation of progressive coaches. If not Ten Haag, I'd take Potter over Rodgers. Easy to forget there were some turning their nose up on Naglesmann as recent as last year.
How is the holiday going? Any pics?
It's like some of you are that thirsty, you're lay on grass in the middle of the moors, waiting until dawn. So you can lick the dew from the grass.
I however, have brought a thermos flask.
You're welcome to join me.
I however, have brought a thermos flask.
You're welcome to join me.
No I cant. You wrote such a big post, but are being vague as hell. Are you saying SAF is orchestrating all this from BTS?
Nobody knows if SAF is saying anything at all. Media has written all kinds of stories in past 4-5 weeks.
How does a progressive coach translate in to money in the Glazers pockets though? That's what drives policy at the club. Also, if they might be mean to the board it's thanks, but no thanks.
Nothing in norwegian papers.
What about Chilevision?
Probably, don’t have access
I know he's miles better than Ole but dozens of managers are, he's not won anything of note, done nothing in Europe, choked on top 4 in consecutive seasons and bottled the PL from a winning position, plus he's an insufferable cornball who talks wet all of the time, he's not gonna lay a glove on Pep/Klopp/Tuchel.
He did, but have a look at their squad that season, hardly Brazil 1970.
And then he bottled TOP 4 with Leicester 2 seasons in a row. There is a pattern here.
Sterling and Sturridge played well that season as well, plus it wasn't the toughest competition outside of City that season
SAF will likely feel partly responsible for Ronaldo missing out on trophies with Man City, so you'd think he'd be determined to make it right and want Solskjaer replaced, but ultimately it's not up to him. I think it's a combination of Murtough (and Fletcher) fighting Solskjaer's corner, and Woodward hoping the pressure will make Solskjaer throw the towel in, saving the club millions in compensation.
Murtough last month:
Solskjaer's long term youth nurturing project is the biggest myth going but it's well and truly fooled them, and bought him a shit load of time.
Still has nothing to do with his point here which is correct regardless of who it's coming from.
I worry for us if we beat Watford. It will do long term damage to us as it'll convince the Glazers to keep Ole even longer
One of the benefits of the doubt afforded to ole early on was the prospect of well developed young players and improving and moulding signings to HIS team. You look at the youth we have and have to concede that that hasn't been the case
Greenwood and rashford have done well but you get a sense Greenwood is a phenomenal talent who could take off with top coaching.
Sancho, diallo, pellistri, van de beek, AWB, Daniel James. Looks like plenty of talent that's delivering little.
Greenwood and rashford have done well but you get a sense Greenwood is a phenomenal talent who could take off with top coaching.
Sancho, diallo, pellistri, van de beek, AWB, Daniel James. Looks like plenty of talent that's delivering little.
A good Watford win should give him enough momentum to get him through the minefield that is Villarreal and Chelsea, then the heat will be on again against Arsenal, a bad result there and he'll be under massive pressure against Palace, which could be it for him if we lose imo, but if he does get past that then looking at the fixtures then he'll be safe for a good while.
That's how I see it anyway.
To be fair we're in unprecedented territory. We've never seen what happens if a manager fails medium-long term to get anywhere near a league title/CL.
Yes Mourinho LVG and Ole have all kept their job for as long as they're qualifying for champions league however those instances are literally a sample size of 1 or 2 full seasons per manager... That is not evidence to say the board will never replace a manager who finishes in the top 4, it just means we've never had a manager here for a long enough period for it to happen.
As an example, as pathetic as I think our board is they are not going to accept 4th place with bad performances 10 seasons in a row without changing manager. Fans booing the team off the pitch, players leaking dressing room stories about how shit the manager is, something will have to give eventually.
The club spend a ridiculous amount in the transfer market, their ambition is clearly to compete for the big trophies however they're willing to settle for top 4 if they think the manager can take the team to the next level the following season. If Ole scraped top 4 on the last day of the season this year I'm almost certain he'd be gone, they're ready to sack him they just don't have the ideal replacement lined up until the summer and they don't want to pay him off this early into a new contract.
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