Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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Also Crystal Palace we didn’t really have any injuries either, maybe Shaw. Also I’ve seen enough of Fred now, he’s not going to turn it around, I’d rather see Andreas in a CM role. Honestly Kleberson was a better player than Fred, atleast he scored a few good goals, wth does this guy do?

It is so annoying how bad he is when we lack midfield. It was his chance to grab the position and dominate teams but so far what I have seen of him has been very poor.

He gives away way too many fouls in our defensive third and loses the ball way too often playing poor passes. He has no positive input. I thought he would turn things around but again these players have proved to be poor.
 
I can’t believe how quick and happy our fans are to start a ‘sack the manager’ campaign. It seems the majority of the lot are so used to fire fighting they have abandoned all thought on why these fires have to be put out in the first place. Disappointed by the reaction of the fans and reluctance to apportion any blame to Ed and the Glazers.
The only way we will ever succeed under this board and CEO is through a lucky managerial appointment. Years more of mediocrity await us and the fans would have played their part in it.

Do you think i feel happy wanting him to be sacked? And it’s not quickly either he’s had a long tine in charge & accomplished nothing.
No identity. No results. Nothing. Managers with less time have done better (Rogers, lampard)

Yes we keep going til we find a decent manager. That’s what every club does. You don’t stick on an awful one..
 
Do you think i feel happy wanting him to be sacked? And it’s not quickly either he’s had a long tine in charge & accomplished nothing.
No identity. No results. Nothing. Managers with less time have done better (Rogers, lampard)

Yes we keep going til we find a decent manager. That’s what every club does. You don’t stick on an awful one..

In everyday life we must keep trying and trying untill its right. Not give up in 3rd or 4th tried. But maybe Ole is the exception of life for some.
 
Do you think i feel happy wanting him to be sacked? And it’s not quickly either he’s had a long tine in charge & accomplished nothing.
No identity. No results. Nothing. Managers with less time have done better (Rogers, lampard)

Yes we keep going til we find a decent manager. That’s what every club does. You don’t stick on an awful one..

Exactly, why is everyone saying we are not patient? If performances or results were better, time would be given to ole by fans but 9 months in we are seing neither.

Rodgers picked up a team struggling to score goals with defensive mentality and lost their best player (thin squad) and are third playing well.

Lampard with transfer ban, lost best player and are in the top 4 fight.

We CHOSE to get rid of players and not replace and are in a low table fight, can't score goals.

The manager has shown nothing in the last month to turn it around, we are playing boring crap football that gets no one off their seat.

Since Chelsea we havent scored more than 2 goals... this is Manutd.
 
Exactly, why is everyone saying we are not patient? If performances or results were better, time would be given to ole by fans but 9 months in we are seing neither.

Rodgers picked up a team struggling to score goals with defensive mentality and lost their best player (thin squad) and are third playing well.

Lampard with transfer ban, lost best player and are in the top 4 fight.

We CHOSE to get rid of players and not replace and are in a low table fight, can't score goals.

The manager has shown nothing in the last month to turn it around, we are playing boring crap football that gets no one off their seat.

Since Chelsea we havent scored more than 2 goals... this is Manutd.
Simply this. Waiting for this guy to rebuild based on what? he has no clue what to do.
 
Exactly, why is everyone saying we are not patient? If performances or results were better, time would be given to ole by fans but 9 months in we are seing neither.

Rodgers picked up a team struggling to score goals with defensive mentality and lost their best player (thin squad) and are third playing well.

Lampard with transfer ban, lost best player and are in the top 4 fight.

We CHOSE to get rid of players and not replace and are in a low table fight, can't score goals.

The manager has shown nothing in the last month to turn it around, we are playing boring crap football that gets no one off their seat.

Since Chelsea we havent scored more than 2 goals... this is Manutd.

The only group of fans who have shown more patience are those of Russell Brand who are still waiting for him to deliver on his quote "All I ever wanted to do was make people laugh".
 
Simply this. Waiting for this guy to rebuild based on what? he has no clue what to do.

None whatsoever. We can talk about our thin squad as a smoke screen but the players in the reserves are on £100k too so it is not like we are playing players who are from the academy.

