Yes, it seems that the fans in here forgot the dark period between August and mid-December
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer | W15 D2 L4
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Bit worried the whole coaching staff seem to have lost a bit of intensity or look tired themselves now? Lots of shots on TV all of them sat down just watching on. Hope these recent defeats don’t affect the decision to give ole etc the job as believe he’s the right man but team as well as staff all seem a bit shattered to me right now.
They will try to cling to anything to put criticism on players/managers they dislike or don’t believe in. I feel like ever since Fergie left those people have starting crawling out.
Just what exactly do you want them do to? Do you think behaving like Klopp will make the team actually perform better? You do realise that once the players have been sent out on to the pitch there isn't an awful lot a manager can do right?
And yet we beat PSG, away, 1-3 without Pogba, Martial or Lingard even in the squad...
Cmon, the excuses are crazy after last night.
If Ole deserves credit for PSG, for beating Chelsea and Arse - then he deserves criticism for the current form.
He is quite clearly a really good man manager, but he isn't an experienced or cultured tactician, he is naive with that stuff.
It's not fair to say 'he had no options' last night, as so many are doing in here now - he could (and should) have played Fred or Scott, he could (and should) have had an answer for 3 at the back against Wolves. And he didn't.
I love the guy, but he isn't an Elite level manager. He's been at Cardiff, and failed, and at Molde and done well. And he probably isn't the actual best manager that United can appoint. That's the reality.
But saying that, he might learn quickly on the job - if so, he'll turn this form (both results and performances) around.
Difficult away game in the cup. Don’t think the team was set up right. I think we need to be realistic this season. The team shape and line up is changing on a weekly basis due to injuries.
I think he wants to play 4–3-3 with wingers. That’s what I want to see and I’m sure a lot of fans want to as well. Since Fergie retired we havent had a manager do it.
The football I have seen of United since he has come in is what I want to see as well. We just need some first team player improvements at CB and RW. And likely need an experienced RB.
I think he wants to play 4–3-3 with wingers. That’s what I want to see and I’m sure a lot of fans want to as well. Since Fergie retired we havent had a manager do it.
The football I have seen of United since he has come in is what I want to see as well. We just need some first team player improvements at CB and RW. And likely need an experienced RB.
He's a victim of his own success where it has got to the the point where most were expecting a comfortable victory in a very difficult away game which was unrealistic.
He's done far better than expected but the holes in the squad remain. Eventually you're only as good as the players at your disposal, even Guardiola has had to buy most of the squad that is dominating now.
He's done far better than expected but the holes in the squad remain. Eventually you're only as good as the players at your disposal, even Guardiola has had to buy most of the squad that is dominating now.
Agree.
Also fitness is an issue, Ole has said plenty he wants the intensity in play / pressing etc to be high, but we really have not trained as a team to sustain this level of intensity. I think that is also having an effect on our play.
While I agree with these points, I don't think we should make a call on his appointment yet. But him failing at pretty much all critical matches is very concerning. Yes agree, we had lot of injuries and so probably not a best way to judge him. that's the reason why we should wait until end of the season.
Put this way - if we dont make top 4, i will rethink about supporting him for a full time job.
If we make it, then give him the contract.
Well waiting untill we conceded in the 70th minute to make a change is doing something wrong
We peaked in Paris. That night was exactly what the atmosphere around the club had been building up to since December when Ole took charge.
So, afterwards, it's only natural that we were going to have a dip in form for a couple of games.
Nothing to worry about guys, we'll still get top 4 and have a decent chance of getting past Barcelona.
So, afterwards, it's only natural that we were going to have a dip in form for a couple of games.
Nothing to worry about guys, we'll still get top 4 and have a decent chance of getting past Barcelona.
It is. Give him a full pre season with some quality additions to the first XI and see how we go. Even then it's unrealistic to expect to be challenging City and Liverpool by next season, whoever is in charge.
The fact that I'm angry at the recent losses says a lot tbf, Oles made me care again, in such a short time too...
