We are not attempting to play counter attacking football as our main style in my opinion.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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We are not attempting to play counter attacking football as our main style in my opinion.
No we are pressing real well. The one man Rashford press is genius.
We are. The only problem is the opposition tell us it’s okay have the ball.
The best I seen of this plan was when we played Madrid at Old Trafford (Nani red card) we gave them the ball and they was useless it was only until Nani got sent off and Modric came on to actually show them how to use the ball without counter attack as to why we lost.
That was then we are now what 10 years on and why are still trying to play this Mourinho way.
Do you understand what coaching is?
Lets forget about coaching. Lets ask what we are doing in training. Ole has had 10 months with this squad. His teams still can't
- Put a passing move together
- Put pinpoint crosses to the CF, or atleast the CF never knows where to expect a cross
- Attack as a cohesive unit, meaning none of the front four actually knows whats going to happen next
You talk about Matic unable to pass the ball. Have you ever witnessed that majority except for Pogba never make themselves available for an easy pass? We have a coward in Lingard, and there are acres of space in our midfield whenever one of our midfielders has possession. This results in mostly diagonal passes, sideways or backward passing. We don't play with triangles. Again, easily seen that there is feck all coaching.
We aren't qualified to be coaches but we atleast have witnessed enough football to see if a team is playing with a plan. So keep the FM stuff to yourselves and stop insulting avid watchers of the game.
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I never said that the parameters i talked about qualify as good coaching params. Its the basics that we can't do. And if the basics is something the players can't do then there's something wrong with the coach and his coaching methods.
And you talk about players not being top drawer. Do you need players worth 800m to beat the likes of Rochdale on penalties? Good luck explaining that.
I dont know if he is offensive or defensive. .
Which patterns would you like to see instilled?
This crap again. Okay.. flip it.. what patterns of play can you see?
I wasn't having a go, it's a genuine question.
On the Caf I think it's fair to say that phrases like attacking patterns are mentioned fairly often.
If so, I'm assuming that people know what attacking patterns are, and if I ask I can get an answer, is that unfair?
If you're of the opinion that we can't see any patterns of play as you put it, which would you like to see implemented going forward?
I honestly think even the higher ups know he won’t make it in here, they’re just delaying the inevitable (and fecking up our season in the process) just so it wouldn’t make them look “classless” and stupid for hiring him in the first place.
The team has gone backwards, he’s talking about improvement but there is only regression, pull the fecking plug.
The team has gone backwards, he’s talking about improvement but there is only regression, pull the fecking plug.
It is unfair as not many on here are coaches.. so to explain patterns you would have to be a coach. However we can all view Guardiola’s football and see a pattern of play that is consistent. Hell Fergie’s last couple of years our pattern of play was Scholes to Valencia and deliver to Rooney. That was the pattern but sounds very basic.. I’m sure there is a well rehearsed pattern for how that worked though. Just don’t expect to see it here on redcafe from your everyday poster.
So unless you have a coached answer to his response. Why ask the question? Just seems very snidely. But just my opinion.
That's fair enough, you don't know.
If you don't know about patterns of play, or attacking patterns or however it's dressed up, maybe don't mention them?
I certainly wouldn't call people snidely for asking posters to back up their opinions.
None of us are managers either, but we certainly seem happy to point out when they're doing a bad/good job and why that is.
Hated Carra as a player, but he has my respect as a pundit.
Love it, you put that colossal idiot in his place
Now it's suddenly not fair when we ask people to back up their big talk. If you feel that you can judge someone on their job, but can't even begin to propose an alternative outside of "hurr durr, we need a new manager" and you ignore all the context within which the said manager is working in, then perhaps you just wait and see what happens?
You put anyone in charge of this squad, they really aren't going to do much better. When you look at us position by position, the only two positions we have depth in is GK and CB. Seriously, what do you expect?
Who's Cruijff ?
.. I believe you meant CRUYFF!Yup such players are really hard to get a tune out of. Think about it logically, what can you really say to them to motivate them?
And when there's 4 or 5 of such on the pitch, what hope do you have?
I genuinely think Ole is just trying to survive the season, and can't wait to continue his clearout of players. That's probably why some of his press conferences are so cliche with regards to those players. I reckon he's already binned them in his head (as we all have) and they probably know it.
Completely agree with this. There is no point beating Ole with stick when the problem goes much deeper. We need to focus our blame on Ed and the board. Yes, it's easy to change a manager than the clubs structure but in our case we have been changing managers like one time use plastic bags and it's getting us no where.
Here is what Livepools CEO talked on World Football Summit held this week about the club and their structure.
Look at how much that's going on at Livepool and compare it with what we have. Even before the names are presented to Klopp, so much work is being put on the players analysis using data science.
Even if we change manager and get Potch i cannot see how we're going to become world beaters all of a sudden. I know Ole is not the right answer but if you think just replacing him and keeping our club's structure as it is would suddenly turn this sinking ship then i've got news for you.
The guy has some issues processing any sort of coherent argument, mate. Best to just ignore and smile as he stumbles his way through simple English statements.What a fecking analysis
It was in the first three months of Ole's reign. It has been anything but since then, not even in the games we have won this season.
We are also happy to call football players shite but last time I checked non of us play premier league. So what’s your point?
It’s not a case of not knowing it’s a case of paring off someone’s answer because they are not a coach. Don’t ask someone to describe a pattern of play when most people only know words like Tika taka; high press or Jurgen Press. I mean what terms of play have you ever heard of? Triangles?
What a fecking analysis
I’m convinced your as dumb as Andy Tate..