Leicester dont have a big squad but they can still do well.
Our squad SHOULD be good enough to create chances at home to Palace, away to Newcastle very easily

I do get that on the odd occassion you struggle to create cahnces and it is difficult but that is like 1 game in 8/9 not every single game?
 
Ole should not be sacked, but has to be! United offers no structure, no plan and Ole should do his job with a team made of deadwood, young talent, one or two stars and some big holes. Ole had to fail and he failed and will fail, because there is to much damage done. Restart the club with an idea, a DF and a new coach!
 
If the results were just "meh" (top 8 to top 4 form) people would be willing to show patience.

If our football was half decent, even regardless of results, people would be willing to show patience.

If any of the squad were improving under Ole people would show patience.

If we seemed to have a defined way of playing and a plan A and plan B there would be more patience.

If Ole looked like he knew what he was doing there'd be more patience.

If the players looked like they believed in Ole there'd be more patience.


Unfortunately, none of the above.
 
We're going to get embarrassed by Liverpool. Ole will standing on the touchline as the scousers sing his name and hold up Ole in banners like they did with Moyes. Depressing times.
 
If the results were just "meh" (top 8 to top 4 form) people would be willing to show patience.

If our football was half decent, even regardless of results, people would be willing to show patience.

If any of the squad were improving under Ole people would show patience.

If we seemed to have a defined way of playing and a plan A and plan B there would be more patience.

If Ole looked like he knew what he was doing there'd be more patience.

If the players looked like they believed in Ole there'd be more patience.


Unfortunately, none of the above.

Exactly. He has no plan of beating a team. No plan of creating chances. The football is so bad it is almost embarassing. We are 1-0 but we dont press.
 
Can we just wind back a few years to Van Gaal....

Most of you complained the football was boring.

A few of us argued Van Gaal was trying to implement a style and was maybe a couple of quality players away from achieving it.

Right or wrong?

Under Jose, most of you complained the football was boring.

A few of us argued Jose was trying to implement a style and was maybe a couple of quality players away from achieving it

Right or wrong?

You all clamoured for “passion”, “the United way”, “Rashford to be let loose”, “Pogba to be unshackled”

A few of us told you this was a bad idea, that we didn’t have the quality to play this way.

I think you all get exactly what you deserve to be honest.
Agree on LvG, though I think he lost his way in his second season; probably because of the signings not delivering.

As far as I could tell, the only time we had a style under Jose was that which was implemented by Zlatan. We never had one after he got injured.

Ole? Three games.

I have certainly never clamoured for any of the things in bold. In fact I'd go further than you in rubbishing them. What we need is not just better quality players, but also a much more directive and system-based manager. All the best modern coaches do this; none of them rely on "letting players loose".

Which is why the "dinosaur" LvG was the most modern of the lot and, despite the obvious shotcomings of his reign, the only one I've ever felt any affection for.
 
If you read matchday threads etc you will see loads of people have done this.

Manutd have not only dropped points when the players have been injured.

We dropped points V Wolves, Southamton when the players were fit.

Pogba has missed a couple games, same with AWB.

The setup:

4-3-3

You have a back 5 that selects itself
De Gea AWB Lindelof Maguire Shaw
Mctominay Fred Pogba
Rashford Martial James

Match day threads are a shitshow mate. They shouldn't be referenced.

We've played Chelsea, Wolves and Palace with a full strength squad. 3 games where we played well and poor penalties/refereeing cost us points.

Martial has missed 5 league games
Shaw 5
Pogba 3
AWB 2
Lingard 2

Everything after Palace has been played with a steadily dwindling first 11 and below average to abysmal squad depth.

We could spend all day pointing fingers at who's fault the state of the squad is, from the board, past managers or current management niavity. The fact is we need to add quality and Ole has 3 out of 3 transfers correct.

Being the club manager is about more than just selecting the starting 11. His hands may be tied in that respect, so then work on tactics and a style that's going to play to their relevant strengths.

I have no issue with Rashford, for example, continuing to being selected at the moment. Genuinely. However, it's clear as day that he needs to move out to the wide left where he is more comfortable and less under the spotlight. If he's 100% fit, as Ole claims, then his legs can do the running...