Ole has made us mint on counters but a minor concern is I'm still yet to discern what the "Ole way" is when we have the ball against a parked bus. Harder to know because the personnel also have some major technical deficiencies in areas of the pitch. For example in games when we can't get the ball forward because our CMs and CBs keep going back to the keeper everytime they are closed down, how much of it is down to poor patterns of play and how much is down to their general shiteness on the ball and lack of on the ball ability? We certainly need better footballers in a few more positions.
Can someone explain why they think Solskjær is a naive or not very good tactician? Sounds like a load of bollocks to me but enough people play FIFA/Football Manager these days to consider themselves experts.
apparently we have numerous better tacticians on here.
Also if we wait another two months we are going to get the Super manager who will have us winning every match playing attacking football.
Also if we wait another two months we are going to get the Super manager who will have us winning every match playing attacking football.
Because he got relegated with Cardiff so every time he loses a game he's tactically outsmarted by the opposition manager.
Its clear Ole is thinking of the Barcelona match giving game time to players coming back from injury.
All those excuses....
Our best chance for trophy. We lost against fecking Wolves. Outplayed, without decent chance, without desire.
I don't care is Fergie, Ole or Mourinho on the bench. This is on manager.
Our best chance for trophy. We lost against fecking Wolves. Outplayed, without decent chance, without desire.
I don't care is Fergie, Ole or Mourinho on the bench. This is on manager.
So true!
I would be seriously looking at the Pochettino situation if I was the board, he's virtually been shouting 'get me out of here, we're going nowhere' - so many problems, its hard to see how Spurs can progress with the financial straightjacket of new stadium debt, no transfers and a strict wage structure with potentially star players leaving. He's hinted they can't really compete on a level playing field for another five to ten years well past some of the current squad's sell by date. He's proven himself at Southampton and now by putting Spurs amongst the very elite group of premier league clubs when they have no real right to be anywhere near.
Don't know if he's the right man for the job, or not really. Think it's going to be a bit of a gamble.
I think people really want him to be the right guy, and not just for the sake of the team, but for the man himself. But nobody really knows what goes on behind the scenes or how good of a manager he really is, despite desperately wanting him to be one.
I do wonder though if he'd be better off without it.
Managers who go into top level football, without already having attained top level success (Moyes for example who suffered horrendous abuse) face twice the pressure, and scrutiny, and will have to succeed in a fraction of the time. Unless his reign is a succession of uninterrupted triumphs, I just don't think Man Utd fans, or the media, or the players themselves will have the patience to give Solskjær a proper chance.
I don't think it's going to be a very fair situation for him to be in, to be honest.
Because once Man Utd stop winning games, and start playing badly, then as is already happening, they will all begin looking around for someone to blame. Without top level credentials to fall back on, it could all unravel pretty rapidly I suspect.
I do also agree with others that the winning streak was a little lucky, and although on paper, and points wise, it was championship winning form, this isn't a champion winning team. I may be proved wrong, but I don't think so. It needs a lot of work, and the board will need to trust, and back him.
The truth is, that nobody really has a clue what goes on behind the scenes, and to declare him a great, or not so great manager at this stage, would just be guessing. I honestly don't have a clue.
It's really all about how he responds now, but one things for sure, he is already on borrowed time...
I think people really want him to be the right guy, and not just for the sake of the team, but for the man himself. But nobody really knows what goes on behind the scenes or how good of a manager he really is, despite desperately wanting him to be one.
I do wonder though if he'd be better off without it.
Managers who go into top level football, without already having attained top level success (Moyes for example who suffered horrendous abuse) face twice the pressure, and scrutiny, and will have to succeed in a fraction of the time. Unless his reign is a succession of uninterrupted triumphs, I just don't think Man Utd fans, or the media, or the players themselves will have the patience to give Solskjær a proper chance.
I don't think it's going to be a very fair situation for him to be in, to be honest.
Because once Man Utd stop winning games, and start playing badly, then as is already happening, they will all begin looking around for someone to blame. Without top level credentials to fall back on, it could all unravel pretty rapidly I suspect.
I do also agree with others that the winning streak was a little lucky, and although on paper, and points wise, it was championship winning form, this isn't a champion winning team. I may be proved wrong, but I don't think so. It needs a lot of work, and the board will need to trust, and back him.
