We need to start appointing staff on merit instead of sentiment. Solskjaer doesn't have any sort of experience in a DOF role.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Ole could be part of a committee that advise a DOF, but having that role himself? Utterly mad.
Just because some of us thought Van Gaal and Jose had to go, doesn't mean we thought Ole should have been given the job.
I don't get what Ole is done for people to defend him?
He had a purple patch during the new manager bounce.
He made big promises, failed to deliver
He signed 3 players good signings but 2 of them were obvious signings..
He wanted a pre season to implement his style and has done so - Very boring
He keeps being pleased with crap performances
Keeps saying we are not clinical enough but we dont create chances
Keeps playing Rashford up top
Keeps starting Lingard
On the pitch, we literally wait for a player to do something special. What happen to team goal?
Look at Mane's run V Leicester for the goal, none of our players make any runs, pass forward.
He had a purple patch during the new manager bounce.
He made big promises, failed to deliver
He signed 3 players good signings but 2 of them were obvious signings..
He wanted a pre season to implement his style and has done so - Very boring
He keeps being pleased with crap performances
Keeps saying we are not clinical enough but we dont create chances
Keeps playing Rashford up top
Keeps starting Lingard
On the pitch, we literally wait for a player to do something special. What happen to team goal?
Look at Mane's run V Leicester for the goal, none of our players make any runs, pass forward.
He has to go. He's so far out his depth it's not even funny.
Moyes was a very experienced Premier League Manager. LvG and Mourinho were regarded as greats in management. That clearly didn't work out well.
So we give up and start appointing people without experience?
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Never mind Ole what the heck does Carrick offer on the touchline. I have never seen his lips move. He did not even give a piece for the Look North as him & Shearer opened a new artificial pitch at Wallsend Boys Club. He needs some time with the youth teams & Nicky Butt.
Never mind Ole what the heck does Carrick offer on the touchline. I have never seen his lips move. He did not even give a piece for the Look North as him & Shearer opened a new artificial pitch at Wallsend Boys Club. He needs some time with the youth teams & Nicky Butt.
You don’t even realise the irony of it do you?
Almost all of you to a man/woman slate Ed Woodward yet you all agree with every single decision he makes - until it proves to be a bad one and then Ed’s incompetent and you knew it all along
The fact that all these managers struggle to find a job should tell you something. Moyes out of his depth, LVG didn't do anything of note in 20 years, Jose 5 years too late and Ole out of his depth. We are yet to try a good modern manager who does well RIGHT NOW, not 5 years ago, not 20 years ago.
It's almost as if people would expect better from the CEO of one of the biggest football clubs in the world than from a bunch of fans on a forum. There's a reason none of us are involved in leading top football clubs.
This is utter bollocks. Most of us realised he was a fraud when he was chasing shadows in his first transfer window, only to end up with Fellaini on deadline day.
Starting Andreas is much worse than starting Lingard and Rashford, who have both had times in their career when they've looked good enough, something Andreas never has in a Utd shirt.
Forgot to mention him. He is okay when he has time and space - always plays the easy ball but as soon as he is in a tight space and the ball is played to him, he looks crap.
Would these so-called modern managers not lack experience? Who do you guys suggest and are there any guarantees of success by these constant changes?
I was one of the few expressing dissent in the Ole thread when he was made permanent but yeah you are right. Can't say I haven't noticed the hypocrisy. The Jose extension was applauded also, The Jose appointment was applauded, the LVG appointment was extremely popular especially after that world cup Holland had. All the so called Galactico signings were especially praised. United fans were over the moon for Di Maria and Falcao. Same united fans who are now angry we didn't get an ungrateful Dybala.
Yes Ed is paid to be wiser than the fans but for us fans it still shows a lack of self awareness to be criticising decisions we once applauded like we knew it all along. We do need a DoF who is immune to fan sentiment and can make those unpopular decisions that turn out good in the long term
No one can guarantee success.
But modern manager with modern techniques and a good coach.