And play a 17 year old as our main forward? He'd be critised for that when it fails to.

Don't forget that Rashford as a striker is current necessity after our main strikers injury. He did start out wide.

Again, should we be starting the season with a more unproven front line than Chelsea (who couldn't recruit), probably not. But who do we point the finger at?

I don't recall us doing anything significant with a fully fit squad - both end of last season or this. Take out the Chelsea result and you would have to go back a long, long way before you could say you thought we played like a good attacking unit - which is what we were sold an idea on.

Chelsea we played well.
Wolves we played well against a tough side
We played some good football v Crystal Palace in the final third.

Things looked like a positive transition up until the Southampton game.

The lack of depth in the squad has cost us, and I was prepared to accept that reality before the season started
 
If he got sacked, or when, will he get another job in one of the big 4 leagues?
Of course not. He has a job here because he stuck his foot out in 1999. No other teams have that emotional attachment with him. He doesn't have the job because of his coaching talents.
 
Match day threads are a shitshow mate. They shouldn't be referenced.

We've played Chelsea, Wolves and Palace with a full strength squad. 3 games where we played well and poor penalties/refereeing cost us points.

Martial has missed 5 league games
Shaw 5
Pogba 3
AWB 2
Lingard 2

Everything after Palace has been played with a steadily dwindling first 11 and below average to abysmal squad depth.

We could spend all day pointing fingers at who's fault the state of the squad is, from the board, past managers or current management niavity. The fact is we need to add quality and Ole has 3 out of 3 transfers correct.



And play a 17 year old as our main forward? He'd be critised for that when it fails to.

Don't forget that Rashford as a striker is current necessity after our main strikers injury. He did start out wide.

Again, should we be starting the season with a more unproven front line than Chelsea (who couldn't recruit), probably not. But who do we point the finger at?



Chelsea we played well.
Wolves we played well against a tough side
We played some good football v Crystal Palace in the final third.

Things looked like a positive transition up until the Southampton game.

The lack of depth in the squad has cost us, and I was prepared to accept that reality before the season started


So you are saying the wheels will fall if we start missing 2/3 players?

Also, Shaw / AWB have minimal effect of us going forward where we are struggling and Pogba has played in 5 games and we have won 1 out of them.

Why is it wrong to play a 18 yr old ST when our manager came out and said he is ready. Why is it that Chelsea can start with a 19 yr old winger, PSG /France with 18 yr old ST, Dortmund and England starting 19 Yr Old?

Also Rashford has been dropped from the England line up for guess who? a 19 yr old Winger.
 
If the results were just "meh" (top 8 to top 4 form) people would be willing to show patience.

If our football was half decent, even regardless of results, people would be willing to show patience.

If any of the squad were improving under Ole people would show patience.

If we seemed to have a defined way of playing and a plan A and plan B there would be more patience.

If Ole looked like he knew what he was doing there'd be more patience.

If the players looked like they believed in Ole there'd be more patience.


Unfortunately, none of the above.
Yeah, history shows this isn't true. And we're talking 15 years of history, where from 2005 onwards there were periodic threads on here demanding Fergie be sacked when titles were not being won.
 
He finished 8th in his first season, no way you guys would have

Ole finished 6th, and only got the job because of PSG result.

You do realise you need to put things into context? Jose finished 6th in his first season and still had the job.. It is the same thing.

So yes way we would have! :lol:
 
Ole finished 6th, and only got the job because of PSG result.

You do realise you need to put things into context? Jose finished 6th in his first season and still had the job.. It is the same thing.

So yes way we would have! :lol:
I accidently quoted that post, that was from my other post that saved on my phone. I was meant to delete it while addressing something else...
 
With the (admitted) luxury of hindsight, it seems to me that Moyes was given a long contract*, and Ole a short contract, because the board lacked confidence in either manager....and knew the players would lack confidence in them too. So why on earth were they both appointed?


*A long contract sent players the message that though Moyes was an underwhelming appointment, the players had better accept him because he'd be United boss for many years. This was a tacit admission that the board themselves lacked faith in Moyes' abilities.
 
So you are saying the wheels will fall if we start missing 2/3 players?

