Did anyone think Ole could keep winning every game? Obviously being knocked out of the only competition we had a slight chance of winning Hurts, but the expectation to keep the momentum going no matter the state and quality of our squad is unrealistic. Honeymoon is over and I hope we make top 4 at the end of the season.
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I'm not necessarily against Ole being offered the job, but if we were considering Poch, are you suggesting the latter doesn't have a vision for the club and an understanding of what fans expect?
You're ready to label a 17 year old a sick note?So after 2 games all season Greenwood went back to being unavailable again? And people slated me when I just mentioned some shades of Owen Hargreaves there.We surely don't want another case with a sick note/injury all year getting salary like a player who contributes week-in week-out, right?
It's all so pointless in the end. Had he started Fred, and Fred had a bad game, we'd be hearing people say: "I can't understand why he didn't start Herrera. Baffling decision..."
We got outplayed by Wolves, a mid table premier league club.
That will do alot with our players confidence. I really fear for Ole now, if players stops believing in him it's over.
That will do alot with our players confidence. I really fear for Ole now, if players stops believing in him it's over.
Just a bad day yesterday. I think really that Wolves set out to frustrate us and make us impatient and angry and it worked. They bullied some of our players.
Tbh I don't see a huge amount of alternatives. The name we all keep mentioning is Pochettino but even that's no guarantee. Solksjaer's certainly done a lot of really good things and the players seem to love him, which is half the battle.
If we do end up hiring him though, we should avoid the mistakes of the past and give him a short contract - two years would be fine. This could easily go either way and we need to protect ourselves if it goes badly.
If we do end up hiring him though, we should avoid the mistakes of the past and give him a short contract - two years would be fine. This could easily go either way and we need to protect ourselves if it goes badly.
I hope not. Our chances of beating Barcelona are slim, very slim.
Our chance to qualify to the semi finals of the FA cup was a great one.
I'm not "labelling" him as anything. But a 17 year old boy should be healthy and ready to run around most of the time. He got more unavailable days (Injured, being sick, etc...) than he should have at that age. And that concerns me. Phil Jones got slated for the exact same reason: Being unavailable more times than he should.
Yeah this is nonsense, I agree. The idea that OGS somehow 'gets' United and no-one else would.
What is there to understand? That we enjoy attacking football and want to see young players given a chance? Someone can grasp that in two minutes.
If we give OGS the job (and I personally think we should) it should be based on his qualities as a manager, not Some Liverpool-esque romantic crap about United being somehow unique.
If we're being honest, he's caused himself a bit of a 'problem' by setting standards that he was never going to be able to maintain. No one could. We were always going to have a drop off at some point - my own view is that we'll fall short of 4th place with a few iffy results - because, in the main, none of the issues that we've had for the last few years have been solved, only masked by good performances and a lot of players playing out of their skin. The season might end up having a slightly downbeat ending, when the reality is that he's done a fantastic job to even have us in the conversation for top 4.
BUT, I still hope the club are looking at alternatives as manager. I'm not saying I don't want him to be our manager - in fact, I'd likely choose him - but there are plenty of very qualified candidates out there with far better CVs than him and who have shown they have the ability, for example, to manage at an elite level over a long period. I appreciate that people want to rely on this nebulous idea of him 'getting' the club but it would be daft to ignore some of the things we do know about him just because they don't suit us. It's the usual one with caretaker managers. The job they do on an interim basis has to be almost viewed as an entirely separate thing from the full time job. Solskjaer has had the unique advantage of his performance and the mood around him always being compared to Mourinho. But soon he'll be judged on his own merits and he still have a squad of players who have, in some cases, been proven not to be good enough across the tenure of a few managers. It'd be negligent not to go away and speak to other candidates, IMO, albeit I think the job he's done so far should give him plenty of credit when it comes to deciding who gets the job.
BUT, I still hope the club are looking at alternatives as manager. I'm not saying I don't want him to be our manager - in fact, I'd likely choose him - but there are plenty of very qualified candidates out there with far better CVs than him and who have shown they have the ability, for example, to manage at an elite level over a long period. I appreciate that people want to rely on this nebulous idea of him 'getting' the club but it would be daft to ignore some of the things we do know about him just because they don't suit us. It's the usual one with caretaker managers. The job they do on an interim basis has to be almost viewed as an entirely separate thing from the full time job. Solskjaer has had the unique advantage of his performance and the mood around him always being compared to Mourinho. But soon he'll be judged on his own merits and he still have a squad of players who have, in some cases, been proven not to be good enough across the tenure of a few managers. It'd be negligent not to go away and speak to other candidates, IMO, albeit I think the job he's done so far should give him plenty of credit when it comes to deciding who gets the job.