Pochettino, Nagglesman, Klopp all have modern methods of coaching.
You've quoted me, but I was reacting to your suggestion of moving Ole to DOF. This is suddenly a different discussion about managers.
You can be young but experienced at the top level at the same time. There are no guarantees by constant changes the same way there are no guarantees sticking with someone clearly underperforming for 5 years and him magically turning into SAF. There is a thread for suggestions but the current situation with Ole simply cannot continue, he would have been already sacked from pretty much every club in PL yet we are still wasting our time.
There's no such thing as guaranteed success. What is clear is a proper coach would do better than Ole, who is not really coaching the team at all.
It's amazing how many people simply miss the point.
Have any of these modern managers with their modern coaching methods and techniques ever had the misfortune of working under Ed Woodward?
Right, so I have missed the point because I mentioned names that haven't worked for Ed.
So your answer is leave Ole in charge and try nothing?
Does Ed pick the team? Does Ed coach the players? Pochettino and Klopp constantly need to wait to get the players they want and many times they miss out, just like we do. However they are both good managers and can work with what they have.
We'll see what happens soon enough
This time next year "Poch out! he's clueless"
Precisely.
I bet if you trudged back through the LVG Out & Jose Out threads, you will find the content within alarming similar to this thread.
I haven't got the answers if that's what you are hoping.
And no, Ole is clearly not up to the task.
It’s a bit like comparing a Ford Escort to a Ferrari.
Throwing in Nagglesman or Pochettino now would just result in the same situation in a season or so's time. Hate to say it but if Allegri's English is any good he could be the best shot at restoring some form of standards while still attracting some decent players to the club.
The thing is almost every fan knows the issues are bigger than the manager.
Ed is the biggest hindrance to this football club succeeding.
Yes, he should hire a DoF so we sign the right people, right coaches and the football philosophy is different. What Ed has done is react to bad decisions and it feels he is about to do so again without a plan.
However; In his defence when hired a manager he has backed them but they have just not been able to get the best out of the team.
They won their first ever title under Ole though in 2011, and went on to repeat that the season after so he actually got them to the level where they became competitive (to be fair they did finish 2nd in 2009 already).
Thing about these weaker leagues, much like Poland, is that everyone can win the league there with a bit of luck. 11 games into Polish Ekstraklasa we have 10 teams fighting for the title and all of them could realistically win it. That doesn't mean that managers of those teams are all good - in fact I would imagine 7-8 will be fired from their jobs in Poland within the next year.
In what way? Nagglesman is a non starter in my opinion, he just went to Leipzig, they waited a very long time to get him so there is no chance of him leaving and he lacks experience. The pressures of a united job would be too much.
However; I believe Poch would be good because he is used to working under difficult board in Levy and he has a trait that none of our managers have had, that is to improve players.
I think it is the opposite, having Allegri will be the same as hiring LVG or Jose.
I'm going to point out that if you had got Klopp when he was available, your fanbase (obviously not just on here, wider social media) would have called for him to be sacked if he did as well as he did in his first three seasons at Liverpool (Fourth place would not have been enough for you guys in the second or third season, which is where Liverpool finished)
There would have been many on here calling him 'Jurgen Flopp' and there would have been stupid threads on here talking about how he was overrated at Dortmund and how Woodward was stupid for appointing him when he had never achieved some arbitrary achievement which more down to circumstance than it is managerial ability. I can imagine it now...
"Oh....he nearly got Dortmund relegated, he's obviously past it as a manager but Woodward is so stupid he can't even see that. He's an moron for even considering Flopp to come here" - Obviously Klopp never got Dortmund almost relegated, but I guarantee you'd see the above type of post on here - completely incorrect and illogical on more than one front.
And please, oh please do not try to deny any of this. This place was highly critical of Jose for not finishing closer to City when you finished second, and widely lampooned him for suggesting it was a good achievement. You know the fanbase would have called for the sacking.