Also, Shaw / AWB have minimal effect of us going forward where we are struggling and Pogba has played in 5 games and we have won 1 out of them.

Why is it wrong to play a 18 yr old ST when our manager came out and said he is ready. Why is it that Chelsea can start with a 19 yr old winger, PSG /France with 18 yr old ST, Dortmund and England starting 19 Yr Old?

Also Rashford has been dropped from the England line up for guess who? a 19 yr old Winger.

There isn't a problem with starting youngsters.

The problem is relying on them.

Unlike Chelsea, PSG, Dortmund and England. We wouldn't have a plan B. Mason Greenwood is plan B, thats as far as the plan goes.


AWB and Shaw offered plenty more than our alternatives, at both ends of the pitch
 
There isn't a problem with starting youngsters.

The problem is relying on them.

Unlike Chelsea, PSG, Dortmund and England. We wouldn't have a plan B. Mason Greenwood is plan B, thats as far as the plan goes.


AWB and Shaw offered plenty more than our alternatives, at both ends of the pitch

Yes, but if you go into a season knowing a 17 year old is your second choice ST, you must be naive not to know at that time that there will be a time where I need to rely on him? Especially with Martial's injury record?

Then when the time comes to start him, you don't why blame anyone?

Actually Dalot has been much better going forward than AWB.

Ole's plan is keep changing players and hope someone comes up with something special, that is not a footballing plan.
 
Yeah, history shows this isn't true. And we're talking 15 years of history, where from 2005 onwards there were periodic threads on here demanding Fergie be sacked when titles were not being won.

For managers in their first season it absolutely does hold true.

LVG and Mourinho's first seasons were both far from perfect but there was no clamouring for either of them to go because at least some of what I listed was apparent.

The only comparable United manager to Ole is Moyes anyway, because both were obviously shit appointments right out the gate. Sharing a glaring lack of experience, inability to convince or inspire good players and absence of tactical nous. This season is just a parallel of the Moyes' collapse but at 3x the speed.
 
Yes, but if you go into a season knowing a 17 year old is your second choice ST, you must be naive not to know at that time that there will be a time where I need to rely on him? Especially with Martial's injury record?

Then when the time comes to start him, you don't why blame anyone?

Actually Dalot has been much better going forward than AWB.

Ole's plan is keep changing players and hope someone comes up with something special, that is not a footballing plan.

Greenwood is third choice. We're on choice number 2 and people are saying he should be pushed wide.

Like I said earlier, it is niave to go into a season with 3 largely unproven strikers, but who's to blame?

Poor support from the board?
Poor recruitment from LVG and Jose?
Or is it all on Ole?

We don't know.


Regarding Dalot, I think you'd be right that historically he has produced some good attacking performances. Not seeing any evidence of that yet though. And if AWB is on the pitch v Newcastle, Willems and Saint Maximin don't dance through our players
 
Greenwood is third choice. We're on choice number 2 and people are saying he should be pushed wide.

Like I said earlier, it is niave to go into a season with 3 largely unproven strikers, but who's to blame?

Poor support from the board?
Poor recruitment from LVG and Jose?
Or is it all on Ole?

We don't know.


Regarding Dalot, I think you'd be right that historically he has produced some good attacking performances. Not seeing any evidence of that yet though. And if AWB is on the pitch v Newcastle, Willems and Saint Maximin don't dance through our players

LvG and Mourinho belong to the past. Ole is the manager for nearly a calendar year. We know something from his tenure here:

That it took one injury to our main striker for our plan A to disappear. Apparently, it forced our Left Winger upfront, it moved our Right Winger to the left side and it shoehorned a CAM into the right-wing.

I know of Caf Members who post diagrams with dots and arrows in every second post they make who could understand that there's something wrong with that.
 
Greenwood is third choice. We're on choice number 2 and people are saying he should be pushed wide.

Like I said earlier, it is niave to go into a season with 3 largely unproven strikers, but who's to blame?

Poor support from the board?
Poor recruitment from LVG and Jose?
Or is it all on Ole?

We don't know.


