I can remember Liverpool’s most delusional fans saying the exact same thing when they were rock bottom.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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I can remember Liverpool’s most delusional fans saying the exact same thing when they were rock bottom.
The expectations are different when you have one of the highest wage budgets and spend in Europe though.
We’ve spent 900m or something ridiculous and are now one of the biggest sporting brands in the world, pretty hard to justify finishing 13th,11th,11th in 4 years.
Yes. Appoint a bad manager and he will turn a champions side to one not making top 6.
Appoint even worse manager and he will break all sorts of negative records whilst also wander midtable.
Solution? Keep the worse manager because there's literally no other manager in the world being able to work with those supposedly shit players.
Glaring observation:
Why do we still have such a disconnect between our midfield 2 and #10? Pogba should be in #10 and the two other midfielders behind him. There were moments in the previous games where for 3-5 minutes we had the #10 dropping lower to help the midfield two create play and it resulted in our best chances of the game. Instead of recycling possession between the back 4 in our own half we should be recycling possession between our #10,6,8 in their half of the center circle. This allows our fullbacks to detach from the back 4 (cuz they're now not involved in the ball retention at the back 4) and push forward. This, in turn, pulls their wingers back to cover them. This now enables our wingers to have some room to play with as their defenders are worried about the overlap. Now we're in true attacking transition. We are able to overload the wings. We are able to play one-twos in the channels. Our striker is able to stretch defenses around.
Unfortunately, we are choosing to disconnect #10 from the midfield two (or in today's case disconnect the #8 and #10 from the #6 completely) and therefore keeping the ball between the back 4 and the holding midfielder. You won't cause any danger that way.
Just by virtue of having the ball recycled in their final 1/3 means we will get goals because of Greenwood.
Why do we still have such a disconnect between our midfield 2 and #10? Pogba should be in #10 and the two other midfielders behind him. There were moments in the previous games where for 3-5 minutes we had the #10 dropping lower to help the midfield two create play and it resulted in our best chances of the game. Instead of recycling possession between the back 4 in our own half we should be recycling possession between our #10,6,8 in their half of the center circle. This allows our fullbacks to detach from the back 4 (cuz they're now not involved in the ball retention at the back 4) and push forward. This, in turn, pulls their wingers back to cover them. This now enables our wingers to have some room to play with as their defenders are worried about the overlap. Now we're in true attacking transition. We are able to overload the wings. We are able to play one-twos in the channels. Our striker is able to stretch defenses around.
Unfortunately, we are choosing to disconnect #10 from the midfield two (or in today's case disconnect the #8 and #10 from the #6 completely) and therefore keeping the ball between the back 4 and the holding midfielder. You won't cause any danger that way.
Just by virtue of having the ball recycled in their final 1/3 means we will get goals because of Greenwood.
If only football was that easy that you just had to turn up because of how much you were 'worth'.
Chong would barely get a game in league 2.
Apparently next year is our year. We just need to spend some more and let Ole work with the squad an bring his own players.
If Pep was the coach, you would see Pep's imprint on the team, they just wouldn't be successful. However, that is not the criticism labeled at Ole. What about the football do you like? Is it the coordinated pressing that doesn't exist? Is it the movement of the players? Is it the passing game's pace?
This cannot be repeated enough. He oversaw 18+ months of significant improvement before that season, and during it the problem was inconsistency (brilliant one game, awful the next) rather than simply looking clueless all the time like we do right now.
Finally you get it. It’s obvious that any manager needs at least 17 transfer windows to implement his ideas and obviously every manager deserves to get at least that. It’s a process and being shite is just a part of it. If you disagree, you are obviously entitled gloryhunter and should just feck off.
7 goals from open play in 810 mins of football against Huddersfield, Cardiff, Wolves, Crystal Palace, Southampton, West Ham, Leicester, Astana and Rochdale. Tell me how is he an attacking manager ?
the good old 'their keeper had a stormer' excuse. Every second game the opponents keeper apparently has a stormer on here, it isnt our shit finishing of course. 31 shots and 8 on target, definitely the keeper turning into Yashin and saving some piss poor excuses of shots
It's no coincidence that the one player that we've added in attack in the last 3 years (that isn't Sanchez) looks our most dangerous player, and he came from the championship.
Absolutely, it’s not even “his team” yet.
Every manager needs to buy at least 20 players before we can judge him.
I remember Jim Leighton was letting him down as well. Finally got Les Sealey in and we looked solid and won both cups.
Anyone who thinks Solskjaer will be a long term success is deluded. He's proving more and more he doesn't deserve time.
It's not about being a classy supporter, or even being delusional. I know that we're shit but you know what, it doesn't take a toll on me at all. Cos it's a fecking game. And I say this as someone who goes to pretty much every game, home and away.
Some of you need some perspective if you're going to burst blood vessels over a 1-1 draw with fecking Rochdale. Seriously, who gives a feck? It's not as if 95% of you spent money on, or travelled to the game to actually have any sense of loss over it, so why bother?
Just look forward to the next game and hope for a better day. That's literally what every other team's fans do.
I don't know if Ole is the right man for the job, but I'm much more invested in his long term plan than I ever was in Jose's, and to a lesser extent LvG's. I'm more than willing to see us fall out of the top 4 or 6 for a season or two if it means the kids are given a chance to develop.
