The performances have been massively exaggerated. You hear it all the time in this thread that the players can't keep up his supposed style. The reality is that Ole does not have a specific style, he barely even talks about style, he's not the type of coach to have an overarching system. He focuses more on the mental aspects while giving a defensive structure to work from, which is learnt from SAF (he was not obsessed over tactics, it was more about playing with the right mentality).
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The performances have been massively exaggerated. You hear it all the time in this thread that the players can't keep up his supposed style. The reality is that Ole does not have a specific style, he barely even talks about style, he's not the type of coach to have an overarching system. He focuses more on the mental aspects while giving a defensive structure to work from, which is learnt from SAF (he was not obsessed over tactics, it was more about playing with the right mentality).
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer will have my total support from day one until the very end. He's a United legend and, frankly, he could get us relegated and it wouldn't nullify the 126 goals, the Treble, the league titles etc. Not going to blame him for the fact the team is wetting the bed just because of a little pressure. Past Man Utd teams had to deal with the pressure of title run ins year in year out. Our lot look like they're on the verge of a nervous breakdown chasing the bloody top four.
I had the same opinion under Mourinho: a lot of these players aren't tough enough to cope with being United players. They might do better with more natural leadership on the pitch, if you took some of these and put them into a Barca team or a Juve team there'd be enough strength around them to carry them. However, in the main, there's a mental fragility in the dressing room. Now the heat is really on we've got half a team that struggle to pass the ball to each other under very little pressure, a team running down blind alleys or trying to duck the responsibility of taking shots in case they miss.
The only way Ole could change that is if he becomes Paul McKenna.
I had the same opinion under Mourinho: a lot of these players aren't tough enough to cope with being United players. They might do better with more natural leadership on the pitch, if you took some of these and put them into a Barca team or a Juve team there'd be enough strength around them to carry them. However, in the main, there's a mental fragility in the dressing room. Now the heat is really on we've got half a team that struggle to pass the ball to each other under very little pressure, a team running down blind alleys or trying to duck the responsibility of taking shots in case they miss.
The only way Ole could change that is if he becomes Paul McKenna.
What? He actually had very good record with Molde. Strange to quote that as an example of him being terrible.
Nice link and a good reminder
Lot of things to change. Rome wasn't built in a day. He's still performing really well.
We are struggling since Herrera is out mate.
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Seems to me that Ole is all about playing up to fans romanticism with the nice words but once I look past all that and focus just on the performances, I'm not impressed at all. We play like pure rubbish. At this point, we don't even look like a football team.
We seem to go from game to game, hoping to get lucky. I can't see any clear patterns to our play. (This has gone to pot since LVG)
I'm hoping this will change in the summer when we have a clear out but I'm not holding my breath after the renewed contracts to Young & Jones.
In short, I don't have high hopes for next season. I think him & the staff are just bluffers.
He actually did say that he is not the one who does most of the coaching. So we are relying on Carrick and McKenna to compete against actual top EPL coaches. No wonder we get dominated at home by teams like West Ham.
Even if that is the main reason, it’s not exactly reassuring if he is off to PSG at the end of the season.
Managers and coaches are as good as the players, if the players are clueless without the ball and are lazy in terms of workrate there is not much a manager can do in 3months to change it.
Check back in 4 games' time.
Ole comes across a very intelligent person and he should be honestly assessing this squad in private and plan for the future
* Get Rid of so many Average players(Approx 8 Players)
* Dont offer ransom to squad players as it becomes difficult to offload them
* Decide on playing style and Scout players who got hunger to prove and also fit into our style rather going for Big names on Big wages
* Dont bend over our backs in offering massive wages to any players above a substantial salary (when Sadio Mane is on 90K a week but Lingard is on 100K/ Matic on 180K explains our clubs incapability in handling contracts)
* Get Rid of so many Average players(Approx 8 Players)
* Dont offer ransom to squad players as it becomes difficult to offload them
* Decide on playing style and Scout players who got hunger to prove and also fit into our style rather going for Big names on Big wages
* Dont bend over our backs in offering massive wages to any players above a substantial salary (when Sadio Mane is on 90K a week but Lingard is on 100K/ Matic on 180K explains our clubs incapability in handling contracts)
Our expectations are down the drain if that's considered a good performance now.