My point is: Your fanbase needs to readjust your goddamn expectations, especially when sackings (if not normally hirings) are mostly down to fan pressure. You need to get over yourselves and understand that nothing is ever guaranteed, and anything good is going to take time. Which means actually being willing to grant that time.
I'm still waiting to see a detailed explanation of how the armchair managers think we should set up with the players available?
If we are still awful when Martial, Pogba, Wan Bissaka and Shaw return - then I think it's more than fair to call for his head.
Currently, people are judging the man on 8 league games where we've lost half of our first 11 to injuries.
Pick up Poch or Pep and drop them into this squad with its current difficulties. They will 100% drop points. Ironically, Jose is one of the only managers who would likely gaurenttee us points with a such a shit players available.
I have no faith in Ole taking us to the top in the long term, and i accepted that when I acknowledged he'd done enough to warrant his appointment. But realistically - sack him now and who wants to come to this club after how we've treated/supported our managers.
We deserve Ole and we deserve mid table.
If we are still awful when Martial, Pogba, Wan Bissaka and Shaw return - then I think it's more than fair to call for his head.
Currently, people are judging the man on 8 league games where we've lost half of our first 11 to injuries.
Pick up Poch or Pep and drop them into this squad with its current difficulties. They will 100% drop points. Ironically, Jose is one of the only managers who would likely gaurenttee us points with a such a shit players available.
I have no faith in Ole taking us to the top in the long term, and i accepted that when I acknowledged he'd done enough to warrant his appointment. But realistically - sack him now and who wants to come to this club after how we've treated/supported our managers.
We deserve Ole and we deserve mid table.
Moyes only got the job because he was sir Alex's mate.
Mourinho and van Gaal got the job on merit
The only manager who may have needed more time was LVG. It speaks a lot that the others are still looking for work as we speak and Ole could soon be on that list. Jose had to go. We reached an impasse on playing philosophy. He wanted his boatengs, Willians and Perisics and we will never...I repeat Never get behind that as a club
Agreed 100%
There is definitely something that is not right. Could that be the squad's ability or bad coaching? I can definitely see the players' lack of quality because that is visually possible. However, I cannot be certain of Ole's and his coaching teams level of ability. That's because I have no clue what goes on behind the scenes at Carrington.
If anyone thinks they have a clear and guaranteed strategy of success is just wishful thinking. This goes for Woodward and us on this forum. I personally have no idea what's best going forward. It's really easy for us saying now with the benefit of having hindsight and understanding of a situation after it has developed. To be fair, majority of posters here were delighted with appointments of Moyes, LvG, Mourinho and Ole, initially.
If anyone thinks they have a clear and guaranteed strategy of success is just wishful thinking. This goes for Woodward and us on this forum. I personally have no idea what's best going forward. It's really easy for us saying now with the benefit of having hindsight and understanding of a situation after it has developed. To be fair, majority of posters here were delighted with appointments of Moyes, LvG, Mourinho and Ole, initially.
Well, at the time we all knew Klopp was a very good manager and the Flop thing was more in hope that he fails are Liverpool rather than anything towards him. Same way when Ole was hired rival fans pointed out getting Cardiff relegated.
However; Until 4 weeks ago alot of the fans were backing Ole because he could see what he is trying but it is now clear he is out of his depth.
The difference between Klopp's regin is that he gave hope from 6 months of taking over.. Europa League finals, attacking football, getting top 4.
Once they got the top 4 and then lost their best creative player, they signed a defender because they leaked goals, ended up the season with top 4 and Champions League Finals.
There has been a constant progression under Klopp, there seems to be nothing of sorts with Ole, that is why the fans want him out.
Jose and LVG got 2 seasons, no improvements therefore they got sacked.
Says a Hartlepool United fan who've had 14 managers in the time since United hired Moyes.
Why are we the only club out there who are expected to just stick with one manager in the blind hope it goes right?
You're probably right, but does that mean we should accept half a season of relegation form? I'd like to think our expectations have already changed significantly over the last few seasons but surely there is a limit?
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