Tough teams figuring something out is the new - that and that game is the real test I guess.
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer | W15 D2 L4
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Well, I'm sure Ajax, Celtic, and Fenerbache all play the exact same formations with equally talented rosters that could be swapped out piece by piece with no noticeable difference. Ince would have beaten them all - three times. Heck, anyone else could have.
Or maybe Ole just has a knack for tactics on the European stage with a team he built and knows inside and out.
Teams are soon going to figure out Klopps 4231 and Peps 433 !!! Ole better whip out a new formation beforethe jig is up
I heard he's working on a new 1-4-0-5 that's going to revolutionise football as we know it. Pep's bricking it.
This is actually a very good post and point that is getting buried because it bursts too many bubbles. He's had many good European nights before Pochettino was even in the competition and beaten far superior opposition.
"Don't think Ole is up to par tactically" is probably my least favorite argument for not wanting him in. I understand if you have reservations about his experience in big leagues, but to act like his tactics are that far behind any of the other top managers is ridiculous. He's shown an ability to adapt and gameplay for specific teams, which is pretty much the standard for all of the top managers. Managing football isn't playing fecking FM where he's sitting on a laptop controlling each players "mentality" and tinkering the formation throughout the match. I think the top managers nowadays quite clearly DON'T change as much in game, instead making their mark on the training ground. This seemed to be where Mourinho failed, as we always seemed to be looking like we hadn't trained on anything all week, even if he could affect a game by setting up in a creative way on match day . As long as we have a desired way of playing that is attacking in nature, and the team is cohesive, then it becomes much more a matter of getting the best out of current players along with buying the right players from the market.
That and I'm still holding out on the youth portion. Hasn't really been adventurous in that area. It's only a small criticism though and plenty of time for that to be erased.
I want Ole to get the job.
If OGS was a flash in the pan, there's no way the team would have bounced back after the defeat to PSG with two of our first choice attackers injured.
Imagine Ole tweaking formations. I mean isn't he aware everybody will figure him out!?
Give him the job.
imagine you thinking we played the same way in all the away london matches
Pep and Klopp play those as their default formations though, so they probably spend a lot of time coaching, practising, and eradicating every potential weaknesses. Ole uses 433 as the default formation, and just whips out the diamond for the big games.
Why would Chelsea be the ultimate test? They're garbage.
I hope we damage City and Liverpool just enough so Spurs can nick the title
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Would love it if Spurs win it...Glaston or not.
I knew a lot of Spurs supporters when I worked in London.
All good lads.
I knew a lot of Spurs supporters when I worked in London.
All good lads.
It is incredible how Old has gotten Pogba to play and show his true footballing ability. It is hard to argue that there is any midfielder in the world better than Pogba at the moment. Which is funny as a few months ago, Mourinho would bench him because he was unplayable.
This makes me question, what happens when Pogba decides to down tools again? Or when a team have the capabilities to completely shut Pogba out of the game as Tuchel did at Old Trafford? This idea of giving the players “freedom” to express themselves will not work when we come up against more tactical competent managers as seen when we faced Pochettino and Tuchel. Ole need to show that we can play around Pogba. Even though Ole deserve a lot credit for making him “happy” again(man management aspect) and giving him a more free role, football is a team sport and you will get outclassed tactically by better managers if there is an over reliance on one player in your team. This is another reason why I have not jumped on the Ole bandwagon. Ole has not really given me a complete performance against a team we were not expected to win or was going to struggle at. Some fans needs to remember that this Chelsea team got humiliated by Bournemouth and Manchester City this season. I can’t tell if there players are downing tools over there or Sariball is a ‘Sarifailure’ or ‘Saridisaster’ and the players do not understand that philosophy.
This makes me question, what happens when Pogba decides to down tools again? Or when a team have the capabilities to completely shut Pogba out of the game as Tuchel did at Old Trafford? This idea of giving the players “freedom” to express themselves will not work when we come up against more tactical competent managers as seen when we faced Pochettino and Tuchel. Ole need to show that we can play around Pogba. Even though Ole deserve a lot credit for making him “happy” again(man management aspect) and giving him a more free role, football is a team sport and you will get outclassed tactically by better managers if there is an over reliance on one player in your team. This is another reason why I have not jumped on the Ole bandwagon. Ole has not really given me a complete performance against a team we were not expected to win or was going to struggle at. Some fans needs to remember that this Chelsea team got humiliated by Bournemouth and Manchester City this season. I can’t tell if there players are downing tools over there or Sariball is a ‘Sarifailure’ or ‘Saridisaster’ and the players do not understand that philosophy.
Because
(a) It was after a loss against PSG and we did not play well.
(b) martial and Lingard were injured.
(c) The substitutes for Martial and Lingard were not performing.
(d) We have not won at SB for more than a decade.
(e) Chelsea tend to raise their game against us no matter their form.
So then why wouldn't he just play the default formation if the diamond doesn't work???
think the last was 2013, not exactly a decade but agree with all what you have said
We've played Chelsea 23 times at SB in the history of both clubs. We've only won there 3 times including last night.
But there’s levels to it, silly argument.
Oh I did not know.Thank you for the correction.
What about the Europa league where his Molde side have beaten far better opposition, including Ajax, Celtic and Fenerbache? Are we still to discount these as it's 'only the Norwegian league'?
So having few formations instead of just one is actually a weakness? Who would have thought.
Hm I'm confused now.
Are you even a United fan? Doubt it when you say things like that..
I don't think he has any idea what he's saying or implying...
We've had a lot of closet Tottenham fans come out lately, maybe he's one of those?
You’d think United fans would remember how difficult Chelsea are to beat at the Bridge, even when they’re having an off year.
Impressed with his ability to switch up tactics. Can change from a 433 to a 4312 and still be effective.
All I’m saying is I personally think Phelan is the brains while Ole acts as the fact of the whole setup.
I could care less whether we get Poch or not, if it continues to work, don’t change it.
As I previously posted. We've only beaten them 3 times in 23 games at the Bridge. Shit or not.
I'm not a United fan because I think Chelsea are garbage? Ok.
there's a lot more posts about the posters who don't want Ole than actual posts by posters who don't want Ole
I reckon 90%+ want him to be given the job
I reckon 90%+ want him to be given the job
Chelsea had only lost at home once this season, to exemplify how hard it is to beat them at the Bridge. Poor form or not, last night was a superb victory.
Then why wasn't Phelan made manager instead of Ole? Why has Ole won the league with a team that had never won the league before in the history of their existence? Was he on the phone to Phelan every night getting tactical advice? Maybe he flew Phelan out for the big Europa League nights when they beat Ajax, Celtic and Fenerbache (to name a few) in order to try and understand the tactical brilliance of Brendan Rodgers and the like.
Do you even know who Solskjaer is? You do remember he spent most of his playing career sat on the bench reading the game, observing opposition tactics so when he came on he knew how to hurt them?
But nah, you're probably right. Bet Phelan just wrote it all down and handed it to him before he went on for most games...fecking hell...
Did anyone say he wouldn't?
Think the same.
Ignoring the fact that almost every player that worked under him claims that he's not the tactics guy? Under SAF it was Quiroz or Meulesteen who was mostly in charge of the tactics, and according to reports that role is being fulfilled by Mckenna now. Phelan has always been the guy who carried out the training sessions and did the set pieces and stuff as far as I know.
You said it!
Apparently he's going to get found out if he continues to use a diamond? These are your words. Why wouldn't he just play something else if it wasn't working? I don't understand what you're saying anymore.