I believe he will stay in the end, I have no faith in the club management that they can let a player go on a free and splash the cash to get the enough depth and quality we need in midfield all at once. Hence we will offer him a contract and find a solution in contractual issues.
He has a massive job in the summer.
From squad retooling to tactical work.
From squad retooling to tactical work.
If he's anywhere near the top 2 by the end of the season he's done a brilliant job.
Some were incredibly naive in thinking Ole is SAF-lite. He is a normal manager that will function based on the players at his disposal. A manager like him is part of a revolving door of managers that clubs like Bayern and Barcelona do. They have a good understanding of tactics, can motivate players and with a good set of players can win things. He is a competent coach, but not a miracle worker.
Were clueless at everything at the minute though. I wonder what we do in training. Him being here 3 months is no excuse. For instance, LVG had us drilled much more confidently within a few weeks of pre-season. So it can be done if you have competent coaches.
The post said “semi-decent”. You’re deluding yourself if that kind of performance against Barcelona isn’t at least semi-decent.
How the feck has Poch proved himself? He's won nothing, his team has been playing even worse than us recently and he's also never managed a "big" team.
I just wish people would stop whinging and whining about Ole when he's not had a chance to make any changes whatsoever to the team/squad.
Some of the posters on here really do act like spoiled children who've had their toys taken away.
Who is a miracle worker now days?
The difference is at those other clubs they have a great structure in place supporting the managers, which is why they can move between managers without any upheaval. We don't have that, and unfortunately it's that reason why I believe Ole will fail. Only one man could take on so responsibility of managing the entire footballing structure of a club and make it a success, and he's been retired for 6 years. Until we get that sorted we're doomed to keep failing imo.
Going to get my Knife out. Fecking garbage from Ole today.
What was our tactics today? Fred was the only player capable of playing in midfield and midfield was crying for McT. It was almost like 1 against 3 man midfield .
Rojo was a disaster as FB. Yes, I understand we had zero options but Darmian was not even on the bench? Why the hell he didn't move Dalot to left and handle Anderson ? Rojo against Anderson was like our old Evra- Lennon days.
What the hell was that substitutions?
This is going to end in tears guys. I will repeat what I have been saying - he really look clueless when it comes to dominating the opposition.
What was our tactics today? Fred was the only player capable of playing in midfield and midfield was crying for McT. It was almost like 1 against 3 man midfield .
Rojo was a disaster as FB. Yes, I understand we had zero options but Darmian was not even on the bench? Why the hell he didn't move Dalot to left and handle Anderson ? Rojo against Anderson was like our old Evra- Lennon days.
What the hell was that substitutions?
This is going to end in tears guys. I will repeat what I have been saying - he really look clueless when it comes to dominating the opposition.
Not true. SAF brought about improvements straight away, and maintained them for nearly two seasons. The problem for the two or three seasons thereafter was a lack of consistency, which took a complete culture/mentality change to rectify.
It's the lack of playing style that's discouraging. The other managers have raised the bar so high that you can't expect to show up and turn other teams over week in week out without it. Absolutely this lot aren't good enough but there still needs to be a style being implemented. Leaving attacking talent to just figure it out isn't going to beat Pep or Klopp over a season
It's mental that people are getting into a frenzy over a game in mid April right after an massive Champions League fixture and just after another one? How many times has that defence played together before? Zero? How many times has that midfield played together before? Zero? And the attack? Once or twice?
This time of your you have to take gambles and prioritise. It's a scrappy win but we got over the line, we were due it after Arsenal and Wolves.
This time of your you have to take gambles and prioritise. It's a scrappy win but we got over the line, we were due it after Arsenal and Wolves.
Judge him now, no one is telling you otherwise. I just don't believe the team is the best and he hasn't even bought anyone in yet to make the team his (January isn't the best time to sign a player).