All many of you have done is just mindlessly criticise, and after a while it just gets boring.
I pretty much said what was going to happen and it happened. The “long term plan” is bollocks. It’s built on pure fantasy.
I don't like the football we're playing because the players aren't good enough to implement it. Pereira and Mata are basically first choice in attack, most PL teams wouldn't even want them but we're relying on them for goals.
Exactly. People now pack everything under this '5 years of just waiting' for Fergie to produce when at the time everyone could see there was a constant improvement in team's play in the first 18 months. And as you say even in that bad season before the Cups came it was matter of inconsistency.
The 2 scenario's aren't simillar at all, yet somehow people manage to put them together just to justify giving Ole more time. Am all for giving time, but there has to be some improvement behind it.
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Yes now!! Now they have Messi and the genius that was Ronaldinho. Where wasn’t all this Philosophy when they was piss poor under LVG the second time around. When they had got get rid of Bobby? We are re-writing history. Barcelona had a bid accepted for David Beckham and he turned them Down!!!!!!
Yes turned them down. Simple reason they was crap. No stop re-writing history people.
We've been to games,we've spent on merchandise, we've spent on season tickets, we've spent on mutv live. Since we don't do it now, because of various reasons - does that mean we shouldn't give a feck?
How is that long term plan going btw? Still going to come good?
You clearly don’t have a clue. Now your just dodging. Have you even heard of Johan Cryuff? Can you name a Barcelona team before 2006?
So explain to me the United way and we can digest if it’s Fergie’s way or managers before him?
You're turning philosophy into results. That's not what he said. We're talking what Barca want out of their managers. LVG the 2nd time around still fit what they're about, he just wasn't successful. And how does Beckham not fit Barca btw? He was a really good passer. That's irrelevant though because it's all about how the manager fits the player into his side. Just look at Pedro.
In the case of United, the only thing resembling a philosophy the club wants to stick by is integrating youth. Busby and Fergie both said that they wanted attacking football to entertain the fans, but clearly it's not a priority given that we've hired Moyes, and Mourinho.
What are they failing at? With Pep, in his first few games you could see what his players were failing at. They were giving away cheap goals from trying to play out the back. What is it about our players that they're failing at?
That vid deserves it's own thread!
Okay, I'm officially Ole out.
He's been here almost a year and I see no signs of coaching. Last night Rochdale moved the ball better.
He's been here almost a year and I see no signs of coaching. Last night Rochdale moved the ball better.
Okay so back to Solskjaer. What is our philosophy? It’s a long term project. What are we building exactly. You told me LVG played the Barcelona way.. so why did he get sacked? They replaced him with Rijkaard who plays completely different to LVG than to Pep. They had a board meeting thinking signing Ballack was a great idea. The point on Beckham wasn’t what I was making but to bring it to your point he’s not a Barcelona player of today.. Pedro is nowhere near the same player as Becks.
Sure they need ultra quality to look decent at home vs freaking Rochdale. I cant believe that people still drum about quality of our players, when none we bought is improved in last 6 years, sometimes i wonder do people even watch our what ever the feck is on the pitch, football aint, thats for sure.
Crazy shit, he isnt the only one.
Yet he decides to spend all his transfer budget on defense.
Exactly. Still coming up with excuses when we cant even beat a league one side at home.
In the sense that for now giving Ole is our best bet. Who would we want and is available?
Pochetino, should've been the name imo last season, but until he's done with Spurs all we can do is support OGS and see what he can achieve.
Either the team doesn't want to play for him or he cannot actually coach a team. Or both. I can't see another explanation.
Looking increasingly obvious that Ole is not the answer.
But how long can we keep doing this? Bouncing from manager to manager with no clear plans.
But how long can we keep doing this? Bouncing from manager to manager with no clear plans.
The board wouldn't know a good plan from a bad one anyway.
I don't think he is right about AWB and Maguire, but the parts about Matic, Lukaku and Fellaini, people wont like.
What is this talk about manager needing 3 seasons to implement his ideas? Rubbish.
Any decent manager will be able to implement his ideas immediately. It may not be successful because he doesn't have the players for it to be successful but his ideas can be implemented if he has any ideas.
Ole is still playing the 1999 game in 2019. He is not going to get success in this way.
Since he doesn't have the option of getting new players till January he needs to change the way we play so that at least we keep winning games against smaller clubs.
The biggest problem is as many have said is that our coaching has been terrible. Our set pieces are the worst in the PL. Tactics of a Sunday pub team.
Someone said Pep could not coach a Sunday pub team. Yes he will. It will look like a pep team. And will beat other pub teams.
Any decent manager will be able to implement his ideas immediately. It may not be successful because he doesn't have the players for it to be successful but his ideas can be implemented if he has any ideas.
Ole is still playing the 1999 game in 2019. He is not going to get success in this way.
Since he doesn't have the option of getting new players till January he needs to change the way we play so that at least we keep winning games against smaller clubs.
The biggest problem is as many have said is that our coaching has been terrible. Our set pieces are the worst in the PL. Tactics of a Sunday pub team.
Someone said Pep could not coach a Sunday pub team. Yes he will. It will look like a pep team. And will beat other pub teams.
We didn’t improve our defense by signing Maguire and AWB? This guy is off his meds.
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