I think we had a run under LVG when we didn't win in 8 games (6 in the league). Lots of draws then.
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I think we had a run under LVG when we didn't win in 8 games (6 in the league). Lots of draws then.
Would respect the hell out of him if he walked in that scenario.
Strap in. This summer window is going to be make or break for United. If we don’t get a DF, which is looking increasingly likely at this stage, Woodward will sign Ole’s 3rd choice targets and we’ll be starting with Jones, Smalling, and Young when the new players don’t work out.
I've said it in a post last week and I'm going to say it again, it's not Ole, LVG etc, it's the lack of quality throughout the whole team.
People expecting Ole to do some magic and defeat Barcelona at home are either blind fans or have no football iq. SAF couldn't outplay a similar Barcelona two times and SAF was a better manager and had a better team at his disposal.
I'm just going to leave this here, for the know-how'ers. Last night we played with the following players:
- Young - 33yrs old, absolutely dogshit as a football player, no consistency, nothing. (although always giving 100% and a nice figure to have around the young players)
- Jones -- While he's shit for most of the games, I feel that he's the only CB we have that can really anticipate play and position himself accordingly. He's always injured and rarely gets a string of games
- Smalling - alright, nothing special, good no nonsense defender, but that's kind of it. He's not suited to the UCL style of football and especially against Barca's football
- Lindelof - alright defender, needs stability around him to shine
- Fred - good midfielder, as opposed to the football geniuses around here, has a risky pass in him, but at least can drive the ball forward, can hit a pass, has a decent shot (as opposed to our CAF favorite Ander)
- Pogs - brilliant and a bit inconsistent player, but like Lindelof, needs stability and quality around him (if you don't see that, you're utterly blind. The guy has the same stats he had a Juve but is still slated for not carrying the other 10 players on his back, pathetic)
- Scott - very good prospect, gives his all, has a decent passing range, sticks his foot in, proper lad, can't hate him
- Rashford - very inconsistent player mostly because he played in 2-3 different positions in the last 3-4 seasons.
- Martial - very inconsistent, lazy as feck, one trick pony(but a very good finisher)
- Lingard - Manc like Rash, but everton quality.
So, in simple English, we're playing with 3 improper defenders, 2 very inconsistent, young and mostly inexperienced attackers, we have no goalscorer, that midfield only played together a few times in official games and we wanted to turn the score around at Barca's ground just because we're Man United and we did it before? That's plain delusional and the knee jerk towards Ole, Pogs and Degea around here is pathetic.
It's not the coaching setup, it;s the fecking players and it's as obvious as 911.
People expecting Ole to do some magic and defeat Barcelona at home are either blind fans or have no football iq. SAF couldn't outplay a similar Barcelona two times and SAF was a better manager and had a better team at his disposal.
I'm just going to leave this here, for the know-how'ers. Last night we played with the following players:
- Young - 33yrs old, absolutely dogshit as a football player, no consistency, nothing. (although always giving 100% and a nice figure to have around the young players)
- Jones -- While he's shit for most of the games, I feel that he's the only CB we have that can really anticipate play and position himself accordingly. He's always injured and rarely gets a string of games
- Smalling - alright, nothing special, good no nonsense defender, but that's kind of it. He's not suited to the UCL style of football and especially against Barca's football
- Lindelof - alright defender, needs stability around him to shine
- Fred - good midfielder, as opposed to the football geniuses around here, has a risky pass in him, but at least can drive the ball forward, can hit a pass, has a decent shot (as opposed to our CAF favorite Ander)
- Pogs - brilliant and a bit inconsistent player, but like Lindelof, needs stability and quality around him (if you don't see that, you're utterly blind. The guy has the same stats he had a Juve but is still slated for not carrying the other 10 players on his back, pathetic)
- Scott - very good prospect, gives his all, has a decent passing range, sticks his foot in, proper lad, can't hate him
- Rashford - very inconsistent player mostly because he played in 2-3 different positions in the last 3-4 seasons.