The truth is, that nobody really has a clue what goes on behind the scenes, and to declare him a great, or not so great manager at this stage, would just be guessing. I honestly don't have a clue.
It's really all about how he responds now, but one things for sure, he is already on borrowed time...
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I can totally agree with the board holding fire on appointing Ole full time, yes last game was disappointing but for me he's still favourite.
Going ahead and appointing him now would be foolish. We've seen a million times when a manager gets a new contract because they've been on a run of good results and everyone is feeling all warm and fuzzy. The United board know this time they have to get the appointment absolutely right, so they should rightly take their time. There is no point appointing someone now when they always have the option to do it at the end of the season.
For me, the big question is can Ole take this club forward? He knows the club well and the identity of the 'United way', so ticks a lot of boxes. Can he build a team though? Will the wheels come off after a number of months? The last thing we need is a Marco Silva type. Only time will tell though.
Going ahead and appointing him now would be foolish. We've seen a million times when a manager gets a new contract because they've been on a run of good results and everyone is feeling all warm and fuzzy. The United board know this time they have to get the appointment absolutely right, so they should rightly take their time. There is no point appointing someone now when they always have the option to do it at the end of the season.
For me, the big question is can Ole take this club forward? He knows the club well and the identity of the 'United way', so ticks a lot of boxes. Can he build a team though? Will the wheels come off after a number of months? The last thing we need is a Marco Silva type. Only time will tell though.
He rushed back too many returning players into the line up.
Personally I'd have gone with Pogba at the top of the diamond with Rash and Martial upfront. A midfield 3 of Mctominay, Pereira and Herrera.
Personally I'd have gone with Pogba at the top of the diamond with Rash and Martial upfront. A midfield 3 of Mctominay, Pereira and Herrera.
The caf needs a proper clearout of some idiots/wums. Ole has proven he's the man for the job and I think he knows exactly what to do with the squad in the summer and a pre season under him will be great. He's a forward thinking manager and he gets united and I fully believe he'll bring us success.
Ah! Makes complete sense now. How could he possibly have any idea what he's doing after getting relegated? Only losers get relegated.
Solution.
Lets get permanent Bottler Pooch ...and sell Pogba.
Everything will be right as rain.
Lets get permanent Bottler Pooch ...and sell Pogba.
Everything will be right as rain.
100%. I'm starting to think I'll sit this place out until we appoint him permanent. So many FIFA/Football Managers in here stacking shelves in the real world that know how to manage a team better than most PL managers.
We need to back our manager whoever it is appointed by Directors (SAF and David G are one of them)
These times we easily forgot years of transition under SAF. When Beckham or Ronaldo leaves. When Chelsea and City start spending lot of money.
People made mistakes and decision that'll regret. Players or Ole himself. Even if we didn't get top 4 in the end is not depends fully on Ole. Even we won 90% of the available points we still need our rivals to drop points. Even when we won against Wolves, we still need to face City in the Final. Even We managed against Barca Theres Liverpool or Ronaldo awaits.
It's not excuses, it's reality checks that even SAF took years to change the habit and instill the philosophy during his early years. Don't forget SAF job saved by one goal.
Do any of you really think Pochettino have those mentality required to face these squaeky bum time? It's not only about squad depth, tactics.
Ole need time. Even we won trophy or end up top4 it's still a miracle and I'll personally think Ole learnt his trade not only from SAF, might be Dumbledore if not Voldemort.
Another point is, if Ole will be here next season, he'll give a shot to youngsters.
Note : I really think we should try to adapt 3-5-2. Saw and Dalot will excel being WB.
These times we easily forgot years of transition under SAF. When Beckham or Ronaldo leaves. When Chelsea and City start spending lot of money.
People made mistakes and decision that'll regret. Players or Ole himself. Even if we didn't get top 4 in the end is not depends fully on Ole. Even we won 90% of the available points we still need our rivals to drop points. Even when we won against Wolves, we still need to face City in the Final. Even We managed against Barca Theres Liverpool or Ronaldo awaits.
It's not excuses, it's reality checks that even SAF took years to change the habit and instill the philosophy during his early years. Don't forget SAF job saved by one goal.
