Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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The writing seems to be on the wall. It's sad but the planning for this season was catastrophic.
I weirdly think we could get something against Liverpool- football is mental like that. It wouldn't surprise me if we then lost 4 on the bounce afterwards. Either way the Liverpool match shouldn't be deciding his fate and we also shouldn't be losing a manager to them two seasons in a row. Don't give them even more to gloat about.
I weirdly think we could get something against Liverpool- football is mental like that. It wouldn't surprise me if we then lost 4 on the bounce afterwards. Either way the Liverpool match shouldn't be deciding his fate and we also shouldn't be losing a manager to them two seasons in a row. Don't give them even more to gloat about.
I don't think the Liverpool game will decide his fate entirely. We'll probably defend so deep and raise the game just enough to keep the defeat at a respectable score. 2-0 or so but again with no clear chances created.
It's the rest of the away games in October that will trigger the axe to fall. He can't set the team up in away games to do anything but play shambolic pinball football, create nothing and lose.
Nice to see the briefings though. We don't need to sit on another doomed managerial appointment for 6 more months with no benefit.
It's the rest of the away games in October that will trigger the axe to fall. He can't set the team up in away games to do anything but play shambolic pinball football, create nothing and lose.
Nice to see the briefings though. We don't need to sit on another doomed managerial appointment for 6 more months with no benefit.
I genuinely don't think they will be. We look beaten before we even set foot on the pitch.
You said he was going to get the sack if we lost to Newcastle, still waiting for the news...
Jose was sacked after the Liverpool match last year, I can’t see it been 2 in 10 months to be honest.
So fecking what. Pointless comparison.
Are you serious?
This changes everything! #OleIn
Good news.
Ole was naive. A few bumps on the road and a proper pre season he said. If you got no plan, structure and clue, well the only way is out. Fitness wasnt saving him, thought more running would help while we are knackered and injured all the time. Treating the ball like idiots
Ole was naive. A few bumps on the road and a proper pre season he said. If you got no plan, structure and clue, well the only way is out. Fitness wasnt saving him, thought more running would help while we are knackered and injured all the time. Treating the ball like idiots
Why not? We love a historical repeat.
Solskjaer will still be an absolute legend. I will be forever grateful for his caretaker period where he dropped everything to come here and lift our spirits. He's gave it his all, for that I'm immensely grateful but, it's clearly not working anymore and we do need to move on now.
Wtf, even they're enjoying life and football post-ole
"The problem is, the players cannot see what the plan is beyond a lot of running."
Yeah we see this on the field then.
Ole needs to go.
Yeah we see this on the field then.
Ole needs to go.
Well it’s happening. Now just a matter of whether the Glazers and Ed do it tomorrow or Dec, May.
I hold no animosity towards the bloke; he’s still a club legend, and he did great in his caretaker period.
But for one reason or another his stint as manager hasn’t worked out and he looks out of his depth, it’s near enough time to go. I have no grudge or ill will towards him though.
Even Mourinho, who I still respect on some levels, I feel some dislike for the man and how he handled his time at the club. Likewise with Moyes. Both were embarrassing for the club.
LvG I still respect. He had a clear plan and philosophy but it just didn’t match us and he handled himself well.
But for one reason or another his stint as manager hasn’t worked out and he looks out of his depth, it’s near enough time to go. I have no grudge or ill will towards him though.
Even Mourinho, who I still respect on some levels, I feel some dislike for the man and how he handled his time at the club. Likewise with Moyes. Both were embarrassing for the club.
LvG I still respect. He had a clear plan and philosophy but it just didn’t match us and he handled himself well.
Looks like they'll fire him if we - and, more to the point, they - are embarrassed by Liverpool; knowing all the while that's the perfect occasion to ruthlessly throw a club legend under the bus (i.e. a heated occasion when fans are more likely to blame the boss rather than the board).
What I mean by the text above is this: yes, Ole should be gone, sadly - what I'm criticising is Woodward & co's cowardice, incompetence, untrustworthiness, and fixation on PR and optics rather than the courage of their convictions.
What I mean by the text above is this: yes, Ole should be gone, sadly - what I'm criticising is Woodward & co's cowardice, incompetence, untrustworthiness, and fixation on PR and optics rather than the courage of their convictions.
When Moyes was sacked I was thrilled (genuinely by far the happiest I’ve been as a supporter since SAF retired).
When LvG was gone I was delighted because the football was unwatchable and we weren’t improving, we were terrible in Europe and couldn’t finish in the top 4, a hard fought FA cup win against Palace wasn’t enough to keep him in the job.
When Mourinho was gone I was happy too, it went all too far by December.
When Ole would get sacked I won’t be happy one bit, I would be sad but it has to happen and I hope it happens as soon as possible, putting him through two weeks of pressure before the Liverpool match for nothing would be vicious, even if we don’t get hammered.