The squad is still the issue. Do we have a consistent outfield player? a 7 good games out of 10 player? Do we have a genuine world class attacking talent? The teams around us have those whilst we have potential and a bunch of misfits. I can't even name a consistent player we have and its been the case for 3 managers now.
They are a dying breed. It may be heresy but LVG and Mou were close to that and I have a feeling that their tenures will be some of our most successful for a while.
I agree with every bit of that. Ole is not perfect but you don't need a perfect manager to be at the top. He got Pogba playing at the highest level since he came here, has a good points per game record, he understands the culture of the club. There are some good qualities about him, but he can get his tactics wrong, is slow to make subs but better players help overcome his flaws.
Massive task for any manager in the world.
I know Mourinho's negativity was unbearable at times but he spoke a lot of truths regarding our players.
Is Ole the man to turn the club's fortunes around?, I very much doubt it.
I know Mourinho's negativity was unbearable at times but he spoke a lot of truths regarding our players.
Is Ole the man to turn the club's fortunes around?, I very much doubt it.
Okay the players need to be cleared off that's for sure. I'm not sure about him being a competent coach relative to our expectations though. Since he took Spurs by surprise (which we probably should have lost), has he come up with any similar ideas since then? I can't say he has. That's worrying for me. He needs to show he's capable of competing vs the top end coaches. Even Pellegrini manages mid-table West-Ham nowadays. It's no walk in the park. He's not going to get by on romanticism alone.
'Bringing greenwood on and hoping he would produce a “fairytale” moment is about as tactical as olly can get. So clueless'
Ok this is copied and pasted from another forum, and a bit harsh, but it does seem quite apt just now, he is struggling, and just seems to be doing what he thinks the fans want, or SAF would do in the hope it works, and it's not.
He really needs to get them going again, so we have CL, and have some real positively going in to next season.
Ok this is copied and pasted from another forum, and a bit harsh, but it does seem quite apt just now, he is struggling, and just seems to be doing what he thinks the fans want, or SAF would do in the hope it works, and it's not.
He really needs to get them going again, so we have CL, and have some real positively going in to next season.
This is a very good point. We're back to how we looked under Jose, i.e. clueless in attack. In his early days we attacked with purpose, and worked hard at it. Now we don't, and look lazy. Maybe the players would try harder if they had a better idea of what they were supposed to be doing?
Given the extent to which they are micro-managed in academies these days, I'm not sure that players can handle too much licence to do what they want. That doesn't mean Jose-type stifling; they need direction though.
It's threads like these that make me think the toxic boom-bust entitled attitude that comes after a period of success just is totally incurable and clubs aren't going to see any success with it until that generation of the fanbase die off or get too old to have any influence over the atmosphere around the club. It happened at Liverpool and they're finally coming out of the shadows a bit. God knows how long it will take for this lot.
And if a manager is out of his depth, delegates his coaching duties to others, and prefers to 'observe' on the training ground instead, then the players would look clueless on the pitch. The performances on the pitch is the product of what is done on the training ground.
Maybe the footprint we saw at the start was McKenna's and Carrick's, and not Ole's at all? McKenna is supposed to be a wizard attacking coach; either he isn't, or he's not being allowed to do his stuff any longer.
Jesus christ, bringing young attacking players on to try and win the game (and winning it) isn't good enough now? How happy were you when it was Fellaini coming on?
Bringing on Rashford and Greenwood was literally the right thing to do tactically in that situation. Of all the things to moan about that has to be the most utterly, incomprehensibly stupid.
Fergie used to delegate his coaching duties as well. Plenty of managers actually do that.
As does Klopp. In fact pretty much every successful manager doesn't directly handle the training duties because clubs can afford larger teams of coaching staff to allow them to take an overview of proceedings rather than have to watch from right in the middle.
But we just had a scrappy win, so feck logic. If he's not chasing players round with a stick then he must not be doing his job properly.
I don't know what happened after the PSG game but suddenly, our players look like they're strangers on the pitch.
Hopefully Ole gets rid of some of the deadwood and reinvigorates the team.
Hopefully Ole gets rid of some of the deadwood and reinvigorates the team.
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