- Martial - very inconsistent, lazy as feck, one trick pony(but a very good finisher)
- Lingard - Manc like Rash, but everton quality.
So, in simple English, we're playing with 3 improper defenders, 2 very inconsistent, young and mostly inexperienced attackers, we have no goalscorer, that midfield only played together a few times in official games and we wanted to turn the score around at Barca's ground just because we're Man United and we did it before? That's plain delusional and the knee jerk towards Ole, Pogs and Degea around here is pathetic.
It's not the coaching setup, it;s the fecking players and it's as obvious as 911.
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Good post. I agree with a lot of your assessments of the players. Sums up a lot of what others are saying, bottom line is the present form is down to the players. I think the form is down to the fact a lot of them could not maintain the pace and pressing that Ole instigated when he took over. This showed against Liverpool when players were dropping like flies, probably due to accumulated fatigue thus picking up muscle strain injuries e.g. hamstrings going. Since then we are playing with less pace, the pressing is not as intense or effective and we are falling back into the old style of back passing and slow progression from defence to attack. Hopefully with a summer clear out and some good buys we could put a lot of these problems right but I'm not convinced these two crucial aspects will be addressed ( as per previous windows ) and we will struggle again next season.
Very close to calling out Rashers last night! That's as close as I've seen him come. Made it as clear as possible our attack
unlike theirs is not clinical. Expect a striker upgrade in the summer. I think having a top striker can hide a multitude of sins so I'm
going to change our priorities to right back, striker, center-back, right winger. Spurs must be more opening to doing business for Kane
given the stadium cost. We have a great striker in the reserves to come through but whether he's promoted in the summer and we save
concentrate elsewhere will be a decision which Ole will ultimately be judged on I expect!
unlike theirs is not clinical. Expect a striker upgrade in the summer. I think having a top striker can hide a multitude of sins so I'm
going to change our priorities to right back, striker, center-back, right winger. Spurs must be more opening to doing business for Kane
given the stadium cost. We have a great striker in the reserves to come through but whether he's promoted in the summer and we save
concentrate elsewhere will be a decision which Ole will ultimately be judged on I expect!
This is something troubling I have noticed. Ole seems to not have it in him to turn a game around consistently. Under Moaninho we started games off ridiculously slow, but he consistently lit a fire under their arses and we would go guns blazing and make a lot of comebacks later in games. His substitutions were also spot on most of the time.
Has Ole made a half time change yet? We were an utter shambles against Watford and he didn't make a change at half-time and we were an utter shambles in the 2nd half and he waited almost 20 minutes to make a change.
December in Van Gaal's second season was a stinker. We got knocked out of the Champions League after losing to Wolfsburg and lost successive league games to Bournemouth, Norwich and Stoke.
As was implicitly touted by the club just weeks before not employing a DoF and limiting their 'extensive search for a new manager' to the current interim after a handful of games culminating in back to back defeats...
How about, "it's up to these players now to show they are worth the shirt, we have an objective to reach Top 4, and to play good football in doing so, and if that objective isn't reached then we'll to be thinking about who is Man Utd quality and who isn't".
Klopp had the pedigree and work in his past to earn that trust though - OGS does not, he's failed miserably in the PL before and no PL club has since wanted him.
Please note that I think OGS is a better fit than Moyes, but even Moyes was at least a proven top 6 PL manager when we handed him the reins. OGS, from past achievements isn't actually even a PL level manager - in charge of the biggest job in English football. That's some move by the Glazers...
Its a curse. Brazilians can't play well for United. Someone will arrive to break the curse in the future. Also one of those guys you mentioned is Belgian
Nah I'm not buying that. It looks more like Ole's reached his limit in being bale to motivate most of them, because we've fallen off a cliff since the PSG game when it should have given us another boost. Don't get me wrong, we're in dire need of signings, as well as offloads, but it shouldn't have gotten this bad so quickly.
In one season, the last time we did this was in November 1996, when we got thrashed by Newcastle and Southampton away in consecutive games. We won the league that year!