There’s not a positive outcome in this,
not for the club and not for Ole.
When LvG was gone I was delighted because the football was unwatchable and we weren’t improving, we were terrible in Europe and couldn’t finish in the top 4, a hard fought FA cup win against Palace wasn’t enough to keep him in the job.
When Mourinho was gone I was happy too, it went all too far by December.
When Ole would get sacked I won’t be happy one bit, I would be sad but it has to happen and I hope it happens as soon as possible, putting him through two weeks of pressure before the Liverpool match for nothing would be vicious, even if we don’t get hammered.
There’s not a positive outcome in this,
not for the club and not for Ole.
He's got to go end of discussion. Has made his position untenable. I don't care what defence deluded fans have to use as an excuse, this squad is good enough to beat the likes of Southampton, Newcastle and Palace at home. The club is in nowhere near as bad a state as fans are making out, it's just the present circumstances that change the perception. Circumstances are always temporary, when we won the europa league / domestic cup / community shield those trophies were not deemed good enough to the merit of this club despite being a form of a treble. Now we have a completely inept manager, if Solskjaer achieved what Jose did in that 2017 season then fans would ask for him to have a statue and claim him to be one of the best managers in the league. Those two realities have the exact same circumstances, that the club is under achieving but the relevancy of who's in charge plays a major key in the perception of the extent of the issue. Here's another slap to the face:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29251627
2014:
"He presented a different vision for Cardiff compared with the defensive approach of his predecessor Malky Mackay, renowned for an unspectacular, yet effective style that gained the club promotion to the Premier League in 2013"
"He may have promised a more exciting style, but under Solskjaer the Bluebirds slipped into the Premier League's bottom three for the first time and never recovered, finishing bottom.
I posted the other day that Ole is a compulsive liar, he promised Cardiff the allure of attacking football and failed. He's rinse and repeated his same sales pitch and as always will continue to fail.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29251627
2014:
"He presented a different vision for Cardiff compared with the defensive approach of his predecessor Malky Mackay, renowned for an unspectacular, yet effective style that gained the club promotion to the Premier League in 2013"
"He may have promised a more exciting style, but under Solskjaer the Bluebirds slipped into the Premier League's bottom three for the first time and never recovered, finishing bottom.
I posted the other day that Ole is a compulsive liar, he promised Cardiff the allure of attacking football and failed. He's rinse and repeated his same sales pitch and as always will continue to fail.
I don’t understand the idea of sacking him after the Liverpool game whether we get humiliated or not. Everyone knows the likely outcome of the matchup.
If Ed decides he’s gonna sack Ole, IMO, he should sit him down and tell him that things are not working out and that he will be looking for a replacement and let Ole be in charge until then.
If Ed decides he’s gonna sack Ole, IMO, he should sit him down and tell him that things are not working out and that he will be looking for a replacement and let Ole be in charge until then.
I would imagine that fans would be even more depressed, and thus lash out even more. Plus at that point it could mean United are a little closer to relegation.
The game against Liverpool will be the real SAF v FOREST game (except this time it will matter). He wins that, he'll keep his job. Winning that game shows the players believe in him and that all this press stuff is bullshit.
We ended Arsenal's 49 game unbeaten run... well..
We ended Arsenal's 49 game unbeaten run... well..
It shouldn't even need a heavy defeat to Liverpool. It's as if they operate based on image and reputation as opposed to merit.
That does seem highly likely. Of course he needs to go now, the damage is irreparable... but if they weren't waiting for a PR opportunity, they would have done the right thing & he would have been out the day after Newcastle at the latest wouldn't he?
Now they are going to wait 2 weeks until we're embarrased by Liverpool whilst everyone and their dog knows Ole's about to be sacked.
It's a very low and dishonourable way to behave.
Here's a thought, if Ole is given further time ( yes , very debatable ), would any manager be ableto identify and then get players signed if the current dynamic duo in Woodward and Judge are involved in sanctioning and remain in charge .The mantra of one signing at a time, and their undoubted capacity to pay too much to sign them in wages is legendary.
Doubt that there will be much change until we see changes in the front office, and preferably in ownership. The Glazers have not spent a cent of their own cash, just ongoing debt from the borrowing the CEO set up to get them the club. Doesn't seem the set up will encourage top line players to a club that is failing across the board.
A legendary rugby league coach here in Sydney said that success starts and finishes in the front office, if that isn't best practice then likely the manager/coach/recruitment will not have success. A truism reflected in the current Man Utd set up.
Doubt that there will be much change until we see changes in the front office, and preferably in ownership. The Glazers have not spent a cent of their own cash, just ongoing debt from the borrowing the CEO set up to get them the club. Doesn't seem the set up will encourage top line players to a club that is failing across the board.
A legendary rugby league coach here in Sydney said that success starts and finishes in the front office, if that isn't best practice then likely the manager/coach/recruitment will not have success. A truism reflected in the current Man Utd set up.