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Sherringham thinks Ole has got the job.
Sherringham thinks Ole has got the job.
Good post, but may I say, it is rather non-committal. Do you think Ole should be given the job or not? Try and answer that question, rather than purely, and quite fairly ok, suggesting the reasons not to appoint him.
Every potential candidate linked with Man Utd Manager post, will have some questions marks against them. But decisions have to be made, because there is a huge amount that needs to be addressed in this squad.
I love the guy, and I do feel that these recent results and aspects of recent performances will really show his talent and aptitude for the role. Note, we started sloppy against Arsenal, but should have won that with the chances we created... and yesterday, we were outplayed. But I do have concerns about the squad, and I worry about whether DDG and Pogs will stay unless we get some real stellar talent in there. They are wanted by everybody. Ole has to get rid of a fair few, buy well, and compete next season.
I had a little worry before the Arsenal game, he was asked about his team, and he said that both Matic and Pogs will come back in the team, and that Pogba returning to the team was a 'no-brainer...'. This was a little red flag for me, because I thought to myself, 'I hope he doesn't see things like that.. that's not what I want out of a United manager. It's a little lazy, and sends the wrong message'. It's ok saying we have good players, but, like some have said on here, we just need to see how he works that whole squad.. maybe just a little more. Remember, both Chelsea and Arsenal went on amazing runs of form this season...
I would give him the job though, because I think he knows what is expected of him, players, and coaching staff at Manchester United Football Club. He has earned the opportunity. But I do think he is ahead of some of the players there, because some are not going to cut it. No way.
I'm no doctor, but I would imagine it's not uncommon for young kids to have injuries as they grow into their bodies, so to speak. Phil Jones has injury for almost a decade - that's why he gets slated (actually I don't like how he gets slated, but I can understand the frustration.)
I think this is a very fair way to look at it. I'd love for OGS to get the job, but there is simply no reason to rush the decision. There are a few months left - let's see how it goes and then go from there. Whether it's Ole or someone else, this squad clearly needs upgrading.
Not sure we have the squad to compete on too many fronts. The only goal we should be focusing on is top four for me....
I mean you can’t simply throw away CL QF don’t be daft.
I think folks are forgetting this is pretty much a trial run, free hit...call it what you will.
When that clueless sh*tehawk left us where he did in 6th place there wasn't a happy supporter in our ranks, regardless whom they blamed. Ole and Mike have given us a miracle since December and any positive we get by the end of May is a bonus.
We gotta remember that Ole is a very young manager, still learning his trade and will of course make mistakes with regards tactics / subs and the like. Main thing for me personally is getting in that top 4. If he gets that I'm perfectly fine with him staying myself and let him have complete autonomy over squad rebuild.
When that clueless sh*tehawk left us where he did in 6th place there wasn't a happy supporter in our ranks, regardless whom they blamed. Ole and Mike have given us a miracle since December and any positive we get by the end of May is a bonus.
We gotta remember that Ole is a very young manager, still learning his trade and will of course make mistakes with regards tactics / subs and the like. Main thing for me personally is getting in that top 4. If he gets that I'm perfectly fine with him staying myself and let him have complete autonomy over squad rebuild.
I am genuinely ambivalent.
With my heart yes, I'd like to see him get the job and do well. But I guess the question is do I think Man united with all their power, and resources could find a better more experienced, and talanted manager?
I think they probably could, but again that too would be a gamble, with no guarantee it will pay off. The recruitment has after all, been pretty abysmal!
Pochettino, Zidane and many other big names don't convince me, any more than Jose did at the time tbh.
Pochettino would just be another appointment by media, and Zidane well, he's one of those guys whose done well, but has he really built anything himself? Brian Clough and Fergie, impress/ed me, because they built teams from scratch, and so maybe with a guy like Ole you'll get that same hunger to succeed.
United more than anything need a team, and team spirit, and I think with Ole you have a much better chance of getting that, than with the others, but I am interested to see where the team goes from here, and if now under pressure, (losing) the team, and players like Pogba in particular, are reverting back to how they were playing under Jose. Does Ole have enough authority, and respect to control a player like Pogba, or will his inexperience at the top level make him more at risk of losing the dressing room like Moyes (over chips apparently in his case!)?
