He would have to fail spectacularly to lose his job by Christmas. We’d have to be in the bottom half of the table.
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He would have to fail spectacularly to lose his job by Christmas. We’d have to be in the bottom half of the table.
My City fan mates were unanimously delighted that we hired him, similar to how they were with Moyes. Although they were worried when we hired LVG and Mourinho, and look how that turned out.
For me I agree Jenas.
I love Ole, he was my favorite player in the late 90's and it was a great nostalgia kick seeing him as temporary manager, it gave everyone a boost after the misery that was Jose. And he did better then anymore of us imagined, but we all saw that starting to wear off, yes their were injuries but also the performance of those on the pitch had significantly dropped and we were seeing some interesting tactical choices, we needed to see if he could come through that, before we thought about giving him the job on a permanent bases. We didn't though, we just fell into the trap that countless clubs have and appointed their caretaker manager after a bright start. Yes Ole's bounce was greater them most, but we hadn't seen if it was just a bounce at the point we appointed him.
Look at it this was everyone saying we had to give him the job, if we hadn't given him the job, would people still be saying that HE HAS to get the job today? I very much doubt it. So very clearly what we did was rush into a decision based on a small sample of results.
People saying ow fans are "moaning" already, well speaking for myself, after Jose all the noises that seemed to coming out of Old Trafford seemed that we had finally learnt from the mistakes of just rushing into a managerial appointment. We were going to hire a director of football who would give the club some football knowledge near the executive level, who would then conduct a extensive manager search to get the correct candidate. That has been thrown out the window, there seems to No director of football coming in and if they did it will be too late to effect this summer. Their was no extensive manager search we just rushed into an appointment which we have basically done since Fergie left.
Its gone from been the most hopeful i've been since Fergie left to the least hopeful:
I love Ole, he was my favorite player in the late 90's and it was a great nostalgia kick seeing him as temporary manager, it gave everyone a boost after the misery that was Jose. And he did better then anymore of us imagined, but we all saw that starting to wear off, yes their were injuries but also the performance of those on the pitch had significantly dropped and we were seeing some interesting tactical choices, we needed to see if he could come through that, before we thought about giving him the job on a permanent bases. We didn't though, we just fell into the trap that countless clubs have and appointed their caretaker manager after a bright start. Yes Ole's bounce was greater them most, but we hadn't seen if it was just a bounce at the point we appointed him.
Look at it this was everyone saying we had to give him the job, if we hadn't given him the job, would people still be saying that HE HAS to get the job today? I very much doubt it. So very clearly what we did was rush into a decision based on a small sample of results.
People saying ow fans are "moaning" already, well speaking for myself, after Jose all the noises that seemed to coming out of Old Trafford seemed that we had finally learnt from the mistakes of just rushing into a managerial appointment. We were going to hire a director of football who would give the club some football knowledge near the executive level, who would then conduct a extensive manager search to get the correct candidate. That has been thrown out the window, there seems to No director of football coming in and if they did it will be too late to effect this summer. Their was no extensive manager search we just rushed into an appointment which we have basically done since Fergie left.
Its gone from been the most hopeful i've been since Fergie left to the least hopeful:
- We have so many player with contract issues, that we are struggling to re-negotiate becuase we handed out that retarded Sanchez contract which increased all our top players demand and signings demands by at least 100k a week.
- We have manager whose main qualification for the job is that he is a beloved player at the club, who actual management experience you would describe at best as mixed.
- The people in charge of transfers in the summer are Woodward, who has been doing the job for 6 years and more then anyone has to take responsibility for the imbalanced squad and Ole, whose only experience of near top level transfers was at Cardiff was an unmitigated disaster. And we are trusting these with a reported 200 million to fix our squad?
- We are on a terrible run of results and the performances have been equally bad.
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Yep he was, jumps on the bandwagon.
I agree with this part.
Pochettino: Lost 6 of the last 10 - (Lost 5 of the last 8 in the league)
Ole: Lost 5 of the last 10 - (Lost 2 of the last 8 in the league)
"Ole's on a bad run, should have went for Poch."
Ole: Lost 5 of the last 10 - (Lost 2 of the last 8 in the league)
"Ole's on a bad run, should have went for Poch."
Pochettino is clearly the better manager. That doesn't mean Ole cannot succeed here though.
Heh, based on?
I don’t think that’s a controversial claim really. Even if Ole has won 2 Norwegian titles.
Based on his work at Spurs. All Ole has done in England is have a good 15 games.
I think it might be some mourinho fans still upset by his sacking so they took their frustration out on Ole even after the former was responsible for leaving us 11 point off the top 4. we should've been comfortably in the top 4 with our feet up watching the others scrapping.