Always find it daft when people compare this current situation to when Fergie nearly got sacked in 89/90. You have to remember he had the credentials of breaking that Celtic & Rangers monopoly.
The Liverpool match could be his last especially if we get humiliated while displaying the same inept performance.
However, at the same time, I won't be surprised if the club backs him until December/January.
However, at the same time, I won't be surprised if the club backs him until December/January.
There's also the fact that - while Fergie worked out for us on that occasion - on the vast majority of occasions managers who've consistently been failing in a post tend not to go on and win 13 league titles with that club, thereby cementing their status as the greatest manager of all-time.
Indeed, paradoxical and ridiculous as it may be, if you'd been around at the time without the benefit of hindsight there'd have been a solid argument to get rid of SAF at the time, and the frustrations of fans would've been understandable. Because for every Fergie who succeeds after a bleak period there are 20 other managers who just don't.
This board would've fired SAF in his early years for sure.
And two European Cups. Aberdeen to this day are still the last team to beat Real in an European Cup final. Before he set foot here, he was a Scottish football legend. It's insane.
What pisses me off the most in this shambles is his inability or unwillingness to make drastic changes. We get humiliated by Palace, Rochdale, Newcastle, West Ham, players like Young, Lingard and Fred are still there starting. Wtf. Send them to the reserves, play the u12s if you have to shake things up. He does feck all.
I was around at that time!
The thing that made many fans keep the faith (only just; that run in 89/90 was really awful) was that every now and then we’d be blown away by a really good performance, particularly in 88/89, which showed what he and his management was capable of on a good day. The same was true of LvG; certainly in his first season, though far less in his second. Since his first three games I’ve not seen that from Ole at all.
These stats
Those stats are grim.
19th regarding dispossession. That is, the 2nd most likely to lose the ball team. It's probably a combination of lacking press resistance and having mediocre passers of the ball.
No matter the explanation, it's a mind-blowing stat for one of the top 5 most expensive squads in the world.
I wonder how the markets will react to the shit show Ole's United is serving the fans.
If this continues for another 2-3 years, Liverpool and City might overtake United as the richest English clubs in the Forbes ranking. The Glazers must be shit scared.
19th regarding dispossession. That is, the 2nd most likely to lose the ball team. It's probably a combination of lacking press resistance and having mediocre passers of the ball.
No matter the explanation, it's a mind-blowing stat for one of the top 5 most expensive squads in the world.
I wonder how the markets will react to the shit show Ole's United is serving the fans.
If this continues for another 2-3 years, Liverpool and City might overtake United as the richest English clubs in the Forbes ranking. The Glazers must be shit scared.
Ole's problem is that his head is full with cliches. He sounds reasonably well when speaking but genuine thought, critical analysis, in-depth knowledge just don't seem to be there. He's like a fan who seems knowledgeable but doesn't know much beyond cliches about high pressing, staying compact, attacking, giving the youth chances, being true to the DNA of the club, etc.
Been saying this for weeks ....Rashy&JLingz are not just the boss's good mates, they're the physical embodiment of the latest marketing and PR spin the club are using. Young, English, Academy lads that "possess the United DNA". Which apparently just means they were in the academy, forget attitude or ability.
Club is a joke.
Oles gone. The briefings and mud slinging has begun. Both sides laying the groundwork for their public image once the axe falls.
Gone the day after Liverpool.
Can we just wind back a few years to Van Gaal....
Most of you complained the football was boring.
A few of us argued Van Gaal was trying to implement a style and was maybe a couple of quality players away from achieving it.
Right or wrong?
Under Jose, most of you complained the football was boring.
A few of us argued Jose was trying to implement a style and was maybe a couple of quality players away from achieving it
Right or wrong?
You all clamoured for “passion”, “the United way”, “Rashford to be let loose”, “Pogba to be unshackled”
A few of us told you this was a bad idea, that we didn’t have the quality to play this way.
I think you all get exactly what you deserve to be honest.
Most of you complained the football was boring.
A few of us argued Van Gaal was trying to implement a style and was maybe a couple of quality players away from achieving it.
Right or wrong?
Under Jose, most of you complained the football was boring.
A few of us argued Jose was trying to implement a style and was maybe a couple of quality players away from achieving it
Right or wrong?
You all clamoured for “passion”, “the United way”, “Rashford to be let loose”, “Pogba to be unshackled”
A few of us told you this was a bad idea, that we didn’t have the quality to play this way.
I think you all get exactly what you deserve to be honest.
If Jose hadn't been so utterly miserable more people might have stuck up for him, but the way he conducted himself at the club the majority of the time was awful.
LVG was a few quality players away from getting it right, but he also bought terribly and players who simply didn't fit what he was trying to achieve.
LVG was a few quality players away from getting it right, but he also bought terribly and players who simply didn't fit what he was trying to achieve.
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