How do you know Pogba won't down tools when playing under Poch? Since he hasn't downed tools under OGS, should go with him then right?
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How do you know Pogba won't down tools when playing under Poch? Since he hasn't downed tools under OGS, should go with him then right?
We beat Spurs, we were lucky.
We beat Arsenal, well it's Arsenal.
We beat Chelsea, they're garbage (although they rarely lose at home and we're usually terrible there)
If we beat Liverpool I bet there will be a good excuse lined up.
Something like they had a virus and a 39 temperature. All 21 of them.
We beat Arsenal, well it's Arsenal.
We beat Chelsea, they're garbage (although they rarely lose at home and we're usually terrible there)
If we beat Liverpool I bet there will be a good excuse lined up.
Something like they had a virus and a 39 temperature. All 21 of them.
Excuse will have to do with playing CL.
Wow, only if things are that black and white.
Pochettino beat United 3-0 first they met this season, why can’t Ole do that as well? Pochetttino beat Burnley, why can’t United beat them? Pochettino spend on €250m and are competitive, why can’t United do the same? Pochettino has showed his ability to develop players and make a team that was developed without a sugar daddy, competitive. This has been done over multiple season and his style of play is superior as we saw last time we met when we had to rely on De Gea to save us from a defeat.
Pochettino is a like able guy and player management is one of his stronger managerial abilities. There is more chance that Sanchez and Lukaku start showing value for their money than Pogba downing tool again.
I’m sorry, are you suggesting that, since our only world class (lame term, I know but still) outfield player is playing to a world class level, and none other, we should hold it against Ole? So he has to do some actual magic voodo stuff to be considered? Some of our other players might get to that level, but besides Pogba and De Gea, we don’t have any. It’s getting silly now. Unless, of course, we are starting from a different premise where you think we have plenty of players on Pogba’s level?
What? I actually praise Ole for making him continue upon that path towards being a top talent after it was hindered under Mourinho. I only stated that Ole shouldn’t become to dependent on him as when he get man marked out of the game like what happened at PSG, our performance will suffer. Similar, if he is absent or having a poor game.Your point about not winning convincingly vs teams we’re not expected to win or struggle. Are you serious with this? I’m trying to look at the whole picture.
Pogba is by far our best player, it’s such a level above the rest it’s not even funny. Of course we’ll struggle if he’s nullified. The complete performance you’re askimg for, simply won’t come, unless we get more players on Pogba’s level or thereabouts. PSG showed us we’re not yet a top CL team, while Ole has shown that we’re actually a good team, just not good enough yet. By you criteria, Ole shouldn’t even be considered, because we won’t get it with this exact team. My medicine, to avoid what you’re describing, is to get a few more top players (maybe RW, CM, RB or whatever). To expect it now is beyond reason.
It's annoying, they beat City 2-0 just a few months ago there. Some people are really underestimating how big a win that was yesterday just because Chelsea have been woeful AWAY from home lately.
Against the top 6 sides away in the League and FA-cup:
Poch, the tactical mastermind: 3 wins / 25 matches
Solskjaer: 3 wins / 3 matches
Poch, the tactical mastermind: 3 wins / 25 matches
Solskjaer: 3 wins / 3 matches
The biggest compliment I can give him is that for the first time in 5-6 years and three managers Utd aren't a laughing stock.
I'm leaning towards Ole over anyone for manager, he either fails miserably and we can still try and sway Poch after he has got managing in his new stadium out of his system or he carries on like he has done so far ad there is no need for anybody else.
I'm leaning towards Ole over anyone for manager, he either fails miserably and we can still try and sway Poch after he has got managing in his new stadium out of his system or he carries on like he has done so far ad there is no need for anybody else.
In our hearts It's all about tradition and values. So who will take care of those? I read somewhere in this forum that we don't buy stars, we create them. For me it's simple, follow the guy that will take good care of our heart, the guy that chose to stay on our bench, even when he had offers to be the main striker in other PL- teams. Why did he do that? I have to admit I did not get it then, I do get it now, he is destined to something amazing, and that do not happen in Spurs, that happens in here.
To succeed with conspiracy, a wise man said, the conspiracy should never involve more than one person.
Tell Molde, and Molde promise to keep it a secret? Why would they? How could they?
This.
O doubt they all lost 4 kgs because of that illness. I wonder if Lukaku could catch that.
The goalposts will be constantly moved for the rest of the season. If he beats Liverpool then he has to beat City to prove himself, If he beats City then he has to win every other game for the rest of the season.
The Chelsea win is a strong sign in my opinion. PSG loss isn’t the end of the world. There’s been plenty of teams who go through the phase of looking good in the domestics and looking abject on the continent, and usually the season or season after that if they’re a good outfit they bring their domestic form to the continental games. We’ve been through it. Klopps Dortmund went through it. Early noughties Arsenal went through it and many others too.