Atleast beat the likes of Rochdale and Astana comfortably? I am pretty sure they are a league or two below our level. Or is that too much if may i ask?Love it, you put that colossal idiot in his place
Now it's suddenly not fair when we ask people to back up their big talk. If you feel that you can judge someone on their job, but can't even begin to propose an alternative outside of "hurr durr, we need a new manager" and you ignore all the context within which the said manager is working in, then perhaps you just wait and see what happens?
You put anyone in charge of this squad, they really aren't going to do much better. When you look at us position by position, the only two positions we have depth in is GK and CB. Seriously, what do you expect?
The lack of offensive coaching is reflected in the amount of tap-ins we have scored this season: 0
City and Liverpool score many because they know how to penetrate a defense.
City and Liverpool score many because they know how to penetrate a defense.
Ouch, the irony of that will sting.
You’re r still at it? I preferred it when you was calling me babe.
This is the same Liverpool who were a running joke with their mythical "transfer committee" with the money they wasted after selling Torres and Suarez. A good manager covers a multitude of sins. Just look at us when Fergie was here with the Glazers in charge, or Pep at City covering for Soriano and Begiristain.
The same people who were in charge of Liverpool during those fallow times, are still there now. The only change is that they actually have a good manager.
Also, @Nikelesh Reddy you're hilarious if you think the likes of Tuchel or Poch would come here. We're the very definition of a poisoned chalice with a board who have no interest in the sporting sphere. No one would be willing to risk their reputation working under these constraints.
Who's Cruijff ?
I meant Cruijff. You should at least check the correct spelling and pronunciation before commenting. He is Dutch and his name is Hendrik Johannes Cruijff.
Considering the quality of your posts it doesn't really matter what you're convinced of
I mean, jesus christ the level of some people in here, feck me sideways.
I think that's down to Rashford. Martial has scored tap-ins, and Greenwood has had those opportunities multiple times per game.
Rashford's movement is just very poor in the 6 yard box, and thus all Dan James' and AWB's cut-backs go to waste.
Ofcourse there has.
Considering the quality of your posts it doesn't really matter what you're convinced of
I mean, jesus christ the level of some people in here, feck me sideways.
Same for you. Haven’t seen you make a good point in here yet.
Your're right, Martial did score that one tap-in on opening weekend. But the larger point holds true that United don't get behind teams enough and that is certainly down to the coaching team. Also, if Rashford is missing the same kind of chances repeatedly, then whose responsibility is it to improve him?
Or maybe it's because they've been coached by the same world class coach for years and they've assembled a world class squad in that period whereas we have to make do with the likes of Lingard and Pereira. Their backup players are better than our A-team. Their youth players are probably about equal. I mean, Greenwood is better than Lingard and Pereira and he's just a kid. The state of our squad is a shambles. Both midfield and attack need serious upgrades. And then there's our injuries. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there's no better coaches out there than the ones we have, I just don't think that's our main issue.
You've missed the point yet again. Just go through that squad, man for man. Is that in any way shape or form, fit for purpose? Last season's squad finished 6th for example, and we literally took a hacksaw to it over the summer with only limited investment into it. I repeat the question, what do you lot expect? With injuries to players in key positions, we have to resort to playing players out of position and call up youngsters who barely have 90 minutes of first team experience between them. It's not exactly rocket science. We still created enough clear chances, and restricted the opposition to feck all to such an extent, across both games to have won by 5 or 6. That we didn't is down to poor finishing rather than Ole himself. If you can't see that, then you're either being disengenous, or you don't know the difference between a poor plan and the poor execution of a plan. The former is the fault of the manager; the latter, the players. Was it amazing? No, but when we have injuries that mean we have to resort to playing the likes of Mata and Matic or a bunch of untested kids, we don't really have much choice but to deal with it.
Also, while I'm here, why not ask the same question of Poch who couldn't beat the likes of Olympiakos and Colchester, let alone comfortably? The dream appointment for many of you... Which sums up the joke that is the outlook of people like yourself on the issue. Sack Ole and replace him with someone who actually has an even worse set of results since March, and that too with a squad that he spent 5 years building and a stronger squad full stop.
It's like you people learnt nothing from the Jose episode.
I wonder if Real will be as patient with Zidane? He won them 3 champions league as manager and won them a 4th as a player. Hmmm I wonder...
Poch, Nagglesman, Tuchel as some have already said.
Ole’s a wonderful guy but no thanks. Had enough. Reminds me of Moyes the way he just sits there like a sad puppy.
Thanks for the effort and offer him a club embassador contract. Done. Great stuff. United DNA check.
Demote the coaches to the youth side since they like to bang on about it so much.
Poch, Nagglesman, Tuchel as some have already said.
Ole’s a wonderful guy but no thanks. Had enough. Reminds me of Moyes the way he just sits there like a sad puppy.
Thanks for the effort and offer him a club embassador contract. Done. Great stuff. United DNA check.
Demote the coaches to the youth side since they like to bang on about it so much.
There is no disputing the fact that those teams have better players. But things like making runs in behind (and not standing waiting to receive the ball), a higher pressing level and pushing the full-backs higher up - ironically all things that the team did in Ole's first few months - has completely disappeared. That is down to coaching.
Himself and the coaching staff for sure, but he will improve. Remember, it hasn't been very long. Only a few games.
If you're looking for instant improvement it won't come, because if that were the case then every manager would simply 'instantly improve' their players. Give it the whole season at least (and probably another half-season if we're being realistic), and if he's still not able to take up those positions, then you can start asking questions.
Well it wasn’t always Lingard and Pereira but that’s what we trimmed it down to. There was a point in time where we had 5 CM’s and 3 experienced strikers.
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