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Typical CAF
I'd say it's still very unclear how good of a PL-manager Ole is, but in his four months at United he's got better results than Poch. It's not clear at all.
Very small sample size though. I’m not discrediting the job Ole has done in the last 4 months, but to turn perma-bottlers Tottenham into a top 3 side and get them into the CL semis is evidence of an outstanding job.
He also had a good stint at Southampton before joining Spurs.
Got to laugh at these pundits
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/f...-Rumours-Gossip/amp?__twitter_impression=true
I'm not discrediting the job Poch has done, but he's been Spurs-manager for 5 years and they've never come close to winning anything yet. Ole started out as United-manager when Tottenham were 13 points ahead on the table, tomorrow they could be even again. Small sample sample size or not, it's the only sample size we've got to make a fair comparison, and so far Ole has done better.
Yeah, but only an idiot would pay any attention to what the tosser says!
I find this awkward if true. At the end of the day, Phelan is only the assistant manager. Can you imagine an article saying "Mikel Arteta's preference..." or " Rui Faria's preference..." regarding transfers ?
Also, I find this british obsession nonsense and counterproductive. If you're good enough you're "british" enough?
Ohhh Jenas. Just a pair of months ago.Got to laugh at these pundits
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/f...-Rumours-Gossip/amp?__twitter_impression=true
That’s my point though, it’s not a fair comparison. It’s like saying Sam Allardyce is the best England manager in history because he has a 100% win record.
Ole's at the wheel. And rightly so. If there's one manager who will NOT accept sub-standards then it's Ole. Bring on the summer clear out.
I have nothing to add to the discussion other than agree that Jenas is a clueless tosser. The state of BBC punditry.
Ole is good from the point of view that Woodward and the Glazers won't be able to use him as the fall guy this time, Moyes, LvG, and Jose, in the main copt all the blame for the teams failings, this time fans won't be so quick to accept that if Ole goes the same way, and Woodward might finally see some sort of concerted pressure on his owns shortcomings, which are becoming more and more clear, and we then might finally see some sort of structure change as we so clearly need.
I'd like to think Woodward is bright enough to have worked this one out, so will put pressure on the Glazers to back Ole property, whether that will be enough is open to considerable doubt, but at least the final outcome might be different this time.
Funny that no one ever seems to want to take the full context perspective with Pochettino. Had to resign to avoid the sack after getting Espanyol relegated.
Seeing United-supporters claim that "Pochettino is "clearly" the better manager" after Ole has just closed in on a 13-point gap in four months is just a bit weird. Finishing top 4 for a few years in a row really must be something special for some.
Apparently better than winning three EL on the bounce, or winning 3 FA cups on the bounce. The most overrated manager out there, gets put in the same bracket as multiple CL winners like Guardiola and Zidane. You'll get a wave of fan boys telling you about his net spend trophies and good football trophies whenever you criticize him though.
The thing is Ole is a gambling appointment, after short trial, popularity poll by the public consensus. Woodward can escape the blame again easily, especially when OGS taking the stance of not publicly criticizing the owner. SAF being SAF could do that and still be successful while absorbing pressure from the Glazers and we as a club can still feel hard done by the years of underinvested. OGS can easily be a sacrificial lamb if he wouldn't be able to achieve something. I was extremely gutted when we went out of the FA Cup. Even making the final without winning, could have put OGS in better situation.
Young is not in the traveling squad. So, it seems that he is at least learning.
He is just being rested for the derby on Wednesday.
Not if Darmian has something to say about it
After seeing glimpses of Ole's cheek over the years, I'd love to hear his sarcy remark if he's seen that Jenas comment.
Especially given Jenas is total fecking nobody as a player.
Especially given Jenas is total fecking nobody as a player.
I find these kind of posts somewhat weird. What did Woodward come out and say to make these guys the fall guy?
As for Ole he is in the same position as all of the previous managers except he is already loved therefore he might be given more room for mediocrity than the others. What is it in your mind Ed and the Glazers need to do to improve performances on the pitch? Because for the most part the managers have been backed but then like any manager they always want more.
Ole might get more backing than any previous manager but honestly I don’t think that he’ll see out this contract and we’ll be looking for a new manager after next season.
Why? Based on what you make that assumption?
My point is that Ole shouldn't really have got the job, he is the cheaper, easier option, one that once again puts off the obvious need for us to change our approach, I bet Ed can't believe his luck.
I have no doubt he will be backed to some extent like the rest, but that alone is clearly not enough, we need real change, and alot of a that is getting a top class DOF which will either help a manager, or expose his failings, and make our new need for multiple manager changes an easier transition, rather than a half hearted full on rebuild.
I hope at least that in Ole they will find this won't work this time if it all goes wrong, and the heat will be turned firmly in them.
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