The Chelsea win is a strong sign in my opinion. PSG loss isn’t the end of the world. There’s been plenty of teams who go through the phase of looking good in the domestics and looking abject on the continent, and usually the season or season after that if they’re a good outfit they bring their domestic form to the continental games. We’ve been through it. Klopps Dortmund went through it. Early noughties Arsenal went through it and many others too.
Also. Pogba could have had a hat trick that game if it weren't for Lloris super performance.
Beating Chelsea at Stamford Bridge is no mean feat. And that was quite a comprehensive victory too. It's quite amazing how the players buy into how Ole wants to play so quickly. In most impressed with how much our defence had improved under him.
And without our best attack.
Yes. The defensive side has improved massively and that is insane to me. You would have thought Mourinho at least had that part covered to the maximum, but nah. I think us fans we never mind watching our team defend as long as when we attack we do it with intent. I really like this version of United and the change was instant, remarkable.
I think McKenna plays a big part in a lot of our play and tactics, along with Ole. Not long since a few brought him up as a potential manager. Ole has probably given him the freedom to contribute and has been impressed by him. Some of our attacking play do seem similar to some of the stuff the U18's played under McKenna.
Amadeus' obsession with poch is just weird. Why is he pitting the two managrrs against each other in evrry small detail?
Maybe he is the man himself?
Maybe he is the man himself?
The thing about Jose is that you kind of expect that he will be pragmatic and there will be games where he shut up shop. It's just what he is good at. But under him, our defence still looked terrible. The players looked so uncomfortable defending in his system. I think it just shows how wrong a fit he was for utd, retrospectively.
The Chelsea win into context, that I believe was only the third time in all games that we have managed to beat Chelsea on their own ground sine 2012, I think that speaks volumes for Ole's preparation and tactics please the players belief in his pre match planning and coaching staff. Long may it continue because he and the coaching staff must be doing something right.
Our defense was not so bad as Mourinho made us believe, here's some statistics to prove that:
Season 2017-2018:
19 clean sheets - Best record in the EPL
28 goals allowed - Second best defensive record
2016-2017
17 clean sheets - tied with Spurs for the best record in the EPL
29 goals allowed - Second best defensive record
2015-2016
18 clean sheets - tied with Arsenal for the best record
35 goals conceded - tied with Spurs for the best record
Im amazed how we all suddenly, including myself, forgot that our defence was one of the best in the league and bought Mourinho's comments that we had a shitty defense and we wouldn't win anything without buying 2 new centerbacks.
Of course this season was another story our defender's morale was crushed after being beated over and over by Mourinho's comments that inevitably all falled apart under him, fortunately Ole has returned this confidence to the players and they are perfoming better. Even under harder circumstances since we now attack a lot more and our defense is more exposed but we have been really solid for the most part.
No doubt Ole has done amazing and better than anyone would had imagined but we weren't as bad as Mourinho made us look thats for sure.
Wow if true that's really poor from Poch. I know people would say he had a poorer team but that record is almost Moyesesque (Moyes had 0 wins in away matches against top 4 !).
So beating Chelsea I'm reading wasn't impressive, no pleasing some people if we won the FA Cup they'll find some reason why it's not impressive. If it looked a easy victory it's because we made it look that way and our midfield ripped them to pieces. It was a complete performance so stop with the BS and give some credit to Ole as it's not just a arm around the shoulder to make the players "happy" but tactically with he's back room stuff they were spot on! Rant over
Our record under Ole is title winning stuff, however you look at it. And to win away against those London Big 3 Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea is unheard of even in Fergie Years. If that is not a perfect audition for the permanent job, I don't know what is.
Whoever is to take over Ole will be under enormous pressure to perform instantly. I would say give Ole a 3 years contract he deserves and let Posh run out his.
Whoever is to take over Ole will be under enormous pressure to perform instantly. I would say give Ole a 3 years contract he deserves and let Posh run out his.
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It just feels right. After 5 years in the abyss we are relevant again. Hes gone about to reverse all the mistakes we made one by one. Restored phelan, sold fellaini, the return of attacking/counter attacking football and so on.... .
And its so satisfying to have manager with the clubs best interests at heart like SAF and Sir matt and free from any ego or attention seeking. Im sure whatever happens we'll be in a good state when he finishes here.
Our away record against Chelsea is appalling.
I mean it's unbelievably bad, before Monday night we'd beaten them there twice since Abramovich took over close to 16 years ago. And one of those victories came about through a blatantly offside Hernandez winner and Chelsea going down to 9 men. It's our ultimate bogey ground.