Regarding Dalot, I think you'd be right that historically he has produced some good attacking performances. Not seeing any evidence of that yet though. And if AWB is on the pitch v Newcastle, Willems and Saint Maximin don't dance through our players

So for Mourinho and LVG it was their poor recruitment but for Ole it's the poor support from the board ? Is there any obvious example he's treated by some way different from the previous managers ?
 
Greenwood is third choice. We're on choice number 2 and people are saying he should be pushed wide.

Like I said earlier, it is niave to go into a season with 3 largely unproven strikers, but who's to blame?

Poor support from the board?
Poor recruitment from LVG and Jose?
Or is it all on Ole?

We don't know.


Regarding Dalot, I think you'd be right that historically he has produced some good attacking performances. Not seeing any evidence of that yet though. And if AWB is on the pitch v Newcastle, Willems and Saint Maximin don't dance through our players
What we don't know? Are you kidding me? Blaming Jose and LvG that we started THIS season the state we did?

Who is in charge since more than 9 months and during TWO transfer windows?
Have LvG and Jose started a season with 17 years old as 2nd or at push 3rd choice striker?
Under which manager we sold a 75m striker and who we didn't replace?
Under who we sent on loan another experienced forward who also can play as a striker?

These excuses are hilarious.
 
I don't know what is Ole strategy of breaking down teams (weak teams) and what is his philosophy against strong team. Nobody is making runs because midfielders are not attempting to find them. Attackers and midfielders are static making teams easy to defend. City and Liverpool players are running everywhere, passing and moving. Waiting for the run and making that killer pass. I don't even have confident that our current squad can beat Brighton, Burnley, Aston Villa or Southampton. Let alone the top 4 side. Ole better get ready for a relegation battle and likely get sack in Dec if he is hovering 13-15 position in the table.
 
Ole needs to take responsibility. No hiding, he is paid to do the job just like any other. If you take on a role in such a club then there are expectation. If you cannot meet the expectation then you will be sack. His target is probably top 4(Ed and the club needs it) or win the Europe league to qualify for champion league by backdoor. It is unlikely Ole can do it so he will be sack once we are out of both. It may not be immediate but definitely end of the season.
 
Moyes sacking? He should have been sacked in early December after back to back home defeats. Everyone knew he was out of his depth at that stage. He got 5 months more than he should have.

LVG? No. I wanted Klopp.

LVG sacking? He should have been sacked around Oct 2015 when we were going week after week without creating any chances never mind scoring. At the very latest he should have been shown the door the moment he got eliminated from the CL group. He got 7-8 months more than he should have.

Jose appointment? No. I wanted Pep. If we had acted early enough with the LVG sacking we could have maybe had a chance with Pep.

Jose extension? No. Why the feck give him an extension when he still had half of his original contract left?

Jose sacking? He should have been booted straight after those embarrassing performances against Sevilla. He got 8-9 months more than he should have.

Anyone that claims that they weren't excited by the signings of Di Maria, Pogba etc. is lying. As supporters all you can do is get behind the signings and hope for the best. You'd hope the club would do some background research and critical thinking before signing players though. Why would Bayern sell a club legend to us for peanuts? Why would Chelsea sell us a midfielder that had been a key part of their title win just months earlier? Why were Arsenal that desperate to get rid of their best attacker that they did a straight swap with us for a far inferior player? What was the reasoning behind paying an extreme fee for a guy from the Ukrainian league?

Woodward has been the red herring through our demise since 2013. As a Woodward apologist it must be tough to take but that's the reality.

Fantasy. We tried for Klopp and Pep and neither were interested. So that’s a bit like me saying “I never wanted Moyes I just wanted SAF to stay on and for us to re-sign Ronaldo”

I’m not apologising for Woodward, I’ve been one of his biggest critics on this forum. I’m actually highlighting that IF Woodward again demonstrates his impulsiveness and inability to see a job through (indicative of our fanbase) then this would just be another big error of judgement to add to the list

Point is, Woodward needs to stop behaving like a fan and start behaving like a CEO
 
Greenwood is third choice. We're on choice number 2 and people are saying he should be pushed wide.

Like I said earlier, it is niave to go into a season with 3 largely unproven strikers, but who's to blame?

Poor support from the board?
Poor recruitment from LVG and Jose?
Or is it all on Ole?

We don't know.