Really, there is simply no way of knowing how good a manager Ole actually is. It's just too early to say, as that winning streak could have been down to his genius, but equally it could be down to any number of things.
Personally, I would certainly wait, and see if he gets united into the CL, and how things go in Europe and the rest of the season. Most important thing of all is can he get them playing as a team. That is more important than all the big name stars in the world, as wolves so clearly demonstrated.
But it's still going to be a bit of a gamble IMO.
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So why should he get to make them while managing Man Utd...?
If that's the level he's at, why can't he go and learn those things at a suitable club while we employ an actual Elite manager?
Ole will always want to manage Utd, it's an honour for him, obviously. But Utd should always, always employ the absolute best that they can in every position, including (and I'd argue, most importantly) the manager.
From the hiring of Moyes, I really don't understand this bizarre logic within our fanbase of letting managers 'learn on the job'. Man Utd isn't the place for that, it won't ever work out.
If a manager isn't ready to handle Utd, and the extremely high level of expectation that rightly comes with it, let them develop elsewhere while we employ the best.
But Ole’s the only one who seems ready to handle Utd after SAF, while the best wasn’t even close to do it.
At this point all I want is Ole to know how he wants to play and build accordingly.
Whether it’s the diamond or 4-3-3 or both as a solid plan a and plan b.
The last thing we need is him chopping and changing the next eighteen months trying to find a magic formula, and shoehorning our better players in.
Whether it’s the diamond or 4-3-3 or both as a solid plan a and plan b.
The last thing we need is him chopping and changing the next eighteen months trying to find a magic formula, and shoehorning our better players in.
The 'best' being a past it LvG and Mourinho...? And now Ole, of Molde and Cardiff is the 'only one' who can handle Utd?
No. I'm not having that.
To normalize the ridiculous managerial appointments made by the Glazers is doing Utd a disservice. They have made abnormally bad appointments at every juncture, to the level where the fanbase is so starved of the bare minimum that a club of Utd's size deserves that any kind of joy is greeted with delusional romanticizing and idealizing.
Ironically, as Ole has proven, there are many managers out there who could do a decent job at Utd if given the chance. And I'd imagine at least some of them are better coaches that OGS.
I love and hate his post match conference/interviews.
Love that he said it as it is without sugarcoating it nor making excuses eg. lack of urgency, Wolves deserved to win, etc etc.
Hate that he just gloss over this with statement like "well that's football, it's happen" (United team that play this way is normal eyh) nor acknowledging he and his coaches didn't do the right things which they either fail or delayed.
Hope they (Ole and co) learn from this but this 2 back to back matches is disappointing. It reminds me of LVG's philosophy and Mou's denial "my tactics is fine, nothing wrong with it, flawless, my players are the problem." in the specific sense not seeing any faults in their tactics nor players selections. Thing is, Ole's previous many games especially the earliest games, he and his 3 assistants are very lively and always make proactive tactical adjustments and encouraging players on the sidelines, even changes things around in the early first half, go back to that please.
Love that he said it as it is without sugarcoating it nor making excuses eg. lack of urgency, Wolves deserved to win, etc etc.
Hate that he just gloss over this with statement like "well that's football, it's happen" (United team that play this way is normal eyh) nor acknowledging he and his coaches didn't do the right things which they either fail or delayed.
- fail to motivate the players to have more urgency (maybe our coaches tried, are our players really that ego thick headed, geez).
- no immediate/proactive tactical adjustments, plenty of things just not working (they only did it with subs after Wolves scored, what happened to half time team talk, fts zero tactical changes).
- player start selection, ignoring match fitness + sharpness, gamble fail on experiences for midfield (thought the 4 returnees trained so well looking sharp, but I say performances in game showed they don't).
Hope they (Ole and co) learn from this but this 2 back to back matches is disappointing. It reminds me of LVG's philosophy and Mou's denial "my tactics is fine, nothing wrong with it, flawless, my players are the problem." in the specific sense not seeing any faults in their tactics nor players selections. Thing is, Ole's previous many games especially the earliest games, he and his 3 assistants are very lively and always make proactive tactical adjustments and encouraging players on the sidelines, even changes things around in the early first half, go back to that please.
It would be unusual for a manager to come out and say yeah I’m shit, in a post-match interview.
It’s easy to say LVG and Mourinho is past it now, but most people didn’t think so at the time either of them joined us.
I’m not saying he’s the only one, but he’s doing pretty well imo, and as of now I don’t see a better available candidate.