We also did it across the 00-01 and 01-02 seasons when we finished the latter terribly, despite winning the league, and started the next with a loss to Liverpool in the cup.
It goes to show even top sides can have terrible runs, but the standard is so much higher now to win the league. Hopefully I don't have to dig through a database further should more losses arrive.
I think he was living off the high of being a new appointment and got a few wins under his belt and the team took off. Now it's settled and you think...feck me what have we done.
I said it before this next appointment was so and I mean so important because if you got it wrong you really begin to fall behind the pack and that league title is years and I mean years away if that happens.
I said it before this next appointment was so and I mean so important because if you got it wrong you really begin to fall behind the pack and that league title is years and I mean years away if that happens.
This. Fed up with the mourinho was right comments or we will have had different outcome etc. The squad he spended 2.5 years building was getting embrassed week after week and left to be humiliated by mid table sides. Not to mention we are still feeling the effects of his diabolical training methods which left the team serverly unconditioned and leading to a injury crisis in our most critical phase of the season.
Mourinho opinion is irrelevant.
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He has been saying those things in literally every press conference since the day he arrived. Just last week he said United is survival of the fittest and those not up for it won't last long at the club.
Ashley Young has put in three 0/10 performances and still getting picked and made captain. Ole said a lot about youth as well, but he's given Greenwood the junk minutes even though he's tearing it up in the reserves. Lingard and Martial get played despite being utter shite for ages and Lukaku is the one that has had less game time because of it despite out performing them.
I am absolutely behind Ole, and if we don't get at least 3 starters in I will not criticize next season because that's what this team needs. The squad he inherited is not good enough to challenge for the league or CL.
I am absolutely behind Ole, and if we don't get at least 3 starters in I will not criticize next season because that's what this team needs. The squad he inherited is not good enough to challenge for the league or CL.
I think Ole sort of made that clear in his post match remarks last night, …"we are two levels off what is needed..." was part of what he said.
Ole must now know, or have a pretty good idea about who should stay and who should go, but he will let things play out until the end of this season, just to be doubly sure and to give any player he still has got doubts about some final time to 'impress' him.
Lets hope Ed Woodward allows Ole the scope to bring in who he needs and get rid of those he doesn't. Personally I wouldn't have anyone 30 or above as a starter, maybe one or two as squad players, but the emphasis has to be on youth. Before anyone starts talking about needing experience, how many of our current stars (ageing or otherwise) bring to bear their experience during a game? They may well be helping out in training and giving advice to youngsters off the pitch, but on the pitch we see little of the experience being deployed. EG last night Messi scored what was for him a routine goal, but for many others a wonder goal, we had been doing reasonably well up to then, had a few chances, but after that we went to pieces, epitomised by De Gea fumble for the second. Where was the experience then? Messi is one of if not the most gifted player on the planet, he is expected to score wonder goals, we should not go to pieces when he does.
He needs to be fully backed in summer, he knows the calibre of player that should be playing for United and I trust him to find that and build the right team.
People expecting us to win the league next season need to reign in their expectations. When the manager of your club, who was also part of one of the greatest squads we've assembled, comes out publically and acknowledges we need a major rebuild, it's a cause for concern.
This isn't a one summer overhaul/rebuild, this is going to take a few years to get right but I trust Ole etc to do so.
People expecting us to win the league next season need to reign in their expectations. When the manager of your club, who was also part of one of the greatest squads we've assembled, comes out publically and acknowledges we need a major rebuild, it's a cause for concern.
This isn't a one summer overhaul/rebuild, this is going to take a few years to get right but I trust Ole etc to do so.
In all honesty... i'm not sure what was wrong with plan to have Ole finish the season with a reevaluation in the summer.
Seems like that would have been a good way of doing things.
Seems like that would have been a good way of doing things.
Ole deserves to be backed in the summer but I'm not sure giving him a blank cheque is wise. We've done that with 3 managers already and it's gotten us nowhere. I would like a DOF to come in and help recruit.