Regarding Dalot, I think you'd be right that historically he has produced some good attacking performances. Not seeing any evidence of that yet though. And if AWB is on the pitch v Newcastle, Willems and Saint Maximin don't dance through our players

It is just a blame game at the moment.

I think Ole's tactically naive because we are weak going forward therefore would you not just change the system to suit the players you have?

I know not many people will like this but Newcastle away you probably want to make sure you don't make your defence weak, we know Dalot is suspect defensively.

He needs to tinker a little to see e.g.

3 at the back

Maguire Tuanzebe Rojo
Dalot Mctominay Fred Young
Perreira / mata
Greenwood Rashford

Rashford likes to drift to LW and Greenwood to RW and Mata likes to make runs into the box.

Try something different?
 
None whatsoever. We can talk about our thin squad as a smoke screen but the players in the reserves are on £100k too so it is not like we are playing players who are from the academy.

Leicester dont have a big squad but they can still do well.
Our squad SHOULD be good enough to create chances at home to Palace, away to Newcastle very easily

I do get that on the odd occassion you struggle to create cahnces and it is difficult but that is like 1 game in 8/9 not every single game?

We created multiple chances against both of those teams but were unable to convert them. We've been guilty of this for years.
 
LvG and Mourinho belong to the past. Ole is the manager for nearly a calendar year. We know something from his tenure here:

That it took one injury to our main striker for our plan A to disappear. Apparently, it forced our Left Winger upfront, it moved our Right Winger to the left side and it shoehorned a CAM into the right-wing.

I know of Caf Members who post diagrams with dots and arrows in every second post they make who could understand that there's something wrong with that.

So for Mourinho and LVG it was their poor recruitment but for Ole it's the poor support from the board ? Is there any obvious example he's treated by some way different from the previous managers ?

What we don't know? Are you kidding me? Blaming Jose and LvG that we started THIS season the state we did? Who is in charge since 9 months and during TWO transfer windows? Have LvG and Jose started a season with 17 years old as 2nd or at push 3rd choice striker?

Taken out of context to suit your narrative, but okay.

What I'm getting at is, we don't know what funds or promises were given to him on the start of his role.

Has he vetoed a striker? We don't know.
Was the funds available to him? We don't know.
Have we a striker lined up in Jan? We don't know
Why didn't we go for Llorente? We don't know
Did he have any input in the final stages of Lukaku's departure when it looked likely we wouldn't be getting a replacement? We don't know. (because in May, 95% of the fan base agreed Lukaku had to go)

I don't blame LVG. I don't blame Jose. Everyone knows that the problem is deeper at the club. Again we don't know what the actual problem is. But one thing we can say with certainty - is that our recruitment policy has been dire in all aspects.

Funnily enough, the one area where it hasn't been poor, was this seasons window. Which is a small step in the right direction.

And after 7 years and 4 managers worth of backwards and sideways steps, I'm resigned to accept these baby steps as something positive.

Ole does have to go. But the time isn't right and with no clear alternative or plan - doing it before January would sum up thus train wreck of a club and how its being run
 
It is just a blame game at the moment.

I think Ole's tactically naive because we are weak going forward therefore would you not just change the system to suit the players you have?

I know not many people will like this but Newcastle away you probably want to make sure you don't make your defence weak, we know Dalot is suspect defensively.

He needs to tinker a little to see e.g.

3 at the back

Maguire Tuanzebe Rojo
Dalot Mctominay Fred Young
Perreira / mata
Greenwood Rashford

Rashford likes to drift to LW and Greenwood to RW and Mata likes to make runs into the box.

Try something different?

I understand what your saying. But time has gone for tinkering at such a scale.

And like you said, imagine rocking up at Newcastle with a back 5, and then drawing cause we can't create. This place would be in meltdown.

Your right, he does seem tactically niave. Unfortunately we have to suck it up and continue, as the most coherent plan for the club, also happens to be Ole's plan. We have to hope it clicks, give him the season and start lining up a suitable replacement
 
We created multiple chances against both of those teams but were unable to convert them. We've been guilty of this for years.

Multiple? like 2/3 chances is not good enough.

We need to create 6/7 chances a game.
 
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