Pochettino has been at Spurs at what, 5 seasons? And the only thing he won is one league cup, hardly a winner to me.
Who would you want managing us?
You seriously think Ferguson was perfect immediately at United? He made his mistakes and had to learn his way through error at United as well. Took him 4 years to win a trophy and 6 for a league, how quickly some forget.
He had to adapt and learn his trade with regards European football too, we often got played off the park in those early years of the Champions League, I recall Barca absolutely thumping us 4-0 in 93-94.
He was certainly further along in his career of course than Ole currently is and still he was nowhere near the level you are expecting.
Regardless of who we played, Ole in his first league games won 10 drew 2 and lost 1. Correct me if i am wrong, but that is the best start of any premier league manager ever? Would Zidane have done the same? Jadrin, Conte, Simione? We will never know. Your point on honeymoon is over is bang on and i am glad it is over. The players have everything to prove, Ole has already proved his worth. Tactically he has gone great, opportunities to the youth, press talks, style of play. All this without a pre season or any signings. Pep's first year was hot and cold, Klopp in his first 8 months didnt get champions league football. Ole has every chance to build something great but along the way will be barriers such as the last two defeats. He is probably more hurt than any of the players with them two defeats. I do not think we should offer him the job now but it is clear to me he is leading the running and has demonstrated himself to be a serious candidate.
I completely agree with you. I was not taking a dig on Ole. It just to be expected that his near perfect run would end sooner or later. Zidane took over one of the best squads in the World. Conte took over a team of champions at Chelsea. Our squad is not rubbish, but we've been in the wilderness for 6 years and we don't have team of champions or serial Winners. I also want Ole to become our permanent manager. The fans love him, the players love him and he's still done an incredible job so despite our recent dissapointments.
If we are able to bring in the right players to take us to the NeXT level i'll be exicited, but most our transfer Windows post-saf have been dreadfull. I'm not really confident that the NeXT one will be a succes and there is a ton of competetion for the best players.
Regardless of what happens from now till end of the season he deserves the shot obviously. Next season, for me the acid test would be if he is able to improve the fitness of United players. For too long this bunch has gone by without exerting themselves to the fullest and getting satisfied with too little too soon and then start believing that wins will come in automatically.
That was the big mistake in the last two games, obviously some of them weren't available last week but I am sure you get the point
I really wish our board would back him to the tune of around £250m then maybe we will see some improvement in our overall performances, we seem to only really play well in patches but maybe that is just my opinion
It says something about how bad we've been lately under Mourinho and co that when I watched us Saturday I didn't think we were completely awful, which shows just how dire we've been lately. I was watching it with a Liverpool supporter and even he said hes seen us play far worse.
I thought Wolves looked very good, certainly not like a newly promoted side. However was this because we were so bad they were made to look better than they were? Pogba definitely had one of his infuriating games where he completely went missing.
Also Wolves seem to turn up against the big clubs, they've taken points off a lot of the top teams in the league this season and had they performed better against the smaller clubs could be looking at a Europa place. Let's hope they get to the final as they are the only team left who could beat City.
What concerned me about the starting line up was how many players we had that wer just returning from injury feels a bit like we rushed them back however I'm no fitness expert but did that perhaps not help?
I think the international break, which I hate at the best of times as it usually results in injuries, has actually come at a bad time for us, I'd rather be going into it off the back of a draw or win having halted the "slump." However we now lose several players including Rashford who I'm not convinced is fully fit after the Liverpool game and others so Ole cant work with the players.
I don't know enough about tactics to say Ole is bad tactically but the things that I'm thinking at the moment are:
1- can Ole get the players straight back and fired up in our next game and get us back at the least drawing, preferably winning and halting the slump? It could start to get a bit tense if we lose again.
2- if we can't get Pochettino should we not choose Ole who else is available that would be good enough?
3- Is Ole potentially going to be a good/ very good manager but not world class which is what you need 99% of the time to be winning the league? Could he if given a year or so build a squad and become world class or will he always fall just short? However who is available that is a truly world class manager?
4- signings- perhaps this run of form is a blessing in disguise as its showing the squad isnt good enough- several people raised the concerns on previous threads Ole was almost doing too well with the squad potentially making the owners think we don't need summer signings. However we are not Ole- if he doesn't think we need signings I would be very concerned about his appointment given a large majority of the fan base can see we do. Unfortunately we probably wont get his thoughts on this matter. Also who does he want to keep or sign. Again not something we would be privvy to.
5- would Ole go back to the style he played when he first joined if he were to have pre season/ the players suitable for this? If so I'd be happy to see this.