When he was first appointed as interim manager, he managed to motivate the players and almost every players had improved under him and we were playing entertaining attacking football. It was so exciting to watch man utd again under him.
Fast forward a few weeks, we are back to playing boring negative football. Hopefully, it's not false dawn again and he can sort us out after summer transfer window.
Forget about challenging for the league or champions league. Let's play entertaining attacking football first and foremost the way man utd should be playing.
Fast forward a few weeks, we are back to playing boring negative football. Hopefully, it's not false dawn again and he can sort us out after summer transfer window.
Forget about challenging for the league or champions league. Let's play entertaining attacking football first and foremost the way man utd should be playing.
And what if he was never given an 'interim' contract and from day one he signed a permanent contract?
I'm hopeful Mike Phelan would guide us through this transfer window process. After all he was here when all the great players were playing for us and know what quality we should be looking at.
Honestly cannot fathom out why they gave him the job full time Now! They could still have given it to him, but in May?
Some players have just gone back to there old ways as soon as job is given, unless he get in at least RB, CB, and another CM, I'd say another LB as well, were in for another long season, next one, and he be gone by January , hope not but our club is not being run properly so far,
We've brought in to much mediocre players.
Some players have just gone back to there old ways as soon as job is given, unless he get in at least RB, CB, and another CM, I'd say another LB as well, were in for another long season, next one, and he be gone by January , hope not but our club is not being run properly so far,
We've brought in to much mediocre players.
You didn't change anything but then you just quoted yourself saying you'll call them big (ish), When you originally called them big before to show how poch has experience of managing a big club. Whether they are big or not, doesn't matter now since you've just proved my point about you making shit up then changing it when someone calls your bullshit and once again you've done the same thing in this thread with your original post which i made a comment on. You've made this nonsense about Ole not being a tactician (not saying he is good or bad) by making points which are complete nonsense and I've asked you why those points you've made, makes him a bad tactician but you've not replied as you're just making shit up (one of your points was why not try Rojo at FB, to show why Ole is a bad tactician but you've ignored the west ham game. another gem was try Darmian at FB who hasn't played a game for months but should have played him vs barca, those two Bs points makes Ole a bad tactician). Think you need to learn what Tactician means.
One of your Positive points on poch were that he knows how to manage a big club and I said spurs are not a big club then you changed that, so i am not sure what you're on about with this nonsense about sticking to one word and making a story about it (probably your normal rubbish).
As for people like me? people who point your Bs out?..... stay away from you? are you a child? I have no interest anymore to reply to a poster who just bullshits to further his agenda.
Pathetic. You're a Joke.
Might have raised a few eyebrows to say the least. We don't know how the club reached the decision, whether they interviewed or sounded out other better-qualified candidates; whether they spoke to consultants, or what. Most high-profile companies do that sort of thing when hiring management. Some promote from within. Could be that Ole was the only one who wanted the job. :-(
Which is why he puts so many "questionable" lineups out there. We don't know what was said behind closed doors before they signed him on full-time. The results to the end of the season don't matter, no matter how much we may or may not care. It's all about putting us in a position to make good moves in the summer and set up for success next year. If we make top-4, so much the better, and I think he's pushing toward that, but a lot of it is out of his hands and down to luck. Next year is WAY more important. As for CL vs EL for getting players in, if we're in EL next year, I think it could be sold that it is just a one-year thing and we expect to be back in CL the following year.
I'd like to think we did consult the right people, whether it was consultants or footballing people eg SAF, SBC and Gill, well I don't know about that. All I can say is that it's too early to judge Ole and the job he's doing.
I will not judge him till we see a summer transfer window at least.
I am sure that he wants a team that presses a lot, but is holding back because our players are not used to that and lack the fitness for that. Last thing we want is injuries to key players.
But one thing I don't like are his sub decisions. Very wierd at times.
But then again, even if we want to sell the deadwood, can we manage to ship most of them out remains a huge question.
I am sure that he wants a team that presses a lot, but is holding back because our players are not used to that and lack the fitness for that. Last thing we want is injuries to key players.
