I find it incredible and extremely distasteful that already there are supposed fans turning on Ole; a blip was always on the cards with the injury problems we have but its not as if we've been playing total crap. For gods sake give the guy a chance!
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Just forget them. Its bad ”fans”. Some people expect us to win every match. Thats not going to happen. Every manager is going to have shit games.
A theme that everyone is aware of but we often overlook
I know there's no way to measure it but we must be collectively one of the least fit teams int he PL, we always seem gassed late game and the high intensity teams always cause problems.
They have bad games of course, but people also have the right to critizise the manager. If someone would call for his head right now it would be stupid. He deserves to stay though even if I can understand some people wanting someone with more experience.
Big games to come and a big test. We need to be fully up for the Barca game and also tactically ready to stand a chance. You can create chances against them, but you need to defend bloody good to stop Messi. Stop the service and space is the best way to do it.
Anyway, can just anyone pick anyone who available at the summer and can do better? With proof.
Pochettino maybe got attractive tactical approach. But from what I seen especially this season. He's just gonna be another Wenger. Attractive football, but average motivational or man management skill. Or maybe tactic above anything. Obviously not.
Pochettino maybe got attractive tactical approach. But from what I seen especially this season. He's just gonna be another Wenger. Attractive football, but average motivational or man management skill. Or maybe tactic above anything. Obviously not.
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With the way some fans are reacting maybe the best model is a pool of pay-as-they-manage managers. Like if Manager A doesn’t win two in a row, we switch to Manager B (maybe selected through a vote! By fans!) and Manager B will be at the wheel until he fails to win two games and the next Manager is placed in charge. Maybe that’s what the game-by-game analysis kneejerk fans deserve.
Never too long, 3 years rolling is a ceiling. No more Moyes contract. Beside, if Ole can really deliver and achieve greatness you need to renew contract and raise his wages anyway.
I made this very point on a MUTV phone in tonight and unsurprisingly neither Paddy or Maysie thought I was right
Yeah but players still don't usually play more that 60-70 minutes in that situation
If its a big injury maybe. Its not a given every time.
The great thing about ole is that he's showing flexibility in his management style and learning from his mistakes, which is much more than what we could say of earlier managers and for that alone he deserves time.
Although, if the club wants to wait till the end of the season especially given the super intense April that we have, that is perfectly understandable too.
Although, if the club wants to wait till the end of the season especially given the super intense April that we have, that is perfectly understandable too.
And it is not just a United thing. It is the very nature of modern football. It used to shock me but now, I have made peace with the fickle nature of the modern fan.
I find it so strange when I read the knee jerk comments from fans after a poor result. Suddenly Ole is tactically poor and not the man for the job... back on the Poch wagon we go. As if other managers are not having poor results themselves. Pochettino is four league matches without a win... three losses and a draw. The only reason it isn't four league losses on the bounce is because Arsenal missed a last minute penalty to let them off the hook.
It's this whole 'grass is greener' attitude. These fans seem oblivious to the fact that other teams have poor results, poor performances... their strikers miss chances too. Not every single top player puts in an 8/10 performance every match. These unrealistic expectations are so irrational.
It's this whole 'grass is greener' attitude. These fans seem oblivious to the fact that other teams have poor results, poor performances... their strikers miss chances too. Not every single top player puts in an 8/10 performance every match. These unrealistic expectations are so irrational.
I think its just an excuse to avoid international duty, I think he'll be fine by the time PL rolls back around.
Well said.
This forum would have been a cesspool of moaners had Ole not come in and turned the season around. The fact he reignited our season is enough to give him a massively wide berth. We were the better team against Chelsea. The team had an off day against Wolves. Happens, get over it!
I wish Rashford would do the same.
Ole will never be disliked by United fans.
If a time comes when he's not progressing the team as a manager he will leave quietly with some made up reason from both the club and Ole.
If a time comes when he's not progressing the team as a manager he will leave quietly with some made up reason from both the club and Ole.
Bloody hell, Reading some of the comments here. 
You'd think going to wolves was easy as shown by other top teams in the prem. Spurs got destroyed by wolves at their own ground and wolves aren't even that good away from home but its ok since other managers don't need to win every game unlike ours.
You'd think going to wolves was easy as shown by other top teams in the prem. Spurs got destroyed by wolves at their own ground and wolves aren't even that good away from home but its ok since other managers don't need to win every game unlike ours.
There's been massive over-reactions/knee-jerks, but honestly that performance against Wolves was worrying, anymore performances like that and top 4/CL Semi's are done, there's no room for mistakes and this stage of the season. I hope Ole gives them a fecking hot hair dryer because that match was just appalling from the whole team and they need to have a good look at themselves and wake the hell up! that was like a Jose team all over again. Are they still high off Paris? Are they below par because of recent injury returns? Were they over confident and thought it would be easy? Whatever it is, it has to be dealt with ASAP
Yep, that’s the thing with Ole. He’s got dignity and integrity. If it’s time to step down he will make that decision quietly and at the right time.
Anyone can lose a game. Oles created a good attitude but we need a strong summer. Hopefully we bounce back next game in style.
We're not in the semis...
I find our lack of DoF more worrying than the manager situation.
Unless Ole has a support structure that can aid him in transfers, he will be up against it in a broken system.
Unless Ole has a support structure that can aid him in transfers, he will be up against it in a broken system.
But we can potentially be there, anymore silly mistakes and we certainly wont be..
So you reckon that the only reason we might not progress against a much better team is if we make silly mistakes?
Just the fact that people are blurting our stuff like that shows how far Ole’s taken us in three months with a squad that even Mourinho, after two and a half years, claimed wasn’t his.
I think half the fans on here don't actually watch other football or the premier league outside of United. They see the other teams once or twice a year and inspect them to get rolled over 6-0 every match. Things have changed. Wolves are no mugs and have given all the top teams tight games, anybody expecting to go to molineux and spank them are deluded.Bloody hell, Reading some of the comments here.
You'd think going to wolves was easy as shown by other top teams in the prem. Spurs got destroyed by wolves at their own ground and wolves aren't even that good away from home but its ok since other managers don't need to win every game unlike ours.
I would still give it Ole, other than the Wolves game things have been great.
Even SAF had bad results/performances.
Even SAF had bad results/performances.
No of course not, Messi could come and score a hattrick at OT without us doing anything particularly wrong, but anything resembling another Wolves performance even once more, and we are done for the season, Barca will kill us over any mistake, you can safely assume that. There's no margin for error now, at all!
Bloody hell, Reading some of the comments here.
You'd think going to wolves was easy as shown by other top teams in the prem. Spurs got destroyed by wolves at their own ground and wolves aren't even that good away from home but its ok since other managers don't need to win every game unlike ours.
Yeah, it is crazy. We weren't great at all but Wolves are in a great place right now and thoroughly deserve it. Their fans must be loving it right now.
That may be true, but Ole did not put us in that position.
Love Ole, would love if he eventually proves himself & gets the job. With that said, he needs to be very careful in making players not believe in him. He came in and talked about players stepping up, how to be a supersub, etc. and when the time comes for him to trust the players who helped him and stepped up for him, he still went for those "favourites" who had just returned from injury.
Even though there is logic in the choice, the risk of making the players feel like he was being dishonest is high. This imo is the one mistake he should not make. He should keep everyone hungry by doing what he's been doing (albeit forced by injury) which is giving rotational/ fringe/ youth players proper rewards for their effort. Once he starts using favourites, his greatest strength, extracting 110% from everyone, will be gone.
If he continues the way he did against Wolves, the favourites may end up complacent and the fringes disinterested. Really hope that doesn't happen.
Even though there is logic in the choice, the risk of making the players feel like he was being dishonest is high. This imo is the one mistake he should not make. He should keep everyone hungry by doing what he's been doing (albeit forced by injury) which is giving rotational/ fringe/ youth players proper rewards for their effort. Once he starts using favourites, his greatest strength, extracting 110% from everyone, will be gone.
If he continues the way he did against Wolves, the favourites may end up complacent and the fringes disinterested. Really hope that doesn't happen.
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We could also potentially win the league...
I think people need to just realise our level, we're not an elite team at the moment. Wolves are a v good team at home and we, being one of the least fit sides in the league, really struggle against teams that press and play possession football. We are flying above our actual level IMO and we shouldn't be surprised if we drop the odd point away from home in particular - even more so when the top 4 is absolute priority in my eyes.
Let's not burden Ole with silly expectations - he's lost one game vs PSG, Arsenal away and Wolves away and won the other 14 + 2 draws. So far it's miraculous stuff. By the end of the season, let's see if our momentum has slowed, if we get top 4 and where things stand.
Quite the contrary, Ole put us in a position that there is margin for success! Our season was written off, and we weren't even going to get Europe. He has literally been in the margin of no errors for over 2 months, so to speak.
Read that article yesterday, he was really gushing about Ole and united, even named the club legends etc. Didn't realize he was such a big fan and it didn't seem like he was faking.
Be nice if we could quantify how much of this run was simply down to players feeling like someone took the handcuffs and ankle weights off of them. In that sense I believe just about any interim manager would have gotten a similar response.
Now the handcuffs are on the board, so to speak, as they probably have no choice but to appoint him.
Now the handcuffs are on the board, so to speak, as they probably have no choice but to appoint him.
It’s been a great run, but let’s be honest, appointing Ole as the permanent manager is a massive massive gamble for the club.
New manager bounces are widely accepted to only last for a few games. I can't think of a single interim manager (besides Paul Ince, Bruce & Hughes naturally) who would have been able to do what Ole has done, because he is a unique sort of person, in a unique situation.
If we're appointing OGS full-time, then we're going to need footballing directors of some form in too in my opinion.
We're taking a gamble that Bayern, Real or Barca can afford to take because they've got that infrastructure.
Those clubs have safety nets to fall into if a Kovac or Martino fecks up, because those clubs carry on regardless through their football directors who will continue to sign players, overlook the first team etc and they'll already have a shortlist of manager candidates who fits their style of play and hire the one who they like the most. OGS for all we know could be having one of the longest honeymoon periods known and next season we're bang average and we'll be back to square one again if it happens. I hope it doesn't but it's a possibility.
We're taking a gamble that Bayern, Real or Barca can afford to take because they've got that infrastructure.
Those clubs have safety nets to fall into if a Kovac or Martino fecks up, because those clubs carry on regardless through their football directors who will continue to sign players, overlook the first team etc and they'll already have a shortlist of manager candidates who fits their style of play and hire the one who they like the most. OGS for all we know could be having one of the longest honeymoon periods known and next season we're bang average and we'll be back to square one again if it happens. I hope it doesn't but it's a possibility.