I must say I'm glad he didn't come out and try to "sugar coat" the result Saturday by saying we played well or anything like Moyes was prone to doing it's just is he able to fix that or is he perhaps reaching a ceiling. One thing to note is all the players seem pro Ole however itll be interesting to see if they still are if the less favourable results continue.
I thought Wolves looked very good, certainly not like a newly promoted side. However was this because we were so bad they were made to look better than they were? Pogba definitely had one of his infuriating games where he completely went missing.
Also Wolves seem to turn up against the big clubs, they've taken points off a lot of the top teams in the league this season and had they performed better against the smaller clubs could be looking at a Europa place. Let's hope they get to the final as they are the only team left who could beat City.
What concerned me about the starting line up was how many players we had that wer just returning from injury feels a bit like we rushed them back however I'm no fitness expert but did that perhaps not help?
I think the international break, which I hate at the best of times as it usually results in injuries, has actually come at a bad time for us, I'd rather be going into it off the back of a draw or win having halted the "slump." However we now lose several players including Rashford who I'm not convinced is fully fit after the Liverpool game and others so Ole cant work with the players.
I don't know enough about tactics to say Ole is bad tactically but the things that I'm thinking at the moment are:
1- can Ole get the players straight back and fired up in our next game and get us back at the least drawing, preferably winning and halting the slump? It could start to get a bit tense if we lose again.
2- if we can't get Pochettino should we not choose Ole who else is available that would be good enough?
3- Is Ole potentially going to be a good/ very good manager but not world class which is what you need 99% of the time to be winning the league? Could he if given a year or so build a squad and become world class or will he always fall just short? However who is available that is a truly world class manager?
4- signings- perhaps this run of form is a blessing in disguise as its showing the squad isnt good enough- several people raised the concerns on previous threads Ole was almost doing too well with the squad potentially making the owners think we don't need summer signings. However we are not Ole- if he doesn't think we need signings I would be very concerned about his appointment given a large majority of the fan base can see we do. Unfortunately we probably wont get his thoughts on this matter. Also who does he want to keep or sign. Again not something we would be privvy to.
5- would Ole go back to the style he played when he first joined if he were to have pre season/ the players suitable for this? If so I'd be happy to see this.
I must say I'm glad he didn't come out and try to "sugar coat" the result Saturday by saying we played well or anything like Moyes was prone to doing it's just is he able to fix that or is he perhaps reaching a ceiling. One thing to note is all the players seem pro Ole however itll be interesting to see if they still are if the less favourable results continue.
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The biggest mistake was starting that tractor Matic, feel sorry for McT what did he do wrong against PSG, Palace & Southampton to get benched?!?
I'm fully behind our baby faced assassin.
He has completely turned this club around in terms of mood and results albeit with a blip which is not at all surprising. We were completely dire with Mourinho and he was picking fights with everyone, turning our club into a joke. That is all gone in the space of barely a few months. It's easy to "monday morning quarterback" when we lose but guess what, the players need to be looked at as well. We are not a complete unit yet and i don't think anyone thinks we are. Need to make a few defensive signing and a right winger and then see what Ole can do next year.
He has completely turned this club around in terms of mood and results albeit with a blip which is not at all surprising. We were completely dire with Mourinho and he was picking fights with everyone, turning our club into a joke. That is all gone in the space of barely a few months. It's easy to "monday morning quarterback" when we lose but guess what, the players need to be looked at as well. We are not a complete unit yet and i don't think anyone thinks we are. Need to make a few defensive signing and a right winger and then see what Ole can do next year.
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I know he is desperate to impress and get the job but he shouldn't be rushing players back from injury. It was lingard and now Martial seems to be out. He had no business playing that much against wolves.
Yeah, it's all over. There's no hope. Someone call the suicide watch hotline...
Good grief. Wolves are a good team that has shown throughout the season they can beat anyone and anybody at any given time. They have as much right to win games -- and even win titles -- as your team (which is not my team).
United has recently been punching above their weight because they finally rid themselves of a psychologically abusive/oppressive manager who, just a couple of years ago, United fans were actually clamoring for, believing, as all Manchester United fans do, that their club has a God-given right to forever get the big trophies. But, like Sunderland, Rovers, and Leeds, all dynasties come to an end.
I like Ole, but I see United fans turning on him in a heartbeat next season (assuming he stays) once a losing streak begins.
Martial wasn't rushed back. He was training since before the Arsenal game.