But one thing I don't like are his sub decisions. Very wierd at times.
But then again, even if we want to sell the deadwood, can we manage to ship most of them out remains a huge question.
Wow, not only that you are annoying person, you even don't know to read with understanding. And now you are telling me what i meant to say. This is pure gold.
This will be first time that i will brake rules( but you did it first so..) and attack poster. You are one really pathetic little person.
Back the manager in the summer. Let him buy and sell whomever he wants, only then can he be judged.
I'm not judging him, I'm questioning the hiring process. If we did our due diligence and Ole came out top of a list of highly-qualified candidates, then great. He's earned the job. If he got the job because SAF recommended him and we stopped looking elsewhere, then it makes me wonder. Ole may turn out to be the best thing since sliced bread but the club is run like Fred Karno's circus.
Ole needs to incorporate the youth more and hopefully we start seeing it. So far he hasn't utilized the youth and all this talk about "if you're good enough, you're old enough" has been just that, talk. We need that hunger and drive that comes with youth players trying to earn their spot and in doing so pushing our first team players. We seem to be putting too much value on experience - Young being the perfect example - over actual skill. Dalot being player at RW instead of developing at RB. Players like Greenwood, Chong & Gomes who deserve a chance not playing any significant minutes. Axel being loaned out so that we can keep playing players like Jones, Smalling and Rojo. We keep looking for external answers when we may very well already have them at the club.
As I've said in another thread, when Spurs now have the one of the world's best stadiums, a world-class training centre, are amongst the global top 10 in terms of income and had an average attendance of 71,000 for our home games last season... then we can hardly be described as a middle-size club.
Of course there are several bigger clubs, but the world is not simplistically dividable into only 6 or 7 big clubs, with the hundreds and hundreds of other clubs all being either middle-size or small.
Never thought he would work at united, but he did alot better than I expected to be honest. The fact he won the Europa cup, and came second in the leauge with this team, is, if as everyone declares now, it is so obviously shit, was still pretty impressive no?
But we do know he wasn't backed when he felt that the team just wasn't good enough to compete with City or Liverpool.
The narrative I guess, is that he wasn't going to risk his reputation even attempting, and so scuppered the ship, which is pretty despicable if true, but it doesn't negate the fact, that he felt all along, exactly what Ole's supporters, are saying now (reversal of opinion from when Ole was winning a few weeks ago) that the team just wasn't good enough to challenge with.
But as much as I have always hated his style of football, this revisionist opinion of Mourinho as some kind of bad manager (or even more ridiculous inferior to Ole!) is pretty silly.
I remember watching how his team denied Liverpool the title that day, and remember being awed (and not only on that day) by how difficult his teams were to break down, and how masterfully he 'rope a doped' Liverpool that day.
He is a man who has won everything there is to win in the game, and has an astute footballing brain. I think few defending him would actually want him back, but will still give him his due, and say he was, and is right about many things, especially concerning this team.
As much as people have been blinded by hero worship of Ole, they have also been blinded by their own blind hatred of Mourinho.
If Ole (who is apparently his managerial superior after a good run of games) even has a fraction of Mourinhos success I will be very surprised, and impressed. At least wait until Ole has actually won something with united (other than a champions leauge tie) before taking the position that he is the better manager.
He's the nicer guy, I'll give you that, but only time will tell if he is the better manager.
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Yeah, very weird. We were two down at halftime and i would expect him to make changes and try to change the game but it never came. Finally he subbed Dalot in. I'm very worried regarding the subs he makes.
How many trophies? A big club has to win trophies along side everything you've listed or are they just for egos?
It does make you wonder about his tactical awareness and in particular how to turn things round.
How many trophies? A big club has to win trophies along side everything you've listed or are they just for egos?
Spurs have won trophies. In fact we were the first British club ever to win a European trophy.
Of course we need to win more trophies, but then you'd just move the goal-posts and come up with some other supposed reason why Spurs are apparently just a middle-size club … just as you would if Spurs happened to win the CL this time around.
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