Do any of you really think Pochettino have those mentality required to face these squaeky bum time? It's not only about squad depth, tactics.
Ole need time. Even we won trophy or end up top4 it's still a miracle and I'll personally think Ole learnt his trade not only from SAF, might be Dumbledore if not Voldemort.
Another point is, if Ole will be here next season, he'll give a shot to youngsters.
Note : I really think we should try to adapt 3-5-2. Saw and Dalot will excel being WB.
But we've already done so much as a team under Ole despite how the next ten matches might go.
We've got results against every big side we've played, and have only really had two disappointing results in which we played okay in one.
Our attack hasn't been mostly disjointed, it hasn't been as good since Lingard, Martial and Rashford all got knocks at the same time but obviously that will affect it.
I just don't see what can happen in the next ten matches to sway people either way; because to me they're fairly insignificant bar the matches against Barcelona.
What's important when deciding if Ole should get the job or not is being able to assess what he's done on the whole (which is really good) and what his plan would be for the upcoming season, not if we can get wins against the likes of Watford and Wolves in the league.
I think these 10 next or so games are as important as the first 10 which basically won Ole a job IMO. If we needed to offer someone a job now I would give it to Ole of course but we shouldn't get carried away and wait until the season ends. There are still a lot of question marks especially his in game management, for example I feel he makes changes (subs) way too late. He can and probably will improve of course but people shouldn't be so defensive when someone expresses concerns about Ole. It was a very good start to his United reign but as I said we shouldn't get carried away and make premature decisions.
I'd pair John Kramer with Dalot.
Best post in here by some way for a while.
Balanced, realistic, not deluded and most importantly - thinking more about what's best for the club rather than what's best for a personality that you love.
Makes subs too late isn't something that's the difference between getting the job or not.
It wouldn't be getting carried away to appoint Ole right now, he's done really, really well since he's come in.
We look a completely different prospect, and the improvements on and off the pitch are there for all to see.
It wouldn't be premature to appoint a manager who has been with us longer than many 'permanent' managers last anyway.
The idea that giving a guy a job whose beaten the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham, PSG etc whilst also mostly brushing aside the lesser sides is 'getting carried away' is... Well, odd.
McTominay did enough whenever he got the chance to show that he has to take over from Matic.
OGS did a huge mistake starting 4 players coming back from Injury in the same match, away to a good side.
Stuff like that works in football manager, not in real life. Particularly if we’re talking about inconsistent players like Martial and Lingard.
Rookie mistake that.
OGS did a huge mistake starting 4 players coming back from Injury in the same match, away to a good side.
Stuff like that works in football manager, not in real life. Particularly if we’re talking about inconsistent players like Martial and Lingard.
Rookie mistake that.
Ok, you have your opinion I have mine and I stick to it even though I know people having slight concerns about Ole are not very popular here.
True. It's a major defect in the team's make-up that our midfield just doesn't have anyone who is creative with the ball. Also not helped when the forwards just stand around. There is nowhere near enough movement by the forwards making themselves available for passes. Doesn't help that there's no natural leader in the squad, either.
Watch City's or Liverpool'e forwards, they're always on the move. We're just too static when in possession.
Bad day at the office.
the reason ole should stay above all others is his vision for United matches with what the fans want. I know from his comments after the defeats that he's very aware our football is not at the required standards yet and I feel confident in the direction he wants to take us. he's already spoken about need to target longterm signings and players with a United personality which he will obviously know very well.
. he must get the pre season, build our fitness and buy 3/4 players and judge again next season. how can we judge him with another managers squad? we had real injury crisis because the level of fitness that our new style of play was demanding is very high . this has caught up with the squad in recent matches. he's shown enough to be given that opportunity imo regardless of if we finish top 4 or not, win CL or not.
. he must get the pre season, build our fitness and buy 3/4 players and judge again next season. how can we judge him with another managers squad? we had real injury crisis because the level of fitness that our new style of play was demanding is very high . this has caught up with the squad in recent matches. he's shown enough to be given that opportunity imo regardless of if we finish top 4 or not, win CL or not.