For us to go there without first choice players like Lingard and Martial, with De Gea rested, and not only win but win with comfort was a fantastic achievement. Can't understand any Utd fan trying to downplay it.
I mean it's unbelievably bad, before Monday night we'd beaten them there twice since Abramovich took over close to 16 years ago. And one of those victories came about through a blatantly offside Hernandez winner and Chelsea going down to 9 men. It's our ultimate bogey ground.
For us to go there without first choice players like Lingard and Martial, with De Gea rested, and not only win but win with comfort was a fantastic achievement. Can't understand any Utd fan trying to downplay it.
How many of us would have predicted Mata starting at the top instead of Sanchez or Rashford.
The man learned so much from Fergie and comes up with his own thoughts...tactics.
We struck gold as my mate @Cockney Phil said.
And I love his humility too.
He is an example and he lifts others up....not least the supporters.
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Any Utd fan would have bitten of their own hand if you gave them the chance to win 11, draw 1, lose 1 since Jose was sacked.
If we remain strong the rest of the season (finish in the top 4 and have a good FA Cup run) then the job is Ole’s.
The board would be bonkers to do otherwise.
If we remain strong the rest of the season (finish in the top 4 and have a good FA Cup run) then the job is Ole’s.
The board would be bonkers to do otherwise.
I didn't know he coached little Molde to top a group consisting of Ajax, Fenerbahce and Sevilla. He even managed to beat Sevilla who knocked us out under our great tactician Mourinho. What he's achieved with Molde is nothing short of brilliant. He's obviously a very good tactician and has proven that at a high level coaching a team with limited resources.
If he goes on to win the Fa cup, it will be a magnificent end to the season for him and us. Whilst Poch will be lauded for winning feck all.
If he goes on to win the Fa cup, it will be a magnificent end to the season for him and us. Whilst Poch will be lauded for winning feck all.
Sevilla wasn't in the group, it was Celtic, they played Sevilla in the knockout stages.
Still a decent group for a Norwegian team.
The point still stands. To even top a group with teams like Ajax and Fenerbahce is very impressive. And to then lose to the dominant force in the competition, having won one of the games is a fantastic achievement considering Ole was managing a team which was a huge under dog. You have to be tactically very good to achieve such results with a small club like Molde.
No. Biting of the other hand would have been the real test. Any Utd fan could have bitten off the hand you are talking about.
No, it was Phelan.
Was the knock-outs, not group stage. Molde beat Sevilla at home and lost away, losing the overall tie agg 3-1. Still an impressive result, beating Sevilla at home of course.
We are a top club, if we can’t do that then we would never become one of Europe’s elite team again. Manchester City, Liverpool and even Spurs has done this. It shouldn’t be that difficult a task for United to do with our squad.
We should struggle, but when you look at what Tuchel did at Old Trafford. He tactical outclassed us without two of their key players. If we lost Pogba, I fear how we would play. Ole needs to know how to adapt like Tuchel without Neymar and Pochettino without Kane.Ole can get it with this team, if he is the manager that I am looking for.
Wait..1 defeat and you claimed Ole was tactically navie? Remember roma 3-0 barca, psg 4-0 barca? Even the top teams have their offday and get outplayed.
When was the last time Utd comprehensively beat a top team? 8-2 arsenal??
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@Adnan It should be clarified that Ole wasn’t in charge for the whole of that Europa League group stage. He was appointed a day before their 3rd group game. He had nothing to do with the first 2 games (a win at Fenerbahce and a draw at home v Ajax) so in the groups he really only beat Celtic, although that was both home and away and we can’t forget about the Sevilla win.
When I read someone saying on here yesterday that he topped a group with Fener, Ajax and Celtic I thought wow, why haven’t we heard more about that? Went to fact-check it and turned out it wasn’t quite as that poster framed it.
Not saying Ole isn’t the best thing since sliced bread, just providing context.
When I read someone saying on here yesterday that he topped a group with Fener, Ajax and Celtic I thought wow, why haven’t we heard more about that? Went to fact-check it and turned out it wasn’t quite as that poster framed it.
Not saying Ole isn’t the best thing since sliced bread, just providing context.
Indeed, what is quite apparent is that Ole does Mourinho-ball much better than Mourinho ever managed with us!
Since we ignore the money spent by clubs before managers took over (like 175 million in 2 seasons before Poch took over, 250 million by Liverpool before Klopp took over) isn't Solskjaer leading the table since he took over with -10 million net spend, not signing a single player?
So going by famous net spend thing, Solskjaer's net spend is -10 million and his team scored more or second highest number of goals, conceded less than any, has the best GD, got more points than